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MagicBoots
Mar 29, 2010

How about we pump the atmosphere full of methane?
You put me on Cargo handling optimization?! I am the premier defense specialist in the entirety of the UN!
Don't you dare pull my funding!
You can't cut back on funding!
You will regret this!

Philosopher King posted:

I think I must have missed something, it went from saving the senator, to having the bear ride a mech kicking her rear end because what she did caused a plane to blow up? Or was the plane going to blow up always and she was mad that he didn't tell her it was going to happen?

They didn't cause it. More specifically:

When Matsumoto showed her some images from future news articles she noticed that one of the articles was about a plane going down. It's unrelated to their actions but Vivy clearly wanted to try and stop it, Matsumoto would not let her because it is outside the mission, no messing with the future unless Matsumoto says so.

MagicBoots fucked around with this message at 00:58 on May 4, 2021

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Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

MagicBoots posted:

They didn't cause it. More specifically:

When Matsumoto showed her some images from future news articles she noticed that one of the articles was about a plane going down. It's unrelated to their actions but Vivy clearly wanted to try and stop it, Matsumoto would not let her because it is outside the mission, no messing with the future unless Matsumoto says so.

Specifically Vivy wanted to stop it because Momoka, her friend/first fan was on that plane, and Momoka's older sister would turn up again in the Sunrise incident.

WrightOfWay
Jul 24, 2010




Raenir Salazar posted:

Specifically Vivy wanted to stop it because Momoka, her friend/first fan was on that plane, and Momoka's older sister would turn up again in the Sunrise incident.

Younger sister, but yeah.

Tanon
Mar 13, 2011

I has a hat..


I've had Grace's a-capella version of Sing My Pleasure stuck in my head since Saturday. It is really beautiful and haunting. Like, the song was always a bop in the openings and such, but it's taking on so much more meaning.

grate deceiver
Jul 10, 2009


I'm viving with this show a lot

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.


This is an exceedingly good show

Pyronic
Oct 1, 2008

ROYAL RAINWHARRGARBL


how many episodes of this are we getting?

Tales of Woe
Dec 17, 2004



it's listed as a 13 episode show

Brutal Garcon
Nov 2, 2014



Kaiser Mazoku
Mar 24, 2011

Didn't you see it!? Couldn't you see my "spirit"!?

ahhh i love confident Vivy so much

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

AAARGH HOW IS IT SO GOOD.

Kaiser Mazoku posted:

ahhh i love confident Vivy so much

drat right. "Now watch and learn." Holy poo poo.

I kinda miss her old personality but her new personality is a good evolution on her old one; it's interesting to me that Matsumoto is being totally a tsundere as well; he's trying to hide it but I think he legitimately in his own way wanted to keep Diva happy and out of the situation but she forced his non-existing hands.

I like how much the old Vivy still shines through to current Diva, like her attempts to catch hold onto Matsumoto and some other mannerisms. I think what we're seeing is basically the idea of Diva and Vivy as two separate personalities that diverged as a result of the contradictions of her mission and desires and this next arc is going to be about reintegrating them back together to resolving how to square the morality circle.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.


I dislike how little actually happened here, tbh.

A lot of the show's appeal to me was in avoiding this kind of downtime stuff, doing character advancement alongside and through the action and investigation portions of the show instead of segmenting it off. We got 5 episodes straight where the plot occurred alongside characterization, and, uh...there wasn't much of a plot to this one.

Spending multiple episodes retreading the same ground of the first episode through an amnesia storyline doesn't sound very appealing.

Jen X fucked around with this message at 21:17 on May 8, 2021

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

Disagree, maintaining the pacing curve is important!



I think this is a good time to take a breather, a lot was conveyed to the audience this episode; what is lacked in "plot" it contributed vastly in setup and characterization!

They're not retreading old ground, call backs aren't retreading, there's probably a reason why someone who looks like the Toak dude's younger self (his son? A mystery!) is wandering around and is seemingly trying to get Vivy killed. Vivy/Diva got very quickly on board with Matsumoto's mission, much faster than her previous self, like someone putting on a comfortable old coat that still fits or riding a bicycle. You never forget how.

Raenir Salazar fucked around with this message at 21:44 on May 8, 2021

ChubbyThePhat
Dec 22, 2006

Who nico nico needs anyone else


Raenir Salazar posted:

I kinda miss her old personality but her new personality is a good evolution on her old one; it's interesting to me that Matsumoto is being totally a tsundere as well; he's trying to hide it but I think he legitimately in his own way wanted to keep Diva happy and out of the situation but she forced his non-existing hands.

I like how much the old Vivy still shines through to current Diva, like her attempts to catch hold onto Matsumoto and some other mannerisms. I think what we're seeing is basically the idea of Diva and Vivy as two separate personalities that diverged as a result of the contradictions of her mission and desires and this next arc is going to be about reintegrating them back together to resolving how to square the morality circle.


This is also the vibe I get from this. It follows along with my previous assumptions and guesses so I'm not immune to bias, but it certainly feels like this is the direction it's going.

With how little we know of what causes the suicide, I immediately get the feeling that this is the same sort of deal as the Sunrise. What was officially reported is not at all what was actually going on and next episode will be unraveling that while Diva potentially hits some critical mass of memory where Vivy comes much more forward towards the end.

Tanon
Mar 13, 2011

I has a hat..


It makes me wonder if she did the memory wipe on herself, Matsumoto did, or if someone found her there catatonic and they did it to her externally. That could have some potential ramifications as well. I think the thing I like the most about Popstar Diva is that you can truly see what the experiences from being Vivy truly did to her core persona, even after she wiped herself of the memories of the events that happened. Who she is, at her core, changed; which is why she's able to touch the hearts of the people so much more so than she ever did in the original timeline. I think that may be the endgame now more than anything; Matsumoto went back in time to prevent specific events from occurring to stop the AI-pocalypse; but what actually stops it is giving Vivy the opportunity to grow and adapt and become a PERSON, instead of just an AI; and be that bridge between the two (which she mentioned in this episode, in fact)

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

Guys, we're missing the most important fact though; Diva is tall.

Nitrousoxide
May 30, 2011

do not buy a oneplus phone





Jen X posted:

I dislike how little actually happened here, tbh.

A lot of the show's appeal to me was in avoiding this kind of downtime stuff, doing character advancement alongside and through the action and investigation portions of the show instead of segmenting it off. We got 5 episodes straight where the plot occurred alongside characterization, and, uh...there wasn't much of a plot to this one.

Spending multiple episodes retreading the same ground of the first episode through an amnesia storyline doesn't sound very appealing.


??

Every single arc so far has been:
Episode one, setup the situation
Episode two, resolve the situation.

The overall format for this one is no different than the orbital hotel pair of episodes.

Tales of Woe
Dec 17, 2004



i'm kinda expecting this one to break that rhythm for effect now that we've had 3 'successful' loops

Raenir Salazar
Nov 5, 2010

No way...


College Slice

Tales of Woe posted:

i'm kinda expecting this one to break that rhythm for effect now that we've had 3 'successful' loops

Hrrrm. Every arc (loop doesn't quite make sense as the time travel isn't per arc but for the series as a whole) has been throwing us small curveballs (which have been building up like ripples in a pond), like "resolve" is definitely technically correct like a robot sort of way of describing it. I wouldn't put each arc as being successfully resolved as completely as the first one. The second one failed to prevent the crash, but did manage to succeed in keeping the reputation of AI's from taking a crippling blow; the third arc resulted in what is arguably an unacceptable consequence from Diva's perspective.

I wholely expect this arc to continue to up the stakes in delightful ways, its why we get this nice breather episode because the rollercoast is about to make us lose our lunch again!

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Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.


Nitrousoxide posted:

??

Every single arc so far has been:
Episode one, setup the situation
Episode two, resolve the situation.

The overall format for this one is no different than the orbital hotel pair of episodes.

No? The past 2 arcs have started with Diva doing random idol stuff for like 2 minutes, Matsumoto showing up, then an investigation for the rest of the episode leading into the action, then the action payoff episode.

This one was 20 minutes of Diva doing idol stuff/re-introducting herself to Matsumoto and 2 minutes of, after a very brief statement of goals for the arc, not even starting to investigate/prepare to resolve the situation.

I enjoyed the lack of downtime compared to investigation/exploration of the scenario, and would have preferred that the characterization in this episode have occurred in the context of the series plot/specific scenario, and not the relatively uninspired idol downtime slice-of-life stuff.


Idk, it'll hopefully end up being fine, but this episode was a lot less interesting than the prior two investigation/setup ones.

Jen X fucked around with this message at 02:48 on May 9, 2021

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