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Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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sad question posted:

I liked it when Chief staged a strike because children workers kept getting stuck in the machine gears and Adama responded by threatening to airlock his cabbage smelling wife. But it's okay because at the end Roslin tells hims that his feedback is appreciated and she will get back to him as soon as possible.

I imagine kids were getting ground into paste until the last episode.

This is ultimately why the mutiny was justified

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Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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DrBouvenstein posted:

Meanwhile the Battlestar Galactica universe equivalent of Bezos, Gates, and Musk are living in luxury on what is essentially a 3 year long vacation on the cruise liner ship.

Any version of the show that tackles this issue appropriately is a version of the show that gets canceled almost immediately I'm sure

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Arcsquad12 posted:

Or it would be the shortest show ever once the Galactica turns its guns on the fleet to quell a civilian uprising and then gets jumped by five basestars and destroyed.

iirc this isn't too far off from the original plan for the finale before the writer's strike, that the mutiny would succeed but most of the fleet would end up getting destroyed.

my point was that the show was for all it's excellent parts, was politically still basic liberal trash; the colonials couldn't keep their civilization and died in agony because they couldn't see any way other than the status quo bullshit was see in real life. Had they accepted fully automated luxury gay space communism into their hearts they could have teamed up with the rebel cylons and made Earth 2 into a paradise from their cool new city but instead they all wandered into the woods and shat themselves to death/got mauled by mammoths etc.

honestly Im very tired and I don't think bsg was as smartly written as it came across sometimes

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Eh, Helo was such a dorky character that should have died a thousand times over in that universe I don't think even a more seasoned actor could have convincingly done much more with him. I don't think there were any particularly bad actors in the show.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I lold pretty hard when the captain of their air wing turned out to be the guy from first wave

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Tom Zarek was right to massacre the quorum of assholes

Tom Zarek was cool and good but you never noticed because he doesn't get a neat theme song like the main characters

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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That episode made me hate bill Adama and his dumbass girlfriend

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Lol bullshit he was going to space her if he couldnt get fuel for his fighter planes, that was literally the justification he gave

He let tyrol get away with something else I can't quite remember back in season 1 for the same reason, he needed his deck Chief to keep his planes flying

I like BSG but it's lib-brained as gently caress

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Sanguinia posted:

No, what he did was not allow an enlisted military personelle to go on strike when their method of strike was taking upon themselves the right to dictate what is and is not an essential mission on a warship. I'm not an expert on military law or anything but I feel like they're normally not legally allowed to do that. Strikes do have legal limitations, they always have.

Granted, summary execution isn't exactly a method I approve of in handling that issue, but that's another discussion. Especially because the first thing Adama did after Tyrol lied to Calli and said the Admiral caved to their demands was... take Tyrol to the President so he could issue his demands to her directly. Like, he didn't make him get on the phone to the Tillium Ship and get them back to work to, he took him strait to the head of the government. Adama didn't bust the entire strike, just the part of it that was an immediate threat to military operations. In fact, from his demeanor through most of the episode I took him to be pretty shocked at how Roslin was handling the entire affair, and therefore tacitly on the worker's side. But maybe that was me reading too much into it.

Roslin is absolutely an uncaring monster in this episode, which is par for the course for her in the second half of the show sadly. What the heck happened with her writing?

Lol what flavor do those boots come in, boss? Mmm nummy!

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Adama dies alone on the cliff because an old man can't build a house by himself

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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They should have just had some humans gently caress off into space with the centurions aboard their basestar

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I hate Lee Adama so much, I wish Helo had capped his rear end in like season 3 or something

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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sean10mm posted:

The West Wing was just TNG on the ground.

This is really unfair to TNG, The West Wing was a terrible show for awful people

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Scar is a terrible intro because Starbuck sucks too much in that one

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Mister Speaker posted:

Still funny that they sent the whole fleet "straight into the Sun" though, except, conveniently, for at least one raptor for the admiral. Wonder where that's buried

Drunk Lee chasing a bird around his house will never not be funny.

I love that for all their bullshit about Starbuck being the chosen one leading them to their end it was ultimately Lee who was responsible for the final destruction of human civilization and culture

Because of that idiot it took us 10,000 years to redevelop the electric guitar solo. History's greatest crime imo

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Mister Speaker posted:

EDIT: The one where Chief becomes some socialist icon on the factory ship (and even says something like "we have to throw our bodies on the gears") was pretty bad, but it has one of the best songs in the soundtrack.

I hate that episode but I'm also grateful to have seen it when I was young and forming so that I could learn and understand why Chief was right and he should have led the mutiny

I read somewhere the soundtrack for that ep was an homage to Shirley Walker's score for that ep of Batman TAS where he loses his memory and ends up in a mine somewhere

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Falathrim posted:

Tom Zarek was right.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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All they needed was a throwaway line saying some of the humans decided to go with the centurions on their basestar during the finale.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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BSG was an incredible ride as it was airing right through the New Caprica rescue, but it really starts falling apart quickly after that. I feel like the rest of the genre learned all the wrong lessons from BSG's success, despite the show's high points too much of it doesn't hold up when I'm watching it now

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Mister Speaker posted:

The Earth/Starbuck reveal at the end of S3 is still one of the most epic TV moments I can remember, even if you saw it coming a mile away (yeah right, they're gonna kill off Starbuck four episodes from the season finale, OK :jerkbag:). My roommate and I were jumping up and down on the couch yelling at the TV.

Yeah I was melting the gently caress down at the reveal of the song/cliffhanger, pointing at the screen and going YOOOOO and none of my idiot friends at the time got it because they didn't know anything about music

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I bet I could take Lee Adama in a fight. Like, normal Lee Adama. Fat Lee would kick my rear end

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Narcho was always the dude from first wave to me

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I thought it was hilarious at the time that they made a point of saying that Pegasus could produce entirely new Vipers to avoid the whole "where is Voyager getting it's shuttles from" thing

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Boris Galerkin posted:

Oh and the whole slave labor thing lol. Love how it’s not ok for the poors to choose their own jobs, but people like Lee and Adama and other fleet officers can decide to gently caress off and retire their position whenever they want.

I’m so glad we didn’t see the poor guy get his hand ripped off and/or maimed from trying to fix the machine that was stuck.

Adama was a pretty big rear end in a top hat during this too threatening to shoot up Cally. The only reason he gets a pass for that I guess is because Cally is military and he has the actual jurisdiction to execute soldiers, maybe. Roslin and Adama definitely had no right to force civilians to work.

Tyrol should have led the mutiny as a workers' uprising to prevent the Adama dynasty from leading their civilization to it's end

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

Roslin is one of the reasons I'm on Team Cylon. She's one of the most unlikeable humans, which is saying something because most of them (aside from Tyrol and Baltar, imho) I dislike.

The original BSG seems to have more relatable characters.

I couldn't relate to new BSG characters because they all turned out to be a bunch of jerks by the end. I couldn't relate to old BSG characters because they're a bunch of weird space Mormons

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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F_Shit_Fitzgerald posted:

We never get to see how Cottle reacts to the idea of abandoning his relatively advanced medicine for....whatever Lee had in mind, but I can't imagine he was happy about it. I like to think that he kept his medical tech and refused to live like a caveman, but the way they were talking about it aboard Galactica made it seem like everyone just agreed to Lee's plan without much fuss (which seems improbable).

I'd like to think there were a group of Colonials that networked whatever Raptors they had with them into a little settlement until they died out because Lee's plan was loving terrible

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Boris Galerkin posted:

There was no reason they didn't stay on the algae planet lol. The show didn't even entertain the idea of staying there.

I guess all the scenes on the planet depicted it was a hot hellworld because of how much sweat there was but they could have settled more towards the poles.

I think the big reason why they settled New Caprica is because the nebula was supposed to hide them from the Cylons

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Falathrim posted:

Tom Zarek was right.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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He was also Nightscream in Beast Machines, for the other 5 people who care to remember that cartoon

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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BSG vs Beast Wars crossover: Galen Tyrol battles Waspinator for control of Scotland, Tyrol eventually triumphs and blasts Waspinator back into space

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I think it had to do with regulations saying kids shows couldn't have the word "War" in the title IIRC

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Pretty sure the same guy that did the music for beast wars and reboot did the incidental music for Friends

Everything is connected somehow

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Be warned that ReBoot's final season ends on an unresolved cliffhanger, but there are 4K upscales of all these shows on youtube that are worth checking out.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Mister Speaker posted:

I never finished ReBoot either. Not even sure I watched much after the X-Files episode, which I thought was a season finale but apparently was not? The 'web' opened up at the end and I thought that was when Bob disappeared and the focus of the show turned to Enzo literally 'surfing the web', or having a pirate ship or something. The show got really weird when Enzo aged and got buff.

whaaat, OK definitely gonna get back into it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOM1LHra5pk

If you forgot what happened on ReBoot after Enzo got old and buff then definitely watch it again.

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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Space: Above and Beyond is only one season but worth checking out if you liked BSG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBaQFafK3ZU

And here's an AI upscale of the series

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLMD9ghErEvtxvdsWQIoWqN2kPbl6nLKv2

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I have never seen swordfish. I have seen hackers though, and I do agree that nudity is excellent

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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At least he never called anyone Coral

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I would argue that some of the shaky camera in the later seasons seriously dates the show at this point; there were parts where it looked like the camera operator was having some kind of a seizure

Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Kx2-n8x3i8

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Tighclops
Jan 23, 2008

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I like to think that a huge chunk of the humans decided to stick with the centurions on their base star and the people we see wandering off into a field to die of dysentery on Earth at the end were the idiots that learned nothing from their experiences

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