QuarkJets posted:

Meanwhile Fox loving News is running this headline



We are so hosed, like as a country

Zwabu posted:

If four teachers drop dead in a single day in a single county, one that's trying to implement protective measures and being blocked in an active and hostile way by their governor, that's newsworthy, and people SHOULD be afraid.

Edit: Also one should note that this sort of headline is a staple of Fox News' site now - a headline noting someone else's editorial opinion. It's another way of "newsifying" opinion and amplifying it. Fox isn't themselves leveling the fear porn charge, just noting that "a lot of people are saying" it, or "this guy over here" is saying it (who happens to be Tucker Carlson, or some random right wing radio guy in bumfuck Alabama).

QuarkJets posted:

My SO and I are officially planning to end our daycare arrangements at the end of this week. If the exponential growth in positive cases continues, which we expect it will, then that's the point where we expect the risk to be too high. That's also right before schools open here. This is in a high vaccination area with very few hospitalizations, but delta is impacting kids more than the original strain did, and our kids are too young to get vaccinated.

It's like we're going back to March of 2020 all over again. Words cannot express how angry I feel toward all of the antivaxxers who helped put the world in this state

Zugzwang posted:

Says who?

Zugzwang posted:

Notttt really. Long Covid is much more likely than the majority of risks we tolerate for children. And “all the research” wasn’t done factoring in the delta variant, which is both massively more infectious than prior strains and appears to be worse for kids.

People pushing “kids are fine, actually!” narratives tend to gently caress up things like infection vs case fatality rate (because science journalism in general is dreadful), or they’re despicable hacks like Emily Oster who both have no expertise in the subject matter AND are funded by far-right billionaires (her Covid info project is funded by the Koch brothers and Peter Thiel, lol).

And yeah, there’s lots of benefits to education and socialization. Unfortunately, the powers that be don’t seem to care about ensuring that children can get these benefits in a safe way, or at least an as-safe-as-possible way.

Zugzwang posted:

There are numerous people in this thread/the forums who have debilitating long covid, months to a year+ after getting infected.

The articles you linked all do not factor in delta. This is something most people, including the CDC (albeit for gross incompetence/political reasons in the latter case), are still denialists about. Over the course of wild type -> alpha -> delta, Covid went from “really contagious” to “really really contagious” to “transmissible outdoors through not especially long interactions.” Was the research you’re looking at done in the US pre-June or so? Then it’s dubious now.

I mean geez, how can you post articles saying “schools are safe” when there are innumerable reports already of school districts that have to close after just days of going Open Biden because a gazillion kids/staff are popping fevers and testing positive? Meanwhile the hospitals are filling up, and the people getting sick won’t be able to get beds. Good times!

I couldn’t help myself

Fluffy Bunnies posted:

What the absolute gently caress is with you people and screaming "KIDS GOTTA GO SCHOOL KIDS GOTTA GO DO EXTRA CURRICULARS. THEIR LIIIVVESSSS" while WE'RE LITERALLY WORRIED ABOUT THEM LOSING THEIR LIVES if they do these things. Their ACTUAL lives, not social poo poo that they primarily do online anyway these days.

Kids can get educated at home for a very large majority. Kids can socialize carefully in friend groups that keep track of covid status and do proper things to remain safe.

Like I keep running into people like your rear end and I don't loving get it. Kids are DYING. Who gives a flying gently caress about their history grade when they're laying in an ICU bed with a tube down their throat? Y'all are like "oh but long-term-" until it comes to the kids' health then you're like "NAW GOTTA OPEN THIS poo poo UP RIGHT NOW" like there's no other option.

"Oh but they might have to repeat a grade" yeah but at least they're alive to do it.

Duck and Cover posted:

I think we should just keep saying it's not acceptable instead of putting resources into making it acceptable. You know what's worse then maybe having a less then ideal education? Dying. Dying is worse. I'm not sure why people seem to struggle with this concept so much.

QuarkJets posted:

My post was about my situation and how my SO and I have come to the decision to pull our very young children out of daycare, and you kramered into the thread to be like "Well actually the risks are overblown and the damage to their social development if you pull them out will be super bad". Your post there was clearly not about lack of parental resources, you were trying to persuade me to discard plans that I had already made. So while I can see why you would pivot to try and bring in the resource problem in this newer post, I hope everyone already understood that it was not relevant to your original thesis

I believe that you are underestimating the risk, because while according to the CDC there tend to be around 58k child under 5 hospitalized per year related to RSV, we're already on track to blow way past that number this year with the delta variant. That's not covid-19 in lieu of RSV, it's on top of it, and as a complication to it. It’s pretty hard to gain the benefits of school when you're in the ICU. Trying to use "risk exists" as a strawman argument here just makes you look ignorant. It would be one thing if we were actually talking about incredibly improbable events, but pediatric experts are at this very moment sounding the alarm: we need to take covid-19 seriously because it poses a significant risk. They're talking about mask mandates at minimum, and since our 1 year old can't be counted on to wear a mask that means we are pulling him out of daycare to keep him safe.

DickParasite posted:

This reminds me of last year when "they" were warning about the explosion of suicides that would happen due to lockdown which never came to pass because it turns out "they" only pretended to care about mental health because it was good for the bottom line.

DickParasite posted:

The increase in kids on ventilators is real too.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I just saw on my local news that 1 in 5 cases are now children. I didn't hear the age range.

Is this true? I can't find info on a quick google search and I'm lazy.

A Strange Aeon posted:

I must have missed the backlash against virtual school, is all this stubborn stupidity about having classes in person without the barest minimum of protection just to prove we've beaten the virus or something?

For all remote learning's flaws, which months could have been spent correcting, surely it's better than children catching the virus, right?

QuarkJets posted:

Remote learning or death, hmm this is such a difficult choice

Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:

Could've done some hybrid learning, or opening schools twice a week to reduce travel, or allowing a smaller amounts of kids into a class, open air classrooms only, or a mix of all these, etc etc etc

But no, let's throw children into the grinder, see what happens in 10 years!

Dren posted:

what if we waited to send kids back at least until they could be vaccinated which seems like it's going to be some time this fall

then what if we also didn't drop NPIs in schools until vaccines can be made mandatory for schoolchildren

i'm sure homeschooling makes kids weird and boy this has all been unpleasant but we are feeding children to covid when the finish line is just around the corner

gohuskies posted:

Actual school districts? One example https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/education/article253753958.html but tons of schools and school districts are already having to close as COVID outbreaks hit them. Schools open, COVID hits them, they have to close back down to quarantine and stop the outbreak. Then they can reopen and the cycle continues.

gohuskies posted:

If temporary closures are all but guaranteed, maybe don't open in the first place.

Remote learning is certainly seriously flawed but it's better than an on-again off-again system that's completely unpredictable week to week and also oh yeah gets a bunch of kids sick along the way.

ben shapino posted:

is this a bit?

ben shapino posted:

ok but trying to infer anything from any of this is just as clueless as the rest of us let's be real here

hell, some of us act like covid being bad is some kind of foregone conclusion and i'm just not convinced

QuarkJets posted:

The broader scientific community is already aware that pediatric hospitalizations are way up right now due to covid-19, don't try to project your ignorance onto others

Zugzwang posted:

Please cite some sources if you’re going to keep saying poo poo like this. You’re being insufferable

QuarkJets posted:

The mainstream science says that putting kids in close quarters and no masks is what has led to a significant increase in pediatric hospitalizations. I mean, maybe the big increase is a mystery to you, but it isn't to the rest of us

ben shapino posted:

close the schools

QuarkJets posted:

Schools are literally closing when they have too few healthy staff, maybe instead of letting things get to that point we should close schools that can't offer even a modicum of safety to their staff and students.

If a school had to close because bears kept mauling staff and students you would normally keep the school closed until the bear attack problem could be addressed, but the right insists that those measures are an attack on their liberties worthy of a violent response and cannot even acknowledge that the bear attacks are a problem

ben shapino posted:

close the schools

ben shapino posted:

close the schools. many people have been saying this. unless you hate your kids and want them to die.

ben shapino posted:

Every single chart shows the numbers are getting worse and always worse than projected. Let's keep doing what we're doing. I hate my kids and I hope they die.

Cowcaster posted:

Unlucky7 posted:

I know I shouldn't engage but...

What studies? Name one.

ben shapino posted:

hmmm maybe they should just close the schools

pacerhimself posted:

I dunno, letting students die from preventable diseases seems like the opposite of normal???

ben shapino posted:

RSV doesn't risk filling up your ICUs and burning out your healthcare workforce. only a gigantic dipshit would think that's a good comparison. close the schools.

QuarkJets posted:

lol that's not even a little bit accurate, please stop making GBS threads on my profession with your lovely opinions

A Fancy Hat posted:

Realistically, how do you keep schools open right now when:

1) The majority of kids cannot be vaccinated
2) You have multiple school districts refusing to institute mask mandates for fear of parent backlash
3) Kids are still mingling with other family members outside of school, who may or may not be vaccinated or taking any precautions at all

It's easy to say it's bad but what is the alternative here.

Scarodactyl posted:

SA mods have gotten weirdly timid. I can't imagine looking at such obvious trolling and thinking a couple probes are sufficient instead of a threadban.

mom and dad fight a lot posted:

Oh good lord. You have absolutely ignored contrary evidence to your idiotic interpretation and just regurgitate the same bullshit over and over. Get hosed.

Duck and Cover posted:

That's an excellent point you're very smart and wise and a super good parent. It's a healthy cough, expels the demons.

ben shapino posted:

yeah, there's no way to work at a mine remotely, but that's not true for schools. very poor comparison indeed.

Cowcaster posted:

https://www.wkrg.com/health/coronavirus/fact-or-fiction-covid-doesnt-impact-children-alabama-pediatrician-sets-record-straight/