Dacap posted:

Dacap posted:

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Trollologist posted:

Can you do something for me real quck? Just, super quick here, SHUT YOUR loving IDIOT MOUTH. OK, great. thanks.

Since it's painfully clear that you can't read, or don't want to, or whatever let me go ahead and just chunk out a quick number here: 7
That's how many years DOA has been operating without me in it. And, by this ignorant rear end statement that I have to address because you clearly have some kind of learning deficiency, I'm going to guess that you assume that in the entire 7 years of operation they've never once put up flyers?! They do, They do alot. And this is all they have to show for it in almost a decade: 1500FB likes and average big show attendance of around: 200. SO CLEARLY THE FLYERS DON'T loving WORK THAT WELL DO THEY?!?!?!?! BECAUSE IF THEY DID THERE WOULD BE DEMONSTRABLE GROWTH OVER THAT PERIOD OF TIME INSTEAD OF YEAR AFTER YEAR OF FISCAL LOSS YOU SIMPLETON?!

DJExile posted:

Raeg posted:

What was the deal with that guy who had a complete meltdown?

You know the one.

That guy!

Sramaker posted:

I request to being banned please, i don't have to deal with people who got fooled by the media.

There's no problem with the gaming industry and related stuff? Fools.

I hate SA and wish i never wasted money to join a bunch of people like, i'm not replying to anything anymore.

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

Chris James 2 posted:

DJExile posted:

quote:

Welp. here I go.

1) Why our location is in the sticks and terrible
After 7 years of constantly losing money, the owners have basically given up. and I don't blame them. Earlier this year, the two wrestlers responsible for doing the booking/creative left for about 6 months to wrestle in paraguay and during that time, DOA basically shut down. So, when they came back, with no one looking for or setting up new venues or maintaining contacts or doing anything really, the only option was to partner with a local fad called "BCW" which, everyone says is far worse. The partnership went sour vary fast so they chose to hold shows in their school space out in the sticks.

Furthermore, It is prohibitively expensive to run a wrestling event in Portland, since as far as I know we have the most expensive tickets in town with a wallet-crushing $10/ea. Even then, finding a venue that even has a chance of being affordable in Portland is a huge bitch (not that I haven't been making tons of calls about it) it's SO expensive to do something this cheap here that my rental rates come close to 60% of my maximum gate and I'm trying to get that number closer to 30% the thing that gets me is that every other live event type in portland can get away charging $15, $20, $35 a ticket. but if you charge that for Pro-Wrestling no one is going to pay. So, those are some challenges that need to be overcome.

2) The rough numbers on that promotion I spoke so derisively about
Some things I feel that it is important to remember about these guys: They're losing money hand over fist, and in 10 years of operation this is as big as they've ever gotten. They're selling tickets at buy 1 get 1 half off so the average ticket cost comes out to around $7.50. Also, they pay for their time slot and only charge around $40 a commercial. I can't imagine they're making a ton on that.
Now, I like a lot of the talent they have, but the booking is just abysmal. I mean, I can't think of any other reason why they're not growing and haven't been in years (P.S. they put up flyers)

In any industry it's important to know about your competition because if they are failing you need to find out why and see if you can capitalize on that to pick up the customers they are losing. And if they're succeeding, then you need to figure out what is working and how you can become a part of that success (the, "every fast food company that isn't mcdonalds" plan)

3) what happened in that conversation with said promotion about narrative (i.e. how I think things should be booked)
It was just basic stuff. at the time, they were just booking exhibitions with heels winning clean and what they liked to call "gently caress finishes", some theatricality, and random matches with practically no build. They were (and still are to my knowledge) shooting 4 HOURS of wrestling in one go, to be aired 1 hr at a time on TV.

So, I told them that you needed to write a story arch that started in the 1st show taped and ended in the last show taped. try to include some reference to it or build in each show, so that every episode someone had a reason to tune in next week, and the people at the taping had a reason to stay until the end (they lose about half their crowd during a taping). For me, it was as simple as this: You want to have a tag title match? fine. (for this booking purpose, the protagonists are the new guys)
show 1: Establish new tag team: announce a #1 contenders match for tag title next week, heel tag team answers call to action. 1 face come out, says he has a mystery partner, will have tag match next week.
show 2: Show new team as credible threat: Face comes out, introduces mystery partner (2nd face, ex tag champion), #1 contenders match, Faces win clean. Announce tag title match in "2 weeks"
show 3: Build Odds: Hold singles match with 1 face from face team and 1 heel from heel team only, surprise! heel team beats the poo poo out of face guy, face partner comes in for save, also gets his rear end smashed. singles Match cancelled, tag champ match reminded for "next week"
show 4: Triumph: Faces win clean, audience cheers

It's basic story telling, very low exposition, and gives people a reason to stick around / tune in. I also explained the concept of the hero's journey which is like, a core staple of narrative structure. hope they're still using that.

4) the 80's
Here's some things we didn't have in the 80's: Streaming media, smartphones, the UFC, "Shoot" Interviews as a thing for the general populace, the Internet wrestling communities, beyond the mat, the Internet, weekly primetime wrestling television, Basic Cable as a widely available viewing option.

What I'm saying is you can't site something that was successful 30 years ago as a business model for success today when literally everything else about the landscape of how business is done and how people interact with and consume media has completely changed.

5) why wrestling needs to innovate
It's dying.

The first and biggest point is that the WWE is bleeding. But unlike every other industry no other competitors are rising up to catch the fallout. TNA, ROH, LU, and every other tiny indy aren't catching the almost a million cable viewers that raw has lost from 2014-2015. There isn't a wrestling show out there to capitalize on all the wrestling fans that aren't watching WWE anymore. ex-wwe fans are just becoming ex-wrestling fans. I mean during the monday night wars Wresting had an averages rating of let's say 8.0. Now, Raw is lucky if they can draw 3 or 4.
Where did all those other viewers go? What are they watching now? it's not wrestling.

WWE aside, as you guys have been ever so helpful to point out: Every other American promotion is lucky if they can break even. because most of them are losing piles and piles of money. And that, is VERY telling. The state of the industry when no one is making any money. Look, I'm not saying the way I think it should innovate is the right path, but someone needs to, because wrestling is dying.

6) what I meant about wanting to be ECW knowing full well their history of financial ruin
It's no secret that ECW never made any money. But what they did do was create a fanbase so rabid that to this day, people are still cashing in on it. Thanks to ECW a bunch of what would have otherwise been nobodies got full fledged life long careers. ECW may not have made a bunch of money while it was alive, but I guarantee it's made a poo poo-load of money for every ECW alum since. If I can make that my best case scenario, it's a drat sight better than the prospects now.


7) Why Brand Identity is important. regardless of what product you're selling

Wrestling isn't special. It's not some unique snowflake that needs to be handled every so gently or else it will melt away. it's a loving business. Like cars, or burgers, mining equipment, or tube socks. There's some core business philosophies that are just universal regardless of what kind of business you're operating. And probably the biggest of those is: What makes your business stand out from your competition? if you don't know what sets your product apart then you don't know who to sell it to or why or how. you're just blindly throwing ideas and seeing what sticks. This is a recipe for failure.

To everyone saying I'm not big enough to try something new: that is just wrong. That mindset spits in the face of every small company that had a new idea, every guy selling shoes made with a waffle iron out of his van (nike), every small group of people selling books online out of a garage (amazon), every tiny burger shop that thinks food should be cheap, convenient, and tasty (mcdonalds), every Japanese software company that wants to risk everything they have on releasing a story-centered RPG because they were doomed if they did anything else (square-soft).
The best time to try something new is when you're small because that's when you need to stand out and be different. Otherwise you get swallowed up by your massive competition and their huge entrenched consumer-bases.

When it comes to business, try something new, or don't try at all.

Malcolm Excellent posted:

Whatever happened to Nick Lovin'?

DJExile posted:

Malcolm Excellent posted:

Whatever happened to Nick Lovin'?

JOHN CENA posted:

he got kicked in the head really hard and was later permabanned

Junpei Hyde posted:

Does anyone have the low ki getting carried out pic

Malcolm Excellent posted:

Whatever happened to Nick Lovin'?

SalTheBard posted:

I'm really sentimental for that time period because the Raw threads were like 30 pages long of people just being excited about wrestling.

My contribution to the thread was bringing a "GIF THIS J-RU" sign to Money in the Bank 2010 and then sort of getting it on camera (AND THEN J-RU DIDN'T loving GIF IT)