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congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dustcat posted:congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it thanks 
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May 16, 2021 13:31
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Dustcat posted:congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it 
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May 16, 2021 13:39
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Dustcat posted:congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it youre going to have only very small windows in which you can post for a while.....and i know youre the exact kind of psycho thats going to try to sneak a qcs thread in lol (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 16, 2021 13:41
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Dustcat posted:congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqyLJ-fWbSI
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May 16, 2021 13:45
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Raskolnikov38 posted:to be the slightest bit fair I assume their thinking was “fine if it wants to be a fyad thread it can be one” without stopping to consider how fyad might think of the subject lol
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May 16, 2021 13:54
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Dustcat posted:congrats to fyad for purging the communists. gentlemen, you have a reich... if you can keep it 
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May 16, 2021 13:54
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not gonna lie this is the only funny thing flavius has ever done
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May 16, 2021 14:42
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hahahahahahaha
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May 16, 2021 14:45
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alright comrades we have beaten the capitalist pigs and their running dogs, every nation now bows before us...oh gently caress oh poo poo it's the fyads all hope is lost flee for your lives
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May 16, 2021 14:45
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social democratic hitler is a good username
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May 16, 2021 14:48
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a Loving Dog posted:not gonna lie this is the only funny thing flavius has ever done
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May 16, 2021 14:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:social democratic hitler is a good username could make them a mod
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May 16, 2021 14:50
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Quotey posted:What is meant by scientific Marxism? The idea is interwoven with dialectics, but I struggle to articulate the relationship between without just pointing to people like Fourier and saying "he was utopian because he obviously didn't use dialectics" (because he jumped straight to what a cool socialist utopia would be like without wrestling with how to get there[1]). But "scientific" would be on the side of dialectical materialism, pragmatics, etc., all of which would be opposed to utopianism, idealism, anarchism, etc. So in a country that's obviously not on the edge of revolution, a Marxist might look at an organization trying to skip straight to revolution and say, "You're a moron. Do the work." Then again, it might mean making alliances with non-Marxist organizations or even bourgeois institutions if that's worked in the past (which, it has). Engels' Socialism: Utopian and Scientific goes into this, but I almost feel like Lenin's Left-Wing Communism might give a better sense of this "learn from the past" orientation I'm talking about. The Rev Left Radio podcast also has an episode on it. The main takeaway is whether or not Marxism can be falsified, in the exact same sense Karl Popper talks about. So e.g., if liberal democracy somehow mediates class conflict out of existence, or capitalism gets rid of imperialism or fascism without capitalism being challenged in any way, both of those would falsify some of the claims of Marxism. I guess that's sort of a more macro take on the idea, relative to the "learning from the past" idea I mentioned above, which is more micro for individual strategies/tactics. [1] this is from the last thread's discussion of dialectics: splifyphus posted:in the simplest possible terms [in dialectics]- we're including the subjective perspective on the objective in our assessment of the objective, and we're trying to do this without becoming idealists for whom everything is a subjective projection.
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May 16, 2021 15:01
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a Loving Dog posted:not gonna lie this is the only funny thing flavius has ever done
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May 16, 2021 15:15
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the great thread purge
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May 16, 2021 15:42
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mods are retarded pedophiles (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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May 16, 2021 15:42
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man gently caress you mods i made a post and it was good and now it's rotting away in fyad. quote:in the simplest possible terms - we're including the subjective perspective on the objective in our assessment of the objective, and we're trying to do this without becoming idealists for whom everything is a subjective projection. There were probably other posts in there too, lost! like tears in rain
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May 16, 2021 15:52
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scary ghost dog posted:you can reply to any of the threads that are actually in fyad instead of trying to reply to one in the fyad gas chamber. ganbare sorry that was a bad attempt at a joke fyad just isn't for me a Loving Dog posted:not gonna lie this is the only funny thing flavius has ever done yeah lol
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May 16, 2021 16:02
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so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand i feel like i'm building a very sophisticated model of how we're all going to die, instead what is to be done?
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May 16, 2021 16:21
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Brain Candy posted:so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand pessimism of the intellect, optimism of the will. the fact is, the odds are most likely against us. but that's no excuse not to try to organize and foster working class consciousness among the people you can, and win what victories are within striking distance. nobody knows what tomorrow brings, and maybe an opportunity will present itself due to historical conditions we can't forecast. doing your best with what you have now will put us in the best position to take advantage of a situation like that. and if we're on an irreversible course towards the collapse of the industrialized world and the beginning of a dark age of instability, strife, and the possible annihilation of the human race? at least you'll go down fighting, and make friends along the way.
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May 16, 2021 16:25
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I struggle with despair myself. I think for a lot of people, the demobilization of the pandemic has taken a big chunk out of our morale, because there just haven't the same (limited) opportunities for organizing that existed even 2 years prior. but, things will change, and your mood will change, if you don't allow yourself to be permanently stuck in a rut
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May 16, 2021 16:27
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Brain Candy posted:so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand well, you got anything better to do?
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May 16, 2021 16:31
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Someone made a serious reply, good. Because I can't resist just posting that Disco Elysium quote again. Brain Candy posted:i feel like i'm building a very sophisticated model of how we're all going to die, instead what is to be done? quote:0.000% of Communism has been built. Evil child-murdering billionaires still rule the world with a poo poo-eating grin. All he has managed to do is make himself *sad*. He is starting to suspect Kras Mazov *hosed him over* personally with his socio-economic theory. It has, however, made him into a very, very smart boy with something like a university degree in Truth. Instead of building Communism, he now builds a precise model of this grotesque, duplicitous world.
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May 16, 2021 16:32
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Mr. Lobe posted:I struggle with despair myself. I think for a lot of people, the demobilization of the pandemic has taken a big chunk out of our morale, because there just haven't the same (limited) opportunities for organizing that existed even 2 years prior. but, things will change, and your mood will change, if you don't allow yourself to be permanently stuck in a rut i legitimately get this and i'm trying to keep things open like you mention. it just seems like 'raising class consciousness' is a strategy from a different time that we're doing because Zodium posted:well, you got anything better to do? rather than a genuine belief in it as a strategy this isn't just whining, i think the world is meaningfully different than when those strategies originally were deployed. i'm asking more if anyone knows of poo poo that talks about what these changes mean, with the same rigor of analysis of ye olde greybeards, with the same drive towards providing a project to stave off ruin
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May 16, 2021 16:43
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You made Taintrunner your leader
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May 16, 2021 16:45
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJzWEYeUT6U
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May 16, 2021 16:51
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immediately closing the thread was unfunny 0/5
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May 16, 2021 17:17
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Brain Candy posted:so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand find some org that does work you respect and has politics you can vibe with, look for one of the people doing a bunch of poo poo, and ask them if there’s any boring stuff they do that you can take off their plate
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May 16, 2021 17:20
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personally i hope the global proletariat wins
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May 16, 2021 17:21
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If you've given up on the possibility of justice then let the eternal force of revenge power you forward in the class struggle.
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May 16, 2021 17:36
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But seriously, things are pretty dire but they've always been pretty dire right before a revolutionary situation because that's what makes it a revolutionary situation - unavoidable pressures emerging from the capitalist system force crisis and that's what gives opportunities to make sudden leaps. Minor strands of political thought which hadn't made an exceptional mark on the political landscape before suddenly find they have the right tools and the right voice to operate in whatever situation they've all be thrust into and that allows them to outmatch the previously unassailable forces - all you've got to do is use Marxist analysis and knowledge built in struggle now to be confident that you can be that force.
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May 16, 2021 17:41
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scary ghost dog posted:youre going to have only very small windows in which you can post for a while.....and i know youre the exact kind of psycho thats going to try to sneak a qcs thread in lol my money's on someone with red text making a complaint thread
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May 16, 2021 17:49
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a Loving Dog posted:not gonna lie this is the only funny thing flavius has ever done
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May 16, 2021 17:49
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Brain Candy posted:so i read stalin dunking on anarchists, and it was great. the only problem i'd have with it is all the talk of the imminent victory of the proletarians: it's proletarian revolution or mutual ruin of the contending classes and it seems like we're on path b. what can we do today in our current context? i see people organizing unions, okay, cool, is that viable in the timeframe we have? that seems too slow, very much so given nuclear annhilation and global warming going hand in hand capitalism has thoroughly divorced labor from the means of production and finally succeeded in reducing the surplus returning to labor to being the absolute minimum required to reproduce labor. bourgeois values total control of media has convinced most of the white industrial proletariate that this state of affairs is cool and good. revolution is impossible barring an upheaval that allows/forces the survivors to become self sufficient, to own the control of the atom of self determination, to own the means of the reproduction of their own labor and in so doing hopefully remember what it means to not be a slave. the fully automated luxury gay space communism utopist children refuse to accept this as a necessity because they think marxism implies unbroken improvement of conditions. it doesn't, it implies a long term improvement of conditions with local maximums and minimums, occasional collapses and plunges. the only place where progress in modes of production always improves is the ideal, if we don't forget how to read books, human knowledge will continue to improve or at least not decline even when we're doing subsistence farming and figuring out how to fertilize food crops with forest fire smoke and figuring out how to extract estrogen from yams and plastic debris for our trans commrades
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May 16, 2021 18:54
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Zodium posted:finally ate my first probe in seventeen years of posting because flavius is such a bad mod he's ended up at war with the forum he's supposed to moderate, so now I feel free to post that flavius is a retard lmao
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May 16, 2021 20:13
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It is well known that pregnant horse piss is the one true way to get estrogen as a marxist-primitivist Anyway, my view has been to think of things in terms of disaster relief and triage. It is inevitable now that things are going to collapse. climate change will seriously gently caress up our food production, fresh water will become even more sparse, the financialization of real assets will lead to more and more hoarding of housing, factories, farms. Unless you've got a time machine and gun handy you can't stop this from happening at the macro scale. So what can you do? Build a way to get food independent of the outside weather. Get good at using rainwater capture safely, and stockpile well for dry seasons as the climate gets hosed. Find the worst off of the people near you and focus on their needs, both because the state isn't going to AND because it's good practice for when that category becomes the majority. You can't save 7 billion people, but 7? 70? 700? Maybe. And of course all this material needs rely on a strong social network with numerous checks, safety valves, and preemptive measures. Call it a commune or a cadre or whatever else, but there needs to be someone good at soft power and smoothing over interpersonal issues between comrades. You can't save the world, you can't skip stages, you can't put the dialectic in fast forward. But you can survive like leftists have been doing for centuries.
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May 16, 2021 20:24
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Trash Ops posted:lmao lol missed that one (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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e-dt posted:whats this threads thoughts on Michael Heinrich . i've read michael heinrich's intro to the first three volumes of capital. i thought his analysis was very sharp and he's good at drawing attention to subtleties of theory that are easy to overlook or forget that said about 5% of that text is bog standard "lenin failed to consider..." anticommunism that had been predicted and debunked by walter rodney like fifty years prior. you just gotta grin and bear it to get the good stuff about abstract labor
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