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Thoughts and prayers to all Quebeckers affected by the racism from Muslim women
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Feb 2, 2023 03:18
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Maybe if she said "Quebec is filled with bigots notwithstanding the Quebecers who aren't bigots" they would have been okay with her statement.
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Feb 2, 2023 03:26
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has parliament unanimously condemned her yet?
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Feb 2, 2023 03:31
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COPE 27 posted:has parliament unanimously condemned her yet? Not unanimously yet. Quebec Solidaire wants to meet her first. (that's like 11 people lol) But yeah, even the Liberals condemned her so...
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Feb 2, 2023 05:39
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Have you seen the way Quebecoise at large treat minorities? Publicizing their behaviour is incredibly rude. Easy to see why they are upset.
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Feb 2, 2023 05:42
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All of this certainly has me rethinking the idea that the Quebec government is the most racist in Canada.
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Feb 2, 2023 06:43
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“We didn’t murder all those indigenous folks just to go down in history as Islamophobes!” ~ Quebec
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Feb 2, 2023 08:42
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Quebec appeasement means election this year!
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Feb 2, 2023 12:41
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COPE 27 posted:Lmao wtf I assumed people would pay extra to live on a transit line? Oh no, my neighbourhood services are too good! It might attract the poors! It's got to be an outlier riiiiight??? I'm quite sure that housing becomes more desirable the closer you are to a Skytrain station, at least that's how it was when I was in Vancouver. I honestly find it hard to believe. Moving is not fun or easy. Someone would have to be obscenely wealthy/privileged to just up and move because of hypothetical crime increases in their area. I guess at least they've gone to their suburban silo'd hellhole then and left a space for a non-idiot.
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Feb 2, 2023 14:26
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Why is Quebec booing her? She's right.
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Feb 2, 2023 16:02
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mr_big posted:Why is Quebec booing her? She's right. Listen, we cannot have a woman in a hijab serve food in the cafeteria at Saint-Nom-de-Jésus high school, a school where Legault recently made an announcement at Easter during the school's Easter activities with Youppi. We wouldn't want to think the government was endorsing Islam. It is the rest of Canada that is bigoted for thinking we are using secularism as a cudgel to bash minority religions in some fit of hypocrisy. Edit: https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/education/2022-04-11/des-conditions-inacceptables-dans-les-ecoles-reconnait-francois-legault.php pesty13480 fucked around with this message at 17:09 on Feb 2, 2023 |
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Feb 2, 2023 17:05
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The hits just keep coming for Quebec. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/fred-la-marmotte-dies-1.6734368 quote:Sudden death of Quebec's Fred la marmotte casts a shadow on Groundhog Day
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Feb 2, 2023 17:15
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the death of the groundhog means three more years of winter
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Feb 2, 2023 17:26
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Considering it's going to be a high of -25 (-41 with wind) tomorrow in Montréal that sounds about right.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:43
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Oxyclean posted:the death of the groundhog means three more years of winter Eventually COVID will go away I guess.
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Feb 2, 2023 17:43
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Lain Iwakura posted:Eventually COVID will go away I guess. When the unvaxxed start coming back from the dead
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Feb 2, 2023 19:53
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PT6A posted:Did I miss the news and every other doctor on earth died? "Hey, one quick question, why was the leading cause of death 'unknown' while you were serving as Alberta's Chief Medical Officer?"
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Feb 2, 2023 20:00
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Stanley Pain posted:When the unvaxxed start coming back from the dead "When there's no more room in hell..."
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Feb 2, 2023 20:00
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For those of you curious about the closing of shields in Quebec, Patrick Lagacé’s opinion article from Monday’s La Presse provides a pretty good viewpoint: Freehand translation by myself. https://www.lapresse.ca/actualites/chroniques/2023-01-31/ce-terme-reserve-pour-les-quebecois.php To summarize, he argues that Canada has always had a certain double standard towards Quebecois and bigotry; he brings up the example of Mordecai Richler who assimilated the PQ with the Nazi party and step fly hated French Canadians while banalizing the antisemitism he experienced from English Canadians. The crux of Lagacé’s skepticism about Elghawaby: -She claims that Quebecois are in majority anti-Islam off of a single poll that she interprets incorrectly (she claimed that 88% of Quebecois have a negative view of Islam, when the specific percentage was *supporters of PL-21*) -Reacting “I’m going to vomit” to a shared article about the fact that Quebecois considered themselves historically ostracized within Canada. (Tweet since deleted) -Claiming that Quebecois fear the purity of their race being diluted (Her reference for this claim is the Writing of John Ralston Saul, who was writing about western civilization in the 19th century) Lagacé does not deny the presence Islamophobic personalities in Quebec society, nor islamophobic feelings in the population, and reminds that their intolerance has been denounced by himself and others over the years; however, he questions as to why Islamophobia always is boiled down to a Quebecois issue, as once antisemitism was by Mordecai Richler. Once it was the sovereignist movement that attracted the scorn of the ROC, and now the state laicity movement is the new focus, to the point of being compared to racist lynchings in Alabama by certain hot take spouters. While there is definitely an angle of islamophobic thought in some supporters of PL-21, Lagacé (strongly anti PL-21) reminds readers that humanists and philosophers argued for the secularization of the state as well (it should be noted that the recommendations of the Gomery-Taylor report and what the CAQ poo poo out are quite different). Quebec has had a strongly anti clerical bent since the quiet revolution and views as strange and anachronistic that other provinces still have religiously aligned school boards. Lagacé jokingly brings up in comparison the deceased ultranationalist editor Michel Brûlé, who completely un ironically argued that since English capializes “I” while French leaves “je” in minuscules as a sign that English was a language of supremacy and subjugation, and asks why no one had named him official federal language commissioner. Lagacé closes his article wondering why the hell no one in Trudeau’s cabinet saw this coming, wondering if anyone in his team understands the wider Quebec beyond the McGill ghetto. He asks that Elghawaby googles the expression “Preaching in the desert” as a preview of how she risks being received in the Quebec after this storm, and finally, reminds readers that PL-21 curiously enjoyed a fairly high level of support when Canadians in other provinces were polled about it.
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Feb 2, 2023 20:30
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Yes it's Muslims who are wrong about racism
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Feb 2, 2023 20:55
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I only support Quebec independence on the condition they are immediately and permanently annexed by Libya or Vietnam.
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Feb 2, 2023 21:09
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I feel like there's a pretty big divide between "religion should stay out of government institutions and not be allowed to influence them" and "people should be allowed to practice their religion and wear articles of faith regardless of their role" but I don't want to come across as just another Anglophone assaulting the non-discriminatory laicity of Quebec, who if you think about it, is the real victim here (with the implication being that Anglophones do the same thing so what's the big deal guys?)StealthArcher posted:I only support Quebec independence on the condition they are immediately and permanently annexed by Libya or Vietnam. Why would you do this to Vietnam?? e: not embarrassed to say I had to look up "laicity". Disappointed it is not a term for Haiwaiian urban centers Cool Kids Club Soda fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Feb 2, 2023 |
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Feb 2, 2023 21:23
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Passes a law that effects mostly people of minority faiths like Muslims and Jews and then wondersquote:
I'm sure he will let us know when he figures out the answer. Oh wait, the answer is because Quebec are the true oppressed class here.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:05
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Nine of Eight posted:Lagacé does not deny the presence Islamophobic personalities in Quebec society, nor islamophobic feelings in the population, and reminds that their intolerance has been denounced by himself and others over the years; however, he questions as to why Islamophobia always is boiled down to a Quebecois issue, as once antisemitism was by Mordecai Richler. I don't think anyone is denying the existence of Islamophobia in the rest of Canada, but no other province has come up with banger regulations quite like this (that I know of): 
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Feb 2, 2023 22:23
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Quebec is marking the sixth anniversary of the mosque shooting by making a Muslim woman apologize for saying the province is racist?
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Feb 2, 2023 22:45
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eXXon posted:I don't think anyone is denying the existence of Islamophobia in the rest of Canada, but no other province has come up with banger regulations quite like this (that I know of): I'm sure Quebec is going to enforce the regulation against cross necklaces being a bit too big aaaaaany day now.
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Feb 2, 2023 22:51
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I googled ostentatious yarmulkes, because I never even considered those two words in a sentence together before Pretty much the only hits I got were for that picture of prohibited items, and an Etsy shop selling novelty ones for kids Which are amazing   
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Feb 2, 2023 23:01
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Nine of Eight posted:Lagacé closes his article wondering why the hell no one in Trudeau’s cabinet saw this coming, wondering if anyone in his team understands the wider Quebec beyond the McGill ghetto. He asks that Elghawaby googles the expression “Preaching in the desert” as a preview of how she risks being received in the Quebec after this storm, and finally, reminds readers that PL-21 curiously enjoyed a fairly high level of support when Canadians in other provinces were polled about it. I genuinely love Lagacé's work, I really do. Though I really do wonder why the people of this place think it's okay to prevent a Muslim woman from teaching math in her hijab, in the name of high secularism, but that the public school she teaches be named for the Holy Name of Jesus? I'm all for secularism. I want secularism. What we do in Quebec is not honest about what it's doing until I am not able to get a arrested by an officer endorsing the Holy Saviour of the Mountains on his uniform (or my municipal tax bill). It's obscene that a civil servant in a turban is the problem, and not those other things.
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Feb 2, 2023 23:37
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:I feel like there's a pretty big divide between "religion should stay out of government institutions and not be allowed to influence them" and "people should be allowed to practice their religion and wear articles of faith regardless of their role" eXXon posted:I don't think anyone is denying the existence of Islamophobia in the rest of Canada, but no other province has come up with banger regulations quite like this (that I know of): The Gomery-Taylor commission in 2007-2008, formed in response to a media hysteria mostly fomented by the (definitely racist) Quebecor media giant, as well as the ADQ (ancestor of today’s CAQ, originally suggested that a limited ban of religious symbols in government officials with “coercive” powers e.x. judges, prosecutors and law enforcement. To extend this to education (while ignoring healthcare) is absolute bullshit and a function of the CAQ abusing their majority enabled by the first past the post system. Both these past elections the CAQ got in with roughly 35% of the vote versus a 45% split of parties not the CAQ. Madkal posted:I'm sure he will let us know when he figures out the answer. Oh wait, the answer is because Quebec are the true oppressed class here. I didn’t go into the citations, but the article brought up a Ben Shek, a Jewish Canadian scholar who grew up in Montreal "Those of us who grew up in Toronto," writes Shek, "well remember the covenants barring Jews from buying or renting property." He also notes a double standard where Richler downplays the bigotry of fellow English speakers, which he "never refers to as racist, a term reserved for the Québécois." Edit; to be clear I don’t want to be doing the apologia of actual Islamophobia and Antisemitism going down in my province, just that a huge amount of Quebecois don’t appreciate being lumped in as “hur durr Quebecois are all racist” Nine of Eight fucked around with this message at 00:06 on Feb 3, 2023 |
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Feb 2, 2023 23:57
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Nine of Eight posted:
Don't we only have those because they were constitutionally guaranteed to protect the French Catholic minority in Upper Canada? So we can't get rid of them, because we can't open the Constitution, because of Quebec.
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Feb 3, 2023 00:32
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Seems strange that Quebec (under the PQ no less) was able to deconfessionalize their own school boards in the 1990s then, but I’ll confess I need to read up on that. Edit; looks like Quebec indeed made a constitutional amendment in order to do so. Nine of Eight fucked around with this message at 00:44 on Feb 3, 2023 |
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Feb 3, 2023 00:37
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Cool Kids Club Soda posted:"When there's no more room in hell..." A person of culture I see.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:04
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Nine of Eight posted:Seems strange that Quebec (under the PQ no less) was able to deconfessionalize their own school boards in the 1990s then, but I’ll confess I need to read up on that. Wish Ontario would, even though I send my daughter to a Catholic School.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:04
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Cat Wings posted:Don't we only have those because they were constitutionally guaranteed to protect the French Catholic minority in Upper Canada? So we can't get rid of them, because we can't open the Constitution, because of Quebec. The Ontario catholic school boards are laid out in the Canadian constitution?!? I've always assumed that it was an Ontario constitution that created them.
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Feb 3, 2023 01:07
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Secularism is when you tell brown women how they have to dress
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Feb 3, 2023 01:15
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Nine of Eight posted:Seems strange that Quebec (under the PQ no less) was able to deconfessionalize their own school boards in the 1990s then, but I’ll confess I need to read up on that. All but two catholic schools in my city are also french. You didnt get rid of them, you shipped them all to Ontario. 
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Feb 3, 2023 01:33
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Nine of Eight posted:she claimed that 88% of Quebecois have a negative view of Islam, when the specific percentage was *supporters of PL-21* Do you think this same logic would apply if someone were saying "hey, I didn't say I have a negative view of Judaism. What I said was that I support sending Jews to gas chambers"
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Feb 3, 2023 02:01
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Bleck posted:Do you think this same logic would apply if someone were saying "hey, I didn't say I have a negative view of Judaism. What I said was that I support sending Jews to gas chambers" Let me explain it to you again. In a poll of Quebec citizens during the lead up to PL-21, a wildly controversial bill even in Quebec, a certain % of Quebec citizens (I don’t have the original number on hand, and it’s probably depressingly high) were found to be in favour of the bill. Within this group, 88% were found to have a negative view of Islam (no real shock) Elghawaby claimed that 88% of *All* Quebecois held a negative view of Islam after misreading the poll.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:41
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You don't need to do racism quantum to know that Quebec is 100% racist.
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Feb 3, 2023 02:49
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Nine of Eight posted:Let me explain it to you again. Hey, thanks for the explanation. Here's a question; do you think this same logic would apply if someone were saying "hey, I didn't say I have a negative view of Judaism. What I said was that I support sending Jews to gas chambers"
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Feb 3, 2023 02:55
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