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Another Bill
Sep 27, 2018

Born on the bayou
died in a cave
bbq and posting
is all I crave

Also he was crooked as hell and took six figure payoffs from Karlheinz Schrieber while a sitting MP

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Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Apparently Ryan Reynolds was at Mulroney’s funeral today. Maybe he got an invite through Ben.

Syfe
Jun 12, 2006


I feel like not speaking ill of the dead is a societal sickness. It's just bad to pretend it was all good and well, he loved the country and all its people and made things better.

No.

HackensackBackpack
Aug 20, 2007

Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?
I'm just glad the news can move on now to more important things like

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

CPS trying to hassle people for vandalizing the Recall Gondek signs, only for this to reveal that none of them have permits in the first place and they're all now set to be taken down.

Newfie
Oct 8, 2013

10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.
Didn't see anyone post it, but Newfoundland had one of the more successful labour actions in recent memory this week as fishers were able to delay the reading of the budget a day and gain concessions from the government on how fish is sold.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/fisheries-protests-day-3-1.7151989

It was kinda crazy because the first day the RNC, our local poo poo heel police department known for having a series of rapists on staff, walked a horse into one of the protesters, breaking their hip. Things managed to remain calm the second day, but it was kind of crazy seeing a union willing to go this far in 2024 to get concessions.

There are a lot of other problems with the fishery, many of them caused by these fish harvesters and their bourgeois ownership of the fishing vessels and exploitation of labour for profit. But most boat owners are also on their vessels doing the harvesting of the fish so it ultimately feels like a win for labour and I hope more unions see that blocking the house of assembly and engaging in direct action actually gets concessions.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

quote:

"We got 'er done," Efford told reporters afterward. "Free enterprise for every species."

Newfie
Oct 8, 2013

10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.

Yeah they have a log of poo poo like that, but I know a lot of smaller fishers who were really mad about the old way because of how much power it gave the buyers.

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
As long as they keep conservation in check I'm fine with some rebalancing.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

Syfe posted:

I feel like not speaking ill of the dead is a societal sickness. It's just bad to pretend it was all good and well, he loved the country and all its people and made things better.

No.

You would think someone being dead is the best time to speak ill of them. They ain't going to get mad about it.

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Seems like this has received almost no attention at all but the BC government is apparently poised to settle with the Haida over their Aboriginal Title land claim over Haida Gwaii and is now doing consultations about the draft agreement.

Seems like nothing really changes for local residents or municipalities but leaseholders of crown land (eg. fishermen and loggers) could eventually be impacted in some form, presumably in now having to deal more directly with the Haida than the Province. Not really clear to me what happens to the big Provincial and Federal parks (is that "park use permits?").

quote:

Agreement scope
If the agreement is approved, when it comes into effect, it would

* Recognize and affirm that Haida Nation has Aboriginal Title throughout all of Haida Gwaii
* Enable Haida Nation and B.C. to determine how the two governments’ laws work together to guide decisions about land and resources on Haida Gwaii
* Include a transition period where Haida Nation and the Province continue to use their existing shared decision-making bodies and processes, including the Solutions Table and Haida Gwaii Management Council, to make the necessary land and resource decisions
* Enable Haida Nation and the Province to negotiate subsequent agreements that provide clarity for managing the land base to ensure the sustainability of Haida Gwaii for all residents and the generations to come.

The draft agreement also provides that

* Private property – residential, commercial or industrial – would not be affected by the recognition of Haida Aboriginal Title. Privately owned land (fee simple property) would continue under provincial jurisdiction, and the recognition of Haida Aboriginal Title will not change any rights associated with them.
* Existing interests and approvals on Crown land on Haida Gwaii (e.g., permits, leases, park use permits, etc.) would continue through the transition period.
* Local government decision-making and administrative processes like business licences, building permits, zoning or taxation would continue
* Key infrastructure like airports, ferry terminal and highways, would continue to be operated and maintained by the Province
* Provincial and municipal services provided on Haida Gwaii, including health, education, transportation, fire and emergency services, would continue.


This seems like a pretty loving big deal.

Now the BC NDP is supportive of the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples, and supportive of BC First Nations, but even that being said I really do wonder if this would be happening in this way if the government was confident they would prevail in court. I could imagine the government's lawyers telling the government that they were really strongly likely to lose and they should really consider the potential outcomes of that. Presumably if this is the negotiated settlement, then if the government were to lose then they'd be risking some of the things they've retained here, things like existing crown land park use permits or even private land.

Any lawyers here that can weigh in?

Femtosecond
Aug 2, 2003

Pretty painful to see the opposition straight out of the gate spreading FUD and straight up outright lying that this agreement would impact private property rights.

quote:

This agreement, aimed at recognizing First Nations title over all lands on Haida Gwaii—including privately owned lands—signals a dramatic departure from constitutional frameworks and established jurisprudence.

https://www.bcunitedcaucus.ca/2024/03/ndp-constitutional-overreach-now-impacts-private-property-rights-in-draft-agreement/

DynamicSloth
Jul 30, 2006

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
It's the same lie Higgs spread gleefully in New Brunswick. They are working from a very old playbook.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
It seems almost too blatantly false to work but I suppose this is how true deployment of FUD works eh.

What does one do as a government when opponents see no issue with just straight-up lying to the public? These aren't misrepresentations or sleazy twisting of words, it's literally saying the exact opposite of what is in the documentation. You are dependent on the media broadly getting the actual truth out which is certainly not a promising prospect.

I came across this https://www.constitutionalstudies.ca/2019/08/a-law-to-stop-politicians-from-lying/
Charter rights can only be very narrowly circumvented, so it would almost certainly have to be indisputable facts. I don't think there's much to count on from the judicial approach.

It's a bit frightening when you really consider how much political 'fairness' depends on everyone agreeing to not be total shitheads. If someone comes along who really doesn't care, tough poo poo.

Newfie
Oct 8, 2013

10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.

Femtosecond posted:

Seems like this has received almost no attention at all but the BC government is apparently poised to settle with the Haida over their Aboriginal Title land claim over Haida Gwaii and is now doing consultations about the draft agreement.

Seems like nothing really changes for local residents or municipalities but leaseholders of crown land (eg. fishermen and loggers) could eventually be impacted in some form, presumably in now having to deal more directly with the Haida than the Province. Not really clear to me what happens to the big Provincial and Federal parks (is that "park use permits?").

This seems like a pretty loving big deal.

Now the BC NDP is supportive of the UN declaration on the rights of indigenous peoples, and supportive of BC First Nations, but even that being said I really do wonder if this would be happening in this way if the government was confident they would prevail in court. I could imagine the government's lawyers telling the government that they were really strongly likely to lose and they should really consider the potential outcomes of that. Presumably if this is the negotiated settlement, then if the government were to lose then they'd be risking some of the things they've retained here, things like existing crown land park use permits or even private land.

Any lawyers here that can weigh in?

It's also that it's just easier and generally better to negotiate. If you don't you're at the mercy of the judge and we often see a well organized and funded first nation winning large concessions from the court on the position that the crown has a duty to act in good faith. So I imagine what happened here is legal said "hey let's keep dragging this out so we don't have to actually handle legislating it immediately like we would have to if there was a court order." Negotiating this is going to be the best solution because you don't face the double edge sword of getting a decision that's worse for the government's interest, or a decision that upsets the Haida further and never really addresses the issue. If you can negotiate you can put the issue to bed permanently.

run on sentience
Mar 22, 2022
In case you didn't already think Winnipeg city councillor Russ Wyatt is a massive piece of poo poo, he's got a nice pro-genocide letter in the Free Press today:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2024/03/28/letters-march-28-5

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret

run on sentience posted:

In case you didn't already think Winnipeg city councillor Russ Wyatt is a massive piece of poo poo, he's got a nice pro-genocide letter in the Free Press today:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2024/03/28/letters-march-28-5

I wish they would attack Dauphin Country Music fest.

Willatron
Sep 22, 2009
I would certainly hope that if terrorists attacked a Canadian community our government's response would not be to bomb shoot and starve to death tens of thousands more people, including children, who had nothing to do with it, Russ. You loving rear end in a top hat.

hadji murad
Apr 18, 2006
Truly representing Trashcona

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

Remember how in response to Robert Pickton the RCMP bombed and shot and murdered almost everyone in Port Coquitlam? If you think it was bad to bomb the area to the ground, you're pro-serial killer.

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

I thought we'd figured out that he hadn't killed all of those women, and that bikers were just using his farm as a place to dump bodies.

DynamicSloth
Jul 30, 2006

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."

flakeloaf posted:

I thought we'd figured out that he hadn't killed all of those women, and that bikers were just using his farm as a place to dump bodies.

Doesn't exactly clear Ockham's razor, the Hell's Angels had been to the farm sure but would they be exclusively killing sex workers from the Lower East Side? There's no disputing that Pickton regularly picked up sex workers from Vancouver and brought them back to his farm, more glaringly in 1997 Pickton was arrested for the attempted murder of a sex worker who escaped and gave a detailed account of how he stabbed her at the farm. The real conspiracy is to downplay how staggeringly incompetent the police were given that most of the victims ended up at the farm after they blew that case and completely failed to keep tabs on Pickton while more and more sex workers disappeared.

T.C.
Feb 10, 2004

Believe.

flakeloaf posted:

I thought we'd figured out that he hadn't killed all of those women, and that bikers were just using his farm as a place to dump bodies.

I don't think so. We figured out that the Picktons owned an after hours biker bar and had Hell's Angels connections, but I don't think the murders have been credibly attributed to anyone else.

Looks like Pickton's book might say that the Hell's Angels did some of them.

Pickton had been arrested for attempting to murder a sex worker before and had repeatedly talked about murdering sex workers with people. I don't think there's a lot of doubt that he's primarily responsible for killing the people found on his property.

T.C. fucked around with this message at 00:41 on Mar 30, 2024

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Picton is a good example of "it's always who you most expect"

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

DynamicSloth posted:

Doesn't exactly clear Ockham's razor, the Hell's Angels had been to the farm sure but would they be exclusively killing sex workers from the Lower East Side?

So the story went, these had been trafficking victims but that's a lot of moving parts when there's a guy who was arrested for doing the thing he said he wanted to do (the part I didn't know) is already in-play.

That's the problem with seeing bullshit coverups everywhere: you start questioning things that don't need questioning and you just join the list of people who sound really dumb :(

DynamicSloth
Jul 30, 2006

"Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth."
As a criminal enterprise, it's kind of missing the point of trafficking if its turning this many working sex workers into corpses. Of course, even if it was the Angel's, it's still the cops fault for not following up on the address linked to the attempted murder of a sex worker by a known Angel associate.

Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.

run on sentience posted:

In case you didn't already think Winnipeg city councillor Russ Wyatt is a massive piece of poo poo, he's got a nice pro-genocide letter in the Free Press today:

https://www.winnipegfreepress.com/opinion/letters-to-the-editor/2024/03/28/letters-march-28-5

quote:

Today Israel, and its right to exist as a nation, are under attack. And this makes no sense, as this hostility towards Israel originates from an unprovoked attack by Hamas against average people who were simply enjoying an outdoor music festival.

Crazy how Hamas just coagulated out of nothing and attacked a music festival for literally no reason at all! Who can say what happened in Palestine before October 7th?

Blood Boils
Dec 27, 2006

Its not an S, on my planet it means QUIPS

flakeloaf posted:

So the story went, these had been trafficking victims but that's a lot of moving parts when there's a guy who was arrested for doing the thing he said he wanted to do (the part I didn't know) is already in-play.

That's the problem with seeing bullshit coverups everywhere: you start questioning things that don't need questioning and you just join the list of people who sound really dumb :(

Pretty sure most of the victims were Canadian born, with a high % being indigenous.

HA are definitely involved in the sex business, but more on the owning strip joints and "high end" escort services end of things. Pickton's victims worked the streets, bottom of the sex work food chain.

Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 00:40 on Apr 2, 2024

Freshwater Louie
Jun 22, 2004

fffffffff
ah, yes, russ wyatt:

quote:

In July 2018, Wyatt was arrested by Winnipeg Police Service after being charged with sexual assault.[59] These charges were stayed in June 2019.[60] Wyatt has always maintained his innocence and credits the trauma of substance abuse and criminal charges as helping him rediscover religion, find sobriety, and turn his life around.


the dude is probably on another meth bender

Newfie
Oct 8, 2013

10 years of oil boom and 20 billion dollars cash, all I got was a case of beer, a pack of smokes, and 14% unemployment.
Thanks, Danny.
Incredible moments in Canadian history, former Conservative MP and Cabinet minister tweets out he is going to break someone's windows, gets mad when it happens. There is a property dispute between the guy in the house and Penashue claims the guy got he house from his son for coke money that was owing. Instead of bringing it to the court (which he probably couldn't do because his son wouldn't consent) Penashue decided it was smashing car windows time.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/penashue-arrested-property-dispute-1.7153671

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


RCMP famously known for helping drug addicted communities

COPE 27
Sep 11, 2006

Fried Watermelon posted:

RCMP famously known for helping drug addicted communities

Helping them get drugs?

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/michael-hann-drug-investigation-sirt-1.6836040

apatheticman
May 13, 2003

Wedge Regret
https://x.com/CTVJKanygin/status/1776017511894364543

LOL, LMAO

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


The dude sucks and is an absolute moron but it's also exceptionally funny that he screwed over the darkmoney conservative plan to recall her because he submitted first before they could and then they had to scramble to try to co-opt his bumbling attempt and turned the whole thing into a total laughing stock.

Pleads fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Apr 5, 2024

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
Finally, a useful idiot

PittTheElder
Feb 13, 2012

:geno: Yes, it's like a lava lamp.

More signatures than votes Jeff Davison managed to get :lol:

Pleads
Jun 9, 2005

pew pew pew


I also saw the Recall Gondek people collecting signatures outside my local grocery store one time and they had shittily-hand-drawn cardboard signs and the three people running it all fit squarely in the "middle-aged guy with curved baseball hat, sunglasses, and goatee profile picture taken in a truck cab" demographic and they looked wildly pathetic.

Arbite
Nov 4, 2009





India, Pakistan attempted to interfere in Canada's elections: CSIS

CBC posted:

The governments of India and Pakistan attempted to interfere in Canada's federal elections in 2019 and 2021, Canada's spy agency said in documents made public late Thursday night.

In 2021, the government of India had "intent to interfere and likely conducted clandestine activities," including using an Indian government proxy agent in Canada, according to an unclassified summary written by the Canadian Security Intelligence Service (CSIS).

Two years earlier, in 2019, "Government of Pakistan officials in Canada attempted to clandestinely influence Canadian federal politics with the aim of furthering the Government of Pakistan's interests in Canada," CSIS wrote.

The stark assessments are contained in documents that were tabled as part of the federal commission of inquiry into foreign interference. The public inquiry is examining possible meddling by China, India, Russia and others in the 2019 and 2021 federal elections.

Well, aren't we the bell of the ball.

Glimpse
Jun 5, 2011



quote:

The reports all bear notes of caution about the summaries being possibly uncorroborated, single-sourced or incomplete. CSIS Director David Vigneault told the public inquiry that intelligence is not necessarily fact, and said it may require further investigation.

quote:

The document, went on to say that "none of the activities met the threshold to pursue criminal investigations."

Chilling stuff :jerkbag:

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Fidelitious
Apr 17, 2018

MY BIRTH CRY WILL BE THE SOUND OF EVERY WALLET ON THIS PLANET OPENING IN UNISON.
Not to worry, the Indian and Pakistani interference cancel each other out.

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