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ModernMajorGeneral: Jun 25, 2010

eSports Chaebol posted:

from an america-centric perspective, he's not wrong in the sense that alleviating the plight of the american worker is less important than destroying america

Would have more respect for Max if he came out and said that he just contributed to dumb covid opinions to accelerate the destruction of America rather than sincerely believing them

# ? Jan 31, 2023 11:42

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# ? Apr 27, 2024 09:20

COPE 27: Sep 11, 2006

eSports Chaebol posted:

from an america-centric perspective, he's not wrong in the sense that alleviating the plight of the american worker is less important than destroying america

Insha'Allah

# ? Jan 31, 2023 11:49

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

ModernMajorGeneral posted:

Would have more respect for Max if he came out and said that he just contributed to dumb covid opinions to accelerate the destruction of America rather than sincerely believing them

Got to maintain the kayfab. It would be hilarious if this was true though.

# ? Jan 31, 2023 12:12

Goa Tse-tung: Feb 11, 2008; ;3; Yams Fan

https://twitter.com/MaxBlumenthal/status/1619962081591296000?cxt=HHwWgIDQ7cS7ofssAAAA

# ? Jan 31, 2023 12:35

croup coughfield: Apr 8, 2020; Can't post for 101 days!

eSports Chaebol posted:

from an america-centric perspective, he's not wrong in the sense that alleviating the plight of the american worker is less important than destroying america

one necessarily leads to the other

# ? Jan 31, 2023 14:09

V. Illych L.: Apr 11, 2008; ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

StashAugustine posted:

Yeah there was a push to get people vaccinated and it was mildly disingenuous, it just also happened to be the correct thing to do

it's not just about the vaccination - the entire narrative around covid was full of disinformation from official sources, and now we've suddenly decided that it's all over and are refusing to think about it anymore. just the shifting standards of what it meant to die from COVID alone constituted a big and obvious state intervention in the discursive environment.

in this case there was a clear public interest, but it's one of the more blatant information management campaigns i've seen.

# ? Jan 31, 2023 14:23

BrutalistMcDonalds: Oct 4, 2012; Lipstick Apathy

COPE 27 posted:

He claimed to be a socialist but not a marxist in a podcast iirc, for example he sees contesting capital ownership as less important than ending imperialism.

welcome to the ron paul zone

# ? Jan 31, 2023 19:42

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

croup coughfield posted:

one necessarily leads to the other

If you handed American workers control of the means of production tomorrow, it would take at best until the first oil price spike for the imperial war machine to get going again.

# ? Jan 31, 2023 21:37

croup coughfield: Apr 8, 2020; Can't post for 101 days!

Weka posted:

If you handed American workers control of the means of production tomorrow, it would take at best until the first oil price spike for the imperial war machine to get going again.

maybe, maybe not. depends on how its accomplished, as well as how that ownership is organized and stewarded after the fact imo. it'd be a road that changes many people through struggle. regardless, if what you're looking for is the abolition of bourgeois rule (america being the platonic dictatorship of the bourgeoisie) then transferring land and production to the people through mass worker action is the path to that.

# ? Jan 31, 2023 21:44

eSports Chaebol: Feb 22, 2005; Yeah, actually, gamers in the house forever,

i dont doubt the capacity America would have to be France 2

i do doubt the capacity of the First World order to keep existing in such a situation though so it would still probably be a net good

# ? Jan 31, 2023 22:01

paul_soccer12: Jan 5, 2020; by Fluffdaddy

Centrist Committee posted:

he seems to have gotten the message and now only publishes a 45 minute episode every few hours

Lol

# ? Jan 31, 2023 22:31

Greg Legg: Oct 6, 2004

I appreciate the effort Norton is putting in to educate my dumb rear end, and I think he's really smart, but I have to read the articles. The podcast just doesn't work for me unless he has a neat guest on.

edit:
https://twitter.com/gumby4christ/status/1620538738765074433?t=InIJSH7zlIG60rWOFePalA&s=19

I don't think this will surprise anyone familiar with who Blumenthal's father is. Apologies for posting tweets, but I thought it was interesting

Greg Legg has issued a correction as of 00:47 on Feb 1, 2023

# ? Jan 31, 2023 23:24

Weka: May 5, 2019; That child totally had it coming. Nobody should be able to be out at dusk except cars.

croup coughfield posted:

maybe, maybe not. depends on how its accomplished, as well as how that ownership is organized and stewarded after the fact imo. it'd be a road that changes many people through struggle. regardless, if what you're looking for is the abolition of bourgeois rule (america being the platonic dictatorship of the bourgeoisie) then transferring land and production to the people through mass worker action is the path to that.

Oh yeah American's could grow and change for the better, but I said if you handed it to them tomorrow for a reason, it's very hard to predict things like that. We still haven't seen a first world state attempt socialism let alone have a revolution.
Of course stripping the bourgeois of the means of production is the best way to end their rule, but that's not the question. It's supposed to be a comparison between ending American imperialism and implementing communism (or at least communist rule) in America. You are right that doing the later could result in the former ending but too many American's are too virulently anti-communist to do so without a violent revolution and probable civil war, which is a hard sell to people enjoying the spoils of empire.
Conversely America's empire is in a relatively precarious position and convincing people it needs to end can make a meaningful difference in weakening it.

The harm the empire does outside of the hegemonate far outweighs the harm capitalism does to it's workers within the borders so imo from an ethical standpoint one should say they wish to destroy imperialism then decide if communism is the best way to do that. I think it's at least an open question.

# ? Feb 1, 2023 05:38

crepeface: Nov 5, 2004; r*p*f*c*

AnimeIsTrash posted:

i tried to keep up with multipolarista and he publishes a 3 hour long episode every other day

it owns when you're gaming

# ? Feb 1, 2023 05:52

croup coughfield: Apr 8, 2020; Can't post for 101 days!

Weka posted:

Oh yeah American's could grow and change for the better, but I said if you handed it to them tomorrow for a reason, it's very hard to predict things like that. We still haven't seen a first world state attempt socialism let alone have a revolution.
Of course stripping the bourgeois of the means of production is the best way to end their rule, but that's not the question. It's supposed to be a comparison between ending American imperialism and implementing communism (or at least communist rule) in America. You are right that doing the later could result in the former ending but too many American's are too virulently anti-communist to do so without a violent revolution and probable civil war, which is a hard sell to people enjoying the spoils of empire.
Conversely America's empire is in a relatively precarious position and convincing people it needs to end can make a meaningful difference in weakening it.

The harm the empire does outside of the hegemonate far outweighs the harm capitalism does to it's workers within the borders so imo from an ethical standpoint one should say they wish to destroy imperialism then decide if communism is the best way to do that. I think it's at least an open question.

wrong

# ? Feb 1, 2023 14:18