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Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


people wanted a new thread instead of just converting the Mordhau thread, so here's a general for Sword Man Games.

so, what is a...


Medieval Combat Sims, or Sword Games are action-combat melee-focused, (typically) first-person video games akin to fighting games, where individual skill, battlefield awareness, and pressing the taunt/scream button are presented as the most important facets of the player experience. Players generally assume the role of a single soldier on a pitched battlefield of many, or as a single duelist in organized competitions, where they must live by the blade or die tryin'. Sword Games are often intense, personal affairs due to the skill-based and close-quarters nature of the genre, and are popular with the kind of players that like to get real good at cool sword moves and want to have honorable combat with other sweatlords.

Come play game m'lord



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYu8hF5-JAs

Chivalry 2 is the newest Sword Game, and it's pretty good! They just got done with an open beta, and the game proper will be out on June 8th. It's launching for PS4, PS5, all 700 modern xboxes, and Windows 10 PC (but only Epic Games Store, lol). Most goon population is on PC but the game supports full cross-platform play!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po0Yz87y4PA
Official IGN Exclusive AAA+ Gameplay I guess I didn't watch it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJp24-4u4Y
a short rundown of some of the major changes between Chivalry 2 and the previous big Sword Game, Mordhau.

<insert more good videos here>

do you have any...


https://trello.com/b/7HnXYjSb/chivalry-2-roadmap-preview
Developer Trello, which tracks known issues and upcoming content updates/roadmaps.

CUM PLAY M'LORD is an old goon discord created for Mordhau but is now primarily about Bannerlord and Chiv 2

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Jun 10, 2021

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Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


are there any...


yeah



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFpoDlH6Sxs

Mordhau, named after a cool sword technique where you grab the blade and hit a dude in the head with your cross-guard, was the previous Big Sword Game. What separates it from Chivalry 2 is a (very slightly) less cartooney/silly presentation and a bigger focus on fluid sword techniques like chambering and all that, and imo, better customization of your armor and weapons (but not your dude; we'll get to that below). It has its own thread, linked at the top of the OP, and right here. Do yourself a favor and mute the chat dear god.



Mount and Blade: Bannerlord is the sequel to Mount and Blade: Warband, which itself is the Enhanced Edition of the original Mount and Blade. It's primarily a single-player RPG + medieval battlefield sim but the multiplayer has real Sword Game feels. It has its own thread here, but you can talk about the multiplayer in here if you want, I won't mind. This will probably become more relevant to this thread when CRPG comes out, to be honest.



hey wait a minute...


yeah but I like it and it doesn't have another home so we're putting it in here. For Honor is a low-fantasy martial combat game put out by Ubisoft a few years back and has held a pretty decent player base and received steady updates in the years since. It's third-person, has a lock-on system, and its primary game mode operates more like a MOBA than the usual objective-based open field (though there's a game mode like that), but it shares a lot of DNA with other sword games like skill-based gameplay and intense, personal combat. Outside of the Deadliest Warrior expansion for the original Chivalry (RIP) it has the biggest variety of all of these games too when it comes to Sword Mans, with 27 different (often wildly so) highly customizable "Heroes" spread across four factions (Knights, Vikings + A Scottish Guy, Samurai, China).



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOJ_sYrQ5Gs

Hellish Quart is an eastern-european highly lethal Bushi Blade-style fighting game that I couldn't find a bigger banner image for and also has a really good pun name. Closer to a more traditional Fighting Game than a true Sword Game, I'm still putting it here because it doesn't seem to have its own home yet either.




yo what's up with all these...


this was an important and highly discussed thread topic in the Mordhau thread, and will very likely be brought up in this thread, so I figured I'd make a quick note about it here.

Mordhau, unfortunately, kind of gave the genre a bad reputation when it comes to diversity and representation due to two main factors:

1) it was the only Sword Game anyone gave a poo poo about for multiple years; there were contenders but they sucked (Of Kings and Men lol)
2) the developers may not have intentionally tried to court dumb racists to their game, but they absolutely did end up doing that in the end anyway

The dev's absolute refusal to add any skin tones darker than "Potentially Mediterranean" even after several years of development time and the strange length of time (months?) it took to include a word filter and start punishing people for being shitheads (which they still only do sometimes) didn't saddle well with the genre's general ties to European Knights and Nobility and the game's plagued with them now. Mordhau's a great game with a ton of good ideas, and I think as a whole it was good for the genre, even if only to keep it alive for a while longer, but it's hard to downplay just how toxic the player base can be these days.

Thankfully, Chivalry 2 seems to be taking a step in the right direction with a greater focus on keeping communities from becoming cesspits, more frequent community interaction and discussion, and including things like being able to play as POC or women. Being able to actually report people if they're being racist is going to be useful too.

Likely this is because the devs seems to give a poo poo, and it's also now a much higher profile release and you just can't get away with some things when you're taking publisher money as opposed to kickstarter money.

Anyway thank you for coming to my TED talk, I must go, it seems the peasants have risen up and found swords.

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Jun 2, 2021

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Nice, I forgot Hellish Quart, I'm definitely adding that. 2nd post is gonna be about other sword games that aren't The Big One and sword-game related games like For Honor and now HQ, working on that post right now

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


I missed the beta due to IRL poo poo but I watched a bunch of people play it, seems tight. Will probably end up getting it, especially at 40 bucks.

let me know if there's any more Sword Games that are current and don't have homes, I'll add them to the OP. And let me know if you got any cool or funny Chiv 2 videos or memes or whatever to put in the OP

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


I love a lot of the Mordhau lines but nothing beats the original Chiv shouts, which conveniently you can pick up in Chiv 2!

and yeah I don't think I'd feel like I had to add a note to the second OP about mordhau if it wasn't so bad. It's proof that you can't ignore a problem like that until it goes away, really. Muting the chat is a really good idea, in fact I'll add that to mordhau's entry. There's something to be said about how funny it is causing a dude so much anguish they start shouting racial slurs at you, because it's really goddamn funny, but it's much less so when that guy not only doesn't get punished but actually gets a bunch of the rest of the server shouting those slurs too lol.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Yeah that last bit is how I feel too, I don't like muting chat because you do get people who'll legitimately engage with you and the game, but it feels like a minefield sometimes. When I picture Mordhau I think "drat, shame what happened" and disappointment with the devs more than anything. I'm not happy to be done playing it, I'm sad that I can't enjoy it much anymore lol

Going to miss being a Lute Lord or the multiple different filthy peasant weapons and builds.

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 20:53 on Jun 2, 2021

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


adding that to the OP

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Or it'll give 'em a target, we'll see. The big thing will be if the devs give a poo poo, that was Mordhau's problem. Took months to get a chat filter or the ability to hide it, and reporting people is a pain in the rear end to this day.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


adding this video to the OP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6PJp24-4u4Y

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


yeah the old-rear end "kniggas" 4chan meme, talking about each other's Knight styles as if everyone was roleplaying a Boondocks pastiche character or whatever. Not as directly hateful as the actual in-game's chat at least, but it was still a bunch of aggro white dudes spamming the n word because they think it's funny and not the same word now that they added a K in the front, so still very stupid and tasteless and not a great look on the dev's part lol

ironic even, since you can't even make your knight black

Section Z posted:

"Skirmisher can dual wield throwing knives and a sword?"
*Skirmisher punches someone with their knife hand*


Also something to keep in mind for the archer haters/enthusiasts. Their other video mentioned in passing they were having trouble switching to melee as an archer without dying because it took something like "Three seconds at least" to pull out their knife. Probably not archer bias as they felt weapon switching on every class was slower now.

I'm going to play a crossbowman and use the pavise to block doorways, and no one can stop me

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jun 7, 2021

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


DeadFatDuckFat posted:

lol the preload on pc for chiv 2 is only half an hour before the game goes live. Consoles can preload today

lol thanks epic



special edition had this sweet-rear end jousting armor. I love a good Frogmouth.

I hope we get something silly like Deadliest Warrior 2 or whatever, eventually.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


absolutely, been waiting for a real-rear end Bushido Blade for years

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


one of the bigger issues these games had that prevented me from playing third-person (besides not being a weenie) is that the third person animations kind of looked like poo poo with the camera following so close behind you. Chiv 2's animations seem to be much better but I'm still sticking with first person lol

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


ahh, getting teamswitched to the losing team after spending 80% of the game on the winning one. How I missed you...

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Chiv 2 is a good time

https://i.imgur.com/gxYRT0F.mp4

https://i.imgur.com/0nuswhO.mp4

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


yeah party system is hosed right now, hopefully they'll iron it out soon

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


yeah I'm 9.5 hours of playtime and the worst I've seen is someone just being super aggro in chat about another dude's height which was pretty lol

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Perestroika posted:

Also, I'll never ever get tired of suddenly eating poo poo from ballistas and catapults

https://i.imgur.com/762SEaB.mp4

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


socialsecurity posted:

Discord invite in OP has expired possible to get a new one?

sure thing, I guess server owner never had it set to permanent. Updated OP with permanent one

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


try not to lol when I say this but I'm just capturing my VODs on twitch with ScreenToGif because I don't want to wait for it to download lol

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


pop pop pop

https://clips.twitch.tv/EnergeticBeautifulJayPoooound-EJwFBrGECr1UWyX0

lol my twitch seems to think every game I'm playing is Hunt: Showdown

also, found out you might be able to grief people by running into their spike traps. I almost got booted toward the end of this game because my dumb loving team wouldn't watch where they were going and I kept getting dinged for team damage lol

Babe Magnet fucked around with this message at 08:32 on Jun 10, 2021

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


kind of don't like the progression to be honest. I mostly don't like how it's not even for each of the classes, like they clearly want to you play Knight the most since not only does the knight get a little of everything (good primaries, throwing weapons, shields, the last Knight class is basically Fat Vanguard with firepot and everything) but the highest level unlockables, by a large, large margin (like 30-something Vanguard I think compared to 80 Knight) are for the Mason Knight. And that's XP you ONLY get by playing Knight, it's not tied to global.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


the 2H spear special is hilarious, I've killed like a dozen people by just waiting around a corner crouched down like a little goblin
speaking of specials if you're a bow user, your special move is a little bow slap and nerds charging in at you NEVER expected it, it'll stun them long enough to draw a small weapon like a knife or hatchet too

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


https://clips.twitch.tv/TenaciousDullSnailKappaWealth-YWC7F3cu8Tjg9Rb_

WBG Original Recipe (for Chiv Success), Extra Crispy

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


yeah and in several of the maps they can actually hit you and fire from zones where you're not allowed to be. I can't count how many times I've tried to rush an archer and my screen goes dark and tells me I'm in a no no zone and will commit seppuku if I hang out too long

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Famethrowa posted:

I hope they tweak the Mason VIP map. Having the stupid royal run down the timer in the corner is big zzzz time, and firebomb timers can be too long to coordinate a burnout with pubbies.

needs easier access to those back door areas imo

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Exclusivity is supposed to be for a year, and it'll be dead by then, so if you're skipping out on Epic you might just be waiting for Mordhau 2 lol

Haven't been a big fan of the service lately either since I installed it for Chiv 2. Not having a way to message people or join on their game from the friend's list or spectate them has been a small pain in the rear end, and I never thought I'd miss having dedicated built-in discussion forums for each game, but having to go to a subreddit to figure out issues is real annoying.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Chiv 2 might be able to stave off or dodge this genre's tendency to dwindle down to hardcores relatively quickly (much like it's adjacent genre Fighting Games) if they put out another weird DLC like the first game's Deadliest Warrior, or something out of left field like mod tools.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


hosed up how Vanguard is the only class that gets the dagger, I loving love this thing. Even the Archer only gets the knife.

I'd kill for one of the Knight subclasses to get it. Just a big shiny idiot running around backstabbing everyone for All Of Their HP like a fat ninja

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


Mr. Pool posted:

today i learned about alternate attacks (change starting direction of swing)

feeling dumb as heck

you can feint the regular attack into the alternate direction regular attack and it fucks people up ALL THE TIME

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


VulgarandStupid posted:

The bots donít respond well to good footwork and things like holds. Generally if you move away or side to side against then and do a hold, youíll kill them easily. They are also easily recognizable.

it's this 90% of my bot kills are because I'm attacking someone else and doing hold-drags. I don't even think they block if you're not looking at them.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


their party issues are also hurting a lot. Sure it's frustrating but you can get around it by restarting the game a million times or whatever but people who were sold on crossplay with their friends are not able to cross play with their friends still lol

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


shovel is top tier, not even joking. It's so fast, the charged overhead accelerated by looking down comes out drat near instantly.

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


if there's an archer bleeding out on the ground I always make sure to take some time out to watch them die while they punch me for not reviving them

Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


give me the War of the Roses gun

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Babe Magnet
Jun 1, 2008


new For Honor hero lookin' sick

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k243bI3GT5g

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