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ImPureAwesome posted:My system mostly holds 60fps in like Control and Back 4 Blood on Max settings, but noticed a bit of trouble in Forza when you are going too fast and the game needs to pause sometimes to stream in more of the world and it Sekiro it has stuttering issues when you move around and I assume it's having issues loading fast enough as well but not sure. It’s hard to know for sure. That might be not using an SSD or that might be the CPU. You could always buy the NVME only, and if it doesn’t help use it in a full rebuilt. The extra cores make functionally no difference at 1440p+. Not worth it for a strictly gaming machine. Don’t bother with DDR5. Not worth it yet. You could reach out to the company that makes the Fuma and ask about the backplate. Or see above.
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pmchem posted:I just built a 12700K box. the fuma 2 needs a lga 1700 mounting bracket that, when I checked, was not available / backordered everywhere. I ended up getting a noctua NH-D15S instead (had the updated bracket in box). Pilfered Pallbearers posted:It’s hard to know for sure. That might be not using an SSD or that might be the CPU. Thanks for the advice both of you! I think that plan makes sense. I'll get the NVME and then if I'm still want more performance I'll pick up the rest of the list.
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I was pretty disappointed by the Freezer 34 eSports Duo. It was fine idling, but it would hum pretty loudly when playing anything slightly more CPU intensive. I picked up a Thermalright Frost Spirit 140 and I am blown away at how quiet and effective it is. It's both quieter and cooler. With the CPU-Z stress test, RPMs stay at 960, CPU temps at 52C. The Freezer wouldn't be able to maintain those temperatures, and would be loud. In a bunch of game benchmarks, the Freezer would often be approaching 1500RPM. The Frost Spirit stays around 900RPM, and is cooler. It might be colder today, but not by such a large margin. It's hard to overstate how much better it is. It is a dual tower, but I'm still surprised.
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You have discovered why the Fuma 2 is popular. Low-RPM dual towers are pretty great.
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For $30 it was a steal (unlike the A500).
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Rinkles posted:For $30 it was a steal (unlike the A500). Seems like you got a good deal. They seem to go for about $60 most places. Congrats.
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i know nothing about PC gaming but i want to start playing the powerwashing simulator game. i also think i'd be good at shooting ppl so maybe want to try that out too. where does one start? i don't want a huge setup, something pretty small would be nice. I'm in the US and can have a flexible budget, i already have a laptop for work and a macbook for personal stuff so i guess now i'll have ... three computers?
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jimmychoo posted:i know nothing about PC gaming but i want to start playing the powerwashing simulator game. i also think i'd be good at shooting ppl so maybe want to try that out too. where does one start? i don't want a huge setup, something pretty small would be nice. This is roughly the prototypical midrange build right now if you go the diy route, give or take the particular 80+gold psu or case, depending on cpu and board choices you could shave off around 70-100$ by either going with a 12th gen i3 or going back to 10th/11th gen intel platform which has has a wider range of cheaper motherboards. Micro ATX cases that aren't hotboxes are a bit hard to come by at the moment, you can expect to pay a premium compared to an atx midtower. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-12400 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor ($198.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Asus PRIME B660M-A D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($139.99 @ Amazon) Memory: Team T-FORCE VULCAN Z 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Crucial MX500 1 TB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($99.99 @ Adorama) Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 6600 8 GB MECH 2X Video Card ($469.98 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master MasterBox NR400 (w/ODD) MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($89.71 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Corsair RMx (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($68.98 @ Newegg) Total: $1122.63 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2022-01-21 17:08 EST-0500 For comparison a prebuilt with a significantly better gpu with a crappier case and a slightly less powerful amd cpu for $1299. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/cyberp...p?skuId=6450623 lurker2006 fucked around with this message at 23:28 on Jan 21, 2022 |
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Rinkles posted:For $30 it was a steal (unlike the A500). Where did you buy it for $30?
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:Where did you buy it for $30? Amazon, they had a few thermalright coolers on sale a week or so ago. The Peerless Assassin was a few dollars more (I learned that a number of brands call their coolers "assassin"). I wasn't sure which to go with, but I ended up really happy with my purchase.
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I'm not able to boot into my system's BIOS/UEFI. On the boot screen I hit Delete, but it just changes the screen to a cursor (not blinking) and responds to no further keyboard input. I have to do a hard reset. Is my BIOS corrupted? It's an MSI B550-A Pro on the latest BIOS revision.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:I'm not able to boot into my system's BIOS/UEFI. On the boot screen I hit Delete, but it just changes the screen to a cursor (not blinking) and responds to no further keyboard input. I have to do a hard reset. Probably. Pull the CMOS battery.
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Kid wants to join me and mom for Cod Zombies on a PC, I have an old GTX 970 laying around I could use, but is there a decent cpu/mobo combo I could pair it with? I'll find the ram myself once I know the other two. If not I guess I'm going to costco for a prebuilt?
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maniacripper posted:Kid wants to join me and mom for Cod Zombies on a PC, I have an old GTX 970 laying around I could use, but is there a decent cpu/mobo combo I could pair it with? I'll find the ram myself once I know the other two. I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for exactly. Is there price you'd rather not go over? You can get a 10400F with the Asus Prime B560M-A for $255. A 12100F with the Asus Prime B660-A costs about the same and may be slightly better, but the 12100 is out of stock. Availability is low for the 12400 as well, but I'm not sure how needed it would be for your use case.
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I posted this in the short HW questions thread, but that doesn't appear to get much traffic, and I've since done more troubleshooting. I'm trying to reuse and old i7 4770k in an MSI Z87 G45 motherboard as an unRAID box and ran into some issues. I can't get the iGPU to display BIOS at all, or unRAID without the display glitching out. This happens with both, the HDMI port and DVI port with an adapter to an HDMI cable. I can't test the motherboard's VGA output as I don't have a cable or a monitor that has VGA input. If I plug in an old hard drive that used to be in this system, it pretty much immediately boots into Windows and I can use Windows no problem. I tried getting into BIOS through Windows Securrity, but gets me to a blank screen. As a barebones system without any bootable devices, I can see POST codes after I power on, but then if I try to key into BIOS or the Boot Menu, I get a blank screen. I say blank because the backlight stays on, but not showing anything. If restart and I don't press any keys, EFI Shell loads. From there I can insert the USB drive and navigate to and load the .EFI file to load unRAID. Back to my previous note, unRAID works and I can connect to it from my main PC using the webGUIe, but the display out of the unRAID box is glitchy and freezes. If I try to reboot the system from the unRAID webGUI or using the power button with the USB already inserted, I just get a blank screen and I can't log into the unRAID webGUI from my PC, meaning unRAID isn't booting. EFI Shell working:  After loading uNRAID, I was able to select GUI Mode, saw the first few lines of status text, then a cursor blinked twice and the display froze like this:  I thought I'd check what happens if I add a video card to the system, so I stuck my 3080 in and voila, I get the MSI splash screen and can get into BIOS. If I power on with the uNRAID USB inserted, it boots into unRAID automatically. I've cleared the CMOS more times than I can count. I've tried setting the BISO to default to integrated graphics and that doesn't change anything. Not sure what else there is to do other than spend way too much money in the poo poo market on a poo poo video card to stick in a headless server just so it can boot from USB. Has anyone dealt with anything like this before? My Google-fu has turned up this post on the Tom's Hardware forum (https://forums.tomshardware.com/threads/integrated-graphics-not-working-please-help.3216181/) and a few other threads having issues not getting BIOS displays on certain newer monitors.
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So I did my first Intel build tonight and do you normally have to press kinda hard on the socket lever for LGA1700? All the notches and the corner were lined up, just felt like I had to put a little more pressure than expected to lock in the CPU.
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PolishPandaBear posted:I posted this in the short HW questions thread, but that doesn't appear to get much traffic, and I've since done more troubleshooting. So a gpu fixes the problem? Find an old simple gpu on ebay. If I understand your post correctly in the computer is not for gaming anyway. Heres a gtx 630 passive for $20 https://www.ebay.com/itm/224794068417?hash=item3456c545c1:g:ktEAAOSwayxh5IC2 It’s always nice to have a second GPU on hand anyway in case one dies and you literally don’t have a video out. I shopped for like 3 1/2 seconds to find that one but you get the idea. spunkshui fucked around with this message at 04:31 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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KrunkMcGrunk posted:So I did my first Intel build tonight and do you normally have to press kinda hard on the socket lever for LGA1700? All the notches and the corner were lined up, just felt like I had to put a little more pressure than expected to lock in the CPU. Oh yeah, I mean this gen has so much pressure on the socket that it's bending the loving board in some cases iirc
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Oh yeah, I mean this gen has so much pressure on the socket that it's bending the loving board in some cases iirc i believe it. the socket lever is bowing, but the CPU is seated. so i've got a new problem - i can't boot into windows. My motherboard keeps going into bios settings, despite seeing both hard drives and the usb stick that i have win 10 on. CMOS problem maybe?
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KrunkMcGrunk posted:i believe it. the socket lever is bowing, but the CPU is seated. I think it could be a bios hard drive setting. I once updated a BIOS and then my motherboard refuse to understand my hard drives. Look into UEFI or just legacy. Or CSM. I can’t remember what exactly fixed my problem but it might be related to what your problem is.
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spunkshui posted:I think it could be a bios hard drive setting. will do, thanks. Googling also suggested doing a BIOS update, so I'm in the middle of that right now. I'll report back with how it turns out E: changing to CSM did it! Thank you! KrunkMcGrunk fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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spunkshui posted:So a gpu fixes the problem? I tried one last thing which ended up solving everything. I enabled Windows 8/8.1 Features in BIOS (  ), which changed the BIOS mode from UEFI + Legacy to UEFI, but also under that Win8 menu was a sub-menu called Internal GOP Configuration. When I first looked, it showed IGFX Driver Version greyed out and as "N/A." After enabling Win8 Features and rebooting into BIOS, it's no longer greyed out and says Intel GOP Driver. I also set the GPU preference for IDG instead of PCE.I also tried just setting the BIOS to UEFI in a separate menu, but that didn't help. There's something about the Windows 8 Features that need to be enabled. And yeah, thanks, I'm still going to pick up a cheap card just to have as a backup. Leaning towards a GT 710 though as its has a TDP of 19 watts just for extra low power draw. Edit: Wanted to mention that MSI Fast Boot, Fast Boot, and Secure Boot are all disabled under Win9 Features. PolishPandaBear fucked around with this message at 09:20 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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I was looking at this from Lian-Li for a case I'm getting because my current one is such a pain to work in, and I got to wonder what to do with my 4x140mm fans in an air-cooled setup. How's this: I'm assuming the best setup is 2x on side intake, 2x on bottom intake, and a 120mm exhaust. The GPU will be mounted regularly since the bottom intake would probably work just fine with that. I could buy the front intake kit, but the side intake is probably fine. They're sold out now anyway, so I can always change that. Add to this the D15 with two coolers on it ofc. I could add top exhaust fans, but it's both a bit of extra in terms of money, but it seems like something that would just disrupt the airflow as well. Y'know what, here's an illustration of what it'd look like: 
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:I'm not entirely sure what you're looking for exactly. Is there price you'd rather not go over? You can get a 10400F with the Asus Prime B560M-A for $255. A 12100F with the Asus Prime B660-A costs about the same and may be slightly better, but the 12100 is out of stock. Availability is low for the 12400 as well, but I'm not sure how needed it would be for your use case. Thanks this is all I wanted to know! Just not drop 600 bucks on a cpu/mobo ram and let het play COD Cold War Zombies with my old gtx970
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kliras posted:I was looking at this from Lian-Li for a case I'm getting because my current one is such a pain to work in, and I got to wonder what to do with my 4x140mm fans in an air-cooled setup. How's this: I’d add a second exhaust fan so you have one in the back and then just toss one in the very far back of the top.
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spunkshui posted:I’d add a second exhaust fan so you have one in the back and then just toss one in the very far back of the top. Oh, and would the one top fan have to be 120mm like the rear fan? kliras fucked around with this message at 17:33 on Jan 22, 2022 |
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kliras posted:Interesting. Should all (case) fans more or less operate at same speed / volume per second in that setup? It’s good to be slightly positive with your overall pressure meaning you have more fans pulling air and then sucking hot air out. However this is only because ideally you have filters over those intake fans. Positive pressure is ideal because it will mean that the air will be trying to escape out every possible opening in your case like all of those holes in the back. If you have negative pressure overall like four exhaust fans and to intake then air will try to rush in through every crack in the case and you’ll get dust and a lot of random places. However with your set up, four intake fans and only one exhaust, those intake fans are going to struggle against the hot air that’s already sitting in the case. A second exhaust fan helps with that. As for the size and speed of the fan: always go for the largest fan that you can mount because it will move the most air at the lowest volume. It’s also important to play around the bios with the fan speeds because you can tie them to the CPU temperature and get them to be completely silent while poo poo posting and great thermals while gaming if you don’t mind a little noise.
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Should my processor be heat throttling in the cpu test from the intro extreme tuning utility? My newly built system crashes 45 minutes or so into playing a demanding game like Halo, and my best guess is that it’s heat related. I have an AIO system but it’s so quiet I’m not sure it’s working right, and the stress test show the cpu running solid at 100C.
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and, no, it should extremely not be hitting 100. if it's hitting 100 and silent, then actually thinking about it, are your fans plugged in and where
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It’s very quiet but the fans are running, and yes I used an appropriate amount of thermal paste. I have the fans plugged into the cpu, and the pump plugged into aio_pump.
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well, a 12700k is a spicy chip, what is the specific AIO? i was under the impression that even AIOs responded to CPU need, which it absolutely should be cranking to jet engine RPMs if you're hitting 100? 100 is as you mentioned thermal throttle high - the chip is turning itself off to reduce the thermal load which is kind of the failstate of cooling. pegged to 100 is rough and implies there's something wrong somewhere.
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I’ll take it apart and put it back together, hopefully that will fix it. Might have just gotten a bum cooler, that would suck because shipping takes forever where I live. The one I have is this one: https://www.coolermaster.com/catalog/coolers/cpu-liquid-coolers/masterliquid-240/
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do you have the correct stand off screw height? the other cooler I had I needed to get a pack of screws to fit lga1700
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Yeah it sounds like you didn’t get the correct plating for your CPU. 100 C is extremely not ok. That cooler isn’t amazing or anything, but it should be performing much better than that. Use some fan software and push the fans to 100% and see if they work any better. But my guess is mounting issues.
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While I agree its probably the mounting hardware double check you removed the plastic cover off the heatsink. I'm not implying you're stupid here, this is an incredibly common mistake and every big tech youtuber has had to do a video about it in the past.
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