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What country are you in? Canada! Do you live near Microcenter? Nope What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? Shitposting? Ultra-wide gaming. What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. Want to buy a nice computer and am prepared to pay what that costs. I don't want to pay dumb premiums, like a 7950x instead of a 7800x3d, but will pay what it costs to get a nice system If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? Seriously answer this. It drastically changes the recommendations you will get. 3440x1440 @144hz, want to be playing ultra for Cyberpunk, Alan Wake, etc. Idea would be for it to last a couple years at least, maybe upgrade to a 5xxx series GTX when/if it comes out and sell the 4090 If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? What’s your typical project size and complexity? If you use multiple pieces of software, what’s your workflow? no i use my computer for dumb baby poo poo here's what i've come up with. the local computer store is having a decent fall sale, and I'm looking to capitalize on that, and have picked discounted parts where possible (ie: the 990 2TB is currently on for the same price as a 1TB) PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($389.00 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Lian Li Galahad II Trinity Performance 108.29 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($159.99 @ Adorama) Thermal Compound: Noctua NT-H1 3.5 g Thermal Paste ($8.94 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard ($199.00 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($101.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 990 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($134.99 @ B&H) Storage: Seagate IronWolf Pro NAS 12 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($229.99 @ Amazon) Video Card: Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($1999.00 @ B&H) Case: Lian Li O11 Dynamic EVO ATX Mid Tower Case ($130.01 @ B&H) Power Supply: Corsair AX1200 1200 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply Case Fan: ARCTIC F14 PWM PST 74 CFM 140 mm Fans 5-Pack does that make sense. any weird / stand out choices, any recommendations for stuff that's better or makes more sense
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CatelynIsAZombie posted:So I'm trying to make sure the cheapest gskill kit I'm seeing in PC parts picker is compatible with amd EXPO on the motherboards I'm looking at. The AMD compatibility list lists no DDR5 gskill kits for some reason when you actually try to use the filter. The MSI website for one of their B650 boards lists some gskill kits but not this particular kit. I had the same issue, in the end I went directly to the gskill website where it is clearly stated if the memory stick is AMD EXPO or Intel XMP. https://www.gskill.com/products/1/165/Desktop-Memory
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:I think you will want an ATX 3.0 PSU with a 12-pin connector for the 4090. Cool thank you. I didn't look closely at the psu so that's a good catch. Any other dumb picks or better choices Edit: replaced it w a 1000w supply https://www.newegg.ca/msi-mpg-a1000g-pcie-5/p/N82E16817701016 terrorist ambulance fucked around with this message at 12:31 on Sep 27, 2023 |
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terrorist ambulance posted:Cool thank you. I didn't look closely at the psu so that's a good catch. Any other dumb picks or better choices There was a recall on the Galahad in March of 2022 and concerns that it performs much worse over time, so I might pick a different AIO. The Arctic Liquid Freezer I think is pretty well regarded. I wouldn't bother buying thermal paste. Your cooler will come with it. I'm not a media hoarder so I wouldn't buy a 12 TB spinny drive but I assume you have a specific use case for it. If you don't, I wouldn't bother as it will just take up space and make noise.
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thanks again, really appreciate it, particularly identifying the QC issues with the galahad
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Kin posted:Edit: actually, what do you do with old computer parts. I still have the original parts from my whatever rig I had back in 2011 and I'm sure it can run stuff up to Arkham City and games from around then, etc. What a lot of us do is either fill them with hard drives and convert them into NAS / home server boxes, or plug them into the home theater and use them and use them as a web browser / media player / lightweight gaming and emulating box
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Country? USA Near a MicroCenter? Not particularly Use? Gaming Budget? Under $2k Gaming specs? 1440p @120hz. High-mid to mid settings are fine so long as I'm getting smooth frames. Professional work? No It's about time to upgrade my Haswell build. Seems like the 7800X3D is the gamer's choice for a processor. Not married to Nvidia but I don't see a lot of Radeon reccs so I'm assuming that's the way to go. The PSU on this list was purchased in 2021 so it should have some years left in it, please let me know if it wouldn't have the correct connectors for the graphics card I've selected. My previous build was ITX so if there's anything fun I can do with the other PCI slot let me know. E: updated list on advice from DoombatINC E: updated list to use lower-clearance memory CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($385.00 @ Newegg) CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Liquid Freezer II 240 A-RGB 48.8 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler ($107.99 @ Amazon) Motherboard: Gigabyte B650M AORUS ELITE AX Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($189.99 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($96.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($86.58 @ Amazon) Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card ($549.99 @ B&H) Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Mini MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($109.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: Corsair RM650x (2018) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $96.74) Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Oct 3, 2023 |
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DoombatINC posted:What a lot of us do is either fill them with hard drives and convert them into NAS / home server boxes, or plug them into the home theater and use them and use them as a web browser / media player / lightweight gaming and emulating box I suppose that is what I did with my original 2012 machine now that you mention it. Though I eventually replaced that with a compute stick and then a dell optiplex as a plex server. I've got a steam deck/Dock combo in the living room now too which is just a lot neater than having another tower kicking about.for gaming. If I didn't have a couple of kids now I'd probably just keep it piling up in a cupboard somewhere like it has done so far, but space is becoming an issue and I'm starting to get side eye from the wife about keeping junk in the house.
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Dr Cheeto posted:It's about time to upgrade my Haswell build. Seems like the 7800X3D is the gamer's choice for a processor. Not married to Nvidia but I don't see a lot of Radeon reccs so I'm assuming that's the way to go. The PSU on this list was purchased in 2021 so it should have some years left in it, please let me know if it wouldn't have the correct connectors for the graphics card I've selected. The 7800X3D is the Cadillac of gaming processors right now, for sure. AMD videocards are pretty solid, too, but their strength right now is in rasterization and "cost per frame" calculations - their cards tend to give you a lot of bang for the buck and so you can make something really impressive without blowing up your budget, but the corollary is that AMD's bells and whistles aren't as strong as Nvidia's and if you're interested in things like raytracing / pathtracing or DLSS's featureset then Nvidia is the way to go. The closest comparable AMD card to your selected Nvidia card would be the RX 7800 XT, which has more vram and performs at slightly higher framerates than the RTX 4070 while costing fifty bucks less on average, but its upscaling isn't as nice as the 4070 and it falls behind as soon as you turn raytracing on. You could save some money if you downgraded that drive to something PCIe 4, most games can barely take advantage of PCIe 3's speeds as it is and it'll be a while before direct storage access stuff is far enough along that PCIe 5 will impact game performance. You could also probably move down to 32gb of memory if you're just going to be gaming, maybe get some DDR5-6000 with tighter timings since that'll have more impact than the extra headroom (though X3D chips are pretty forgiving with memory speeds). The power supply should have enough hookups, and if the card you get has one of the new connectors there should be an adapter in the box if necessary.
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DoombatINC posted:You could also probably move down to 32gb of memory if you're just going to be gaming, maybe get some DDR5-6000 with tighter timings since that'll have more impact than the extra headroom (though X3D chips are pretty forgiving with memory speeds). I'm afraid I don't really understand memory timings but is this reasonable? G.Skill Ripjaws S5 2x16GB, DDR5-6000 with 30-40-40-96 timings https://pcpartpicker.com/product/x4VmP6/ I appreciate the tip on the M.2 drive, dropping to a Western Digital SN770 is a big save.
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I am also pretty baby brained when it comes to memory timings, honestly  but that memory looks good!
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How can you check your computer's power consumption or rather what would be symptoms of a PSU maxing out? I noticed when I download games and updates from Steam, my entire computer stutters and freezes. I know steam downloads at max speed and installs at the same time so it is very intensive. Running games and stuff seem to work fine.
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Housh posted:How can you check your computer's power consumption or rather what would be symptoms of a PSU maxing out? A psu issue wouldn’t cause that. It’s probably an IO issue. What sort of SSD are you running or ram possibly?
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MarcusSA posted:A psu issue wouldn’t cause that. The drive steam is on and is downloading/installing to: WD BLACK SN850 NVMe M.2 2280 RAM: CORSAIR Vengeance 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 5200 4x 16 GB
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Housh posted:The drive steam is on and is downloading/installing to: WD BLACK SN850 NVMe M.2 2280 Maybe a long shot here but the most recent AMD and Intel CPUs don't seem to like 4 sticks of RAM. If the problem is reproducible I'd pull sticks 1 and 3 and try it again.
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Quick example build: Hey again, i was just about to pull the trigger on this build until i saw that the ASRock B760M-H/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard is showing up with a French result on Amazon from the PC partpicker results (also £40 more expensive than the price you mentioned). https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0CBNN8PYT/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?smid=A30DC7701CXIBH&psc=1 I'm guessing the stock availability must have changed or something in the last couple of days as it's also saying a 4-6 week delivery window in addition to the new £141.60 price. Is there another motherboard you'd recommend?
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Kin posted:Hey again, i was just about to pull the trigger on this build until i saw that the ASRock B760M-H/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard is showing up with a French result on Amazon from the PC partpicker results (also £40 more expensive than the price you mentioned). Hey dude, before you proceed, can I ask another goon to chime in on the build I suggested and recommend a decent alternative motherboard, or otherwise comment? This thread is usually great at correcting erroneous advice but this is basically the first time I've written something advising someone else rather than asking questions for my own needs  I'd be confident just picking another one if it were my money being spent but I'd just like you to have the goon sweet sweet stamp of approval!
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Lord Ludikrous posted:We aren’t lucky to have any in the U.K. but how come Microcenter has such good prices? Specifically as well their incredible motherboard bundles. Some vendors in the U.K. do bundles but they’re universally awful. Microcenter sells bundles near cost because they make them in-store only. People who are forced to go to the store to buy them can then be sold higher-margin things like other parts, peripherals, services, warranties, etc.
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Kin posted:Hey again, i was just about to pull the trigger on this build until i saw that the ASRock B760M-H/M.2 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard is showing up with a French result on Amazon from the PC partpicker results (also £40 more expensive than the price you mentioned). Poking around the UK PCP page and doing a little googling, it looks like this guy would be a pretty good relative value - the cost is in the 130s but it's a much more robust board, 4 DIMM slots, both M.2s are 4th gen, and the power delivery system is much more heavy duty
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WattsvilleBlues posted:Maybe a long shot here but the most recent AMD and Intel CPUs don't seem to like 4 sticks of RAM. If the problem is reproducible I'd pull sticks 1 and 3 and try it again. The issue only occurs with Steam and Bnet downloads. Downloading large files with a browser, FTP client, torrent, etc is fine and the computer runs fine doing everything else even playing games. I do see instances of people talking about the same issues online and some folks using a command: code:
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Housh posted:I do see instances of people talking about the same issues online and some folks using a command: That is disabling HPET, which as a general rule you don't want to do. When the computer is stuttering, does task manager show 100% CPU usage?
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DoombatINC posted:The closest comparable AMD card to your selected Nvidia card would be the RX 7800 XT,
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DoombatINC posted:Poking around the UK PCP page and doing a little googling, it looks like this guy would be a pretty good relative value - the cost is in the 130s but it's a much more robust board, 4 DIMM slots, both M.2s are 4th gen, and the power delivery system is much more heavy duty Cheers for that. Looks like it's in stock and I'm guessing due to the lack of feedback that the other parts are ok, so I'll go and grab those.
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What country are you in? UK Do you live near Microcenter? No What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? Shitposting? Gaming, hobby level photo and video editing, shitposting etc etc What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. ~£2000ish If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? Seriously answer this. It drastically changes the recommendations you will get. Ultrawide 3440x1440 100hz monitor. Happy with hitting 60fps in most things though, I'm not a huge fps snob but some consistency is nice. I would like to be able to run most games at high/ultra with raytracing enabled. Think the new Cyberpunk 2.0 update with most of the shiny things going (path tracing too maybe? But whatever the video card I've suggested can handle, because that is as high price wise as I'd like to go on a video card). Also I might get a 4k monitor in the future, but for the time being it'll be this. If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? What’s your typical project size and complexity? If you use multiple pieces of software, what’s your workflow? Not professional work, just hobby lightroom, photoshop and davinci resolve. As much as I hate to part with it, I think it's time to upgrade from my i7 8700k and 1080ti (the best value pc component I've ever bought, seriously it's 6 years old now). I think this is a pretty good starting point, but the thing I'm least confident on is the motherboard. There are just too many options when it comes to motherboards and I get a little overwhelmed. I've overclocked my current processor but not hugely into overclocking the new one, not sure there would be much need but let me know if it would be worth it. Also, is there much reason to go for the more expensive ASUS ROG Strix version of the card, or will the TUF one be absolutely fine? PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor (£371.62 @ Amazon UK) CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (£46.31 @ Amazon UK) Motherboard: MSI PRO Z790-P WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (£189.99 @ Amazon UK) Memory: Corsair Vengeance 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-5600 CL36 Memory (£89.93 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£48.99 @ Amazon UK) Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (£48.99 @ Amazon UK) Video Card: Asus TUF GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4070 Ti 12 GB Video Card (£857.97 @ Ebuyer) Power Supply: Corsair RM850e (2023) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (£104.99 @ AWD-IT) Total: £1758.79 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-28 14:41 BST+0100 I'll be using my current monitor and PC case as well, Fractal Meshify 2. Let me know if anything is bad about this!
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Clarence posted:What's a good AMD CPU match for this card (for gaming)? I'm assuming it wouldn't need to be top-of-the-line; Ryzen 5 7600? Either a 7600 or 7700 would be a good fit for an RX 7800 - the 7600 punches way above its weight in gaming and would give you the best bang for your buck, while the 7700 has two more cores which could be more of a factor in gaming performance down the road (depending on how long you plan on keeping the system around - we're only recently starting to see games really take advantage of big CPUs)
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Kin posted:Cheers for that. Happy days, good look good sir and let us know how you get on.
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What country are you in? United States Do you live near Microcenter? Sorta (3 hours) What are you using the system for? Gaming What's your budget? $1500 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? Currently have a 2560x1080 75hz monitor, though I'm likely gonna get a new one on the near future. Whipped this up as I'm close enough to Chicago to hit up Microcenter for the 13700K bundle. I'm also not married to Intel or Nvidia, so if there's AMD options in all ears. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/Z2BNPF PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i7-13700K 3.4 GHz 16-Core Processor ($375.99 @ Amazon) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Black Edition 42 CFM CPU Cooler ($24.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Asus PRIME Z790-P WIFI ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($210.00 @ Amazon) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws S5 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($91.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($125.65 @ Amazon) Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 12 GB Video Card ($549.99 @ B&H) Case: Fractal Design North ATX Mid Tower Case ($139.99 @ B&H) Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($99.99 @ Best Buy) Total: $1618.59 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-28 12:32 EDT-0400
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This was originally going to be an upgrade to my existing build, but my Dad is in the market for an upgrade and offered to take the old one off my hands; plus I got some money in my pocket so gently caress it, might as well go all the way. What country are you in? British Columbia, Canada. Do you live near Microcenter? No. What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? Shitposting? Gaming, futzing about in Photoshop and Stable Diffusion sometimes. What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. Somewhere between 5000 to 6000 Canadabucks. If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution / refresh rate? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? Seriously answer this. It drastically changes the recommendations you will get. I'll be sticking with my 2560 x 1440 165 Hz monitor for now, but I'm planning to upgrade to a 4k of some kind in the hopefully near future. If you’re doing professional work, what software do you need to use? What’s your typical project size and complexity? If you use multiple pieces of software, what’s your workflow? No real professional stuff to speak of besides the aforementioned Photoshop and SD. I do RDC into my office workstation for work-related stuff occasionally. CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 7800X3D 4.2 GHz 8-Core Processor ($529.00 @ Canada Computers) CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler ($46.93 @ Amazon Canada) Motherboard: Gigabyte B650 AORUS ELITE AX ATX AM5 Motherboard ($279.99 @ Memory Express) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-6000 CL30 Memory ($154.99 @ Canada Computers) Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($244.99 @ Best Buy Canada) Storage: Samsung 980 Pro 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($244.99 @ Best Buy Canada) Video Card: Asus ROG STRIX GAMING OC GeForce RTX 4090 24 GB Video Card ($2699.00 @ Canada Computers) Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 XL ATX Full Tower Case ($269.99 @ Memory Express) Power Supply: Corsair RM850x (2021) 850 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($165.98 @ Best Buy Canada) Total: $4635.86 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-28 23:09 EDT-0400 The main questions I have at the moment are: 1) Does my power supply have enough juice or should I aim for at least a 1000w block? 2) I hear the Fractal 2 Meshify was very highly regarded, is that still the case now or has it been supplanted by newer models? Also is there much of an appreciable difference between the mid-tower version and the full-tower version? I selected the Full Tower for now because the 4090 is a big chonker and it seems like I might need the extra room? 3) I'm basically treating all the AiB's as equally evil, but if there's any significant aesthetic or quality differences I should be aware of then please let me know. I'd like something with RGB for sure because my current build has them and I think they look pretty slick, but if it comes down to a choice between aesthetics and quality then I'll definitely go for quality first and foremost. 4) Is 32GB the generally agreed "normal" amount of RAM I should be getting in this era or should I look into getting 64GB instead? Any suggestions at all would be really appreciated! I haven't done a full build in quite a while now so I'm really looking forward to it. MechanicalTomPetty fucked around with this message at 03:47 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:2) I hear the Fractal 2 Meshify was very highly regarded, is that still the case now or has it been supplanted by newer models? Also is there much of an appreciable difference between the mid-tower version and the full-tower version? I selected the Full Tower for now because the 4090 is a big chonker and it seems like I might need the extra room? https://www.fractal-design.com/app/uploads/2023/08/Meshify-2-Manual-V.4-2023-08-21.pdf Dr Cheeto fucked around with this message at 14:18 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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Country - US Microcenter? - Yes! Purpose - Kid's gaming desktop x3 Budget - As much under 500 as possible Monitor Specs - Truly doesn't need to be fancy Okay, so potentially frustrating question given the overall quality of prefabs - are there any prefabs that would fit these specs that are worth a solitary drat? My friend is a single mother of three, and while I know the OP says there's always time to build a desktop, I guarantee you she does not have time to build a desktop. She wants desktops so the kids don't have to lug their laptops between her place and her ex's every week, as the laptops are heavy and they are tiny. But as I'm reading the thread, I'm thinking maybe laptops are still the way to go? I'd love any advice y'all have.
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Luegene Cards posted:Country - US What games do they play, are we talking Roblox and Fortnite, or are these kids playing Cyberpunk 2077? How tech literate are the kids / mom? It's really hard to get games to run well on low-end hardware in general, and takes some tweaking. I'm a freak who loves tweaking games to run acceptably on cheap hardware, so my kids play Minecraft, Bloons TD 6, Roblox, Poly Bridge, some city building games, and a lot more on some china-brand mini-PCs that I bought on Aliexpress for $120 each, but it definitely takes some tweaking to get everything working OK and I don't expect them to last forever. Temper your expectations, this is a small cheap iGPU in a small cheap computer, 720p-900p tops is your friend. https://www.amazon.com/Beelink-i3-8109U-Windows-Computer-Ethernet/dp/B09LV9W4D3 I have three Beelinks doing different stuff in my house. They're good, but prices fluctuate every week and the same PC gets sold for $120-$250 based on the day of the week. At the time I'm linking this, the URL i linked to is an Intel N95 / 16GB DDR4 / 500GB NVME SSD for $140 after coupon. That's pretty good! Mine are about 2 years old and are generations older, with Intel N5095 or N5105 processors that are a good bit slower than this N95. Steam Deck is also a decent option under $500. The only way you're going to get something with a real GPU that's worth anything in that price range is a clearance / refurb / used desktop or laptop that's able to accommodate something like an RX 6600. If you really want to build, I can't even get anything worthwhile under $500 anymore at all new. I didn't look at AMD but you might be able to edge in just under $500 if you give up wi-fi on the motherboard: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i3-12100F 3.3 GHz Quad-Core Processor ($88.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: Gigabyte B760M DS3H AX DDR4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard ($119.99 @ Newegg) Memory: TEAMGROUP Elite 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL22 Memory ($25.99 @ Amazon) Storage: MSI SPATIUM M450 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($27.99 @ Newegg) Video Card: PowerColor Fighter Radeon RX 6600 8 GB Video Card ($199.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master MasterBox Q300L MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($39.99 @ Amazon) Power Supply: Thermaltake Toughpower GX2 600 W 80+ Gold Certified ATX Power Supply ($64.98 @ Amazon) Total: $567.92 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2023-09-29 12:28 EDT-0400 Edit: That doesn't even have a Windows license in there either. Edit again: Oh no, you want monitors included in that $500 budget too? You're in clearance / refurb / used laptop territory unfortunately, or the mini-PC option that I've done. You can get perfectly acceptable 24" 1080p monitors for $100 now, I just have some cheap garbage on mine and they're fine. Twerk from Home fucked around with this message at 16:49 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:The main questions I have at the moment are: 2. There are other options but it's still excellent. You do not need to go with the full tower version to fit your GPU. 3. None of them are going to have inadequate cooling if that's what you're worried about. Go with your heart. 4. If you're primarily playing games, 32gb is the way to go right now. I don't know if Stable Diffusion cares about system RAM as much as VRAM, though. Keep it to 2 sticks either way. If you just picked Samsung SSDs off of brand recognition, I might suggest doing a price check on the WD SN850x. Could maybe save a few bucks and you wouldn't be sacrificing any performance. If Samsung is cheaper then just stick with that.
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HOLY poo poo I FIXED IT!!!! After a bunch of testing I realized it was slowing down all the USB connected devices when using a game client to download or doing something intensive which was indexing files. I then went into Device Manager and went through all the USB Hubs under USB controller and made sure under 'Power Management' that 'Allow the computer to turn off this device to save power' was unchecked. That fixed the issue. So happy.
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This looks solid, my biggest qualm would be the cooler - a 212 would probably be functionally enough for gaming workloads but it'd be running at full blast to keep up with the heat output from a 13th gen i7, for more thermal headroom look for a dual tower cooler like the Scythe Fuma 3, Deepcool AK620, ID-Cooling SE-207-XT, or any of Thermalright's various dual towers (the Peerless Assassin being the most common)
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MechanicalTomPetty posted:This was originally going to be an upgrade to my existing build, but my Dad is in the market for an upgrade and offered to take the old one off my hands; plus I got some money in my pocket so gently caress it, might as well go all the way. I have an RM850x paired with the 7800X3D and 4090, and it works a charm. You definitely don't need the extra room for the 4090, the normal Meshify 2 comes with plenty and the XL model is comically oversized for your needs. There are lots of options for cases, but the Meshify 2 is a pretty good one. If you want the best air-cooled performance full-stop, I'd recommend the Fractal Design Torrent, though. If you're paying extra for the ROG Strix based on some assumptions about performance, then you shouldn't. The ROG Strix will perform maybe just a couple percent better than the cheapest 4090s on the market. The cooler is a step above the rest, but even so, there are MSRP models that are quiet too. My MSI Gaming Trio is well-built and quiet, and my understanding is that the PNY models and Asus' TUF Gaming models are solid too. edit: The only 4090s I'd say to avoid are the Zotac models, unless you have no other option. And it's not like they're bad; their coolers just perform sorta normally while everyone else has ridiculous overkill super quiet coolers. I guess there are some "slim" 4090 models appearing now too, which I wouldn't get unless you are space-constrained (and you're not) Dr. Video Games 0031 fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Sep 30, 2023 |
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if you have a massive air cooler and gpu, just do yourself a favor and go with the torrent. it's got a shitton of air flow and it's super easy to work in, you will have zero worries about fitting anything in it or GPU power cables bunching up against the window. there's like an inch and a half of clearance between the window and my gigabyte 4090 and about an inch above my nh-d15
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Dr Cheeto posted:Country? Hey thanks for building a pc for me, I swapped a couple of things around (switched from artic RGB to plain black and doubled up on the SN770's). I was looking around other builds using that case/mobo and it does look like the 240 liquid coolers should fit nicely overhanging from the top, but I am still a bit nervous about it so let me know how it goes. My current tower is a small prebuilt one (one of those HP's that came with a 1650 super, got it back when cards were super expensive due to bitcoins) and even swapping out the 256 m.2 it came with to something with more storage was a huge pain. I've built several desktops in the past, but all full sized. I like the footprint of my hp though so wanted to stick with a smaller form factor I just don't want it to bite me in the rear end. My only real thought here is whether I should knock off 250 bucks by switching to 4060, to be honest I'm normally not at the cutting edge of game content and it was only with a few games I picked up this year that I started to feel kind of limited by my 1650 super. I've read the OP and it's warning against attempting to future proof your pc but yes that's pretty much the only reason I'd really want/need a 4070 right now so I'm not sure if it's a waste. e: uh monitor questions: 2560 x 1440 120hz, incidentally it's freesync compatible rather than gsync but seems to work fine/well with the current nvidia card I have but maybe that'd point me towards something like a 7800. I dunno if those features even matter in 2023 PoundSand fucked around with this message at 22:07 on Sep 29, 2023 |
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PoundSand posted:My only real thought here is whether I should knock off 250 bucks by switching to 4060, to be honest I'm normally not at the cutting edge of game content and it was only with a few games I picked up this year that I started to feel kind of limited by my 1650 super. I've read the OP and it's warning against attempting to future proof your pc but yes that's pretty much the only reason I'd really want/need a 4070 right now so I'm not sure if it's a waste. With those monitor specs you'd certainly benefit from an RTX 4070 / RX 7800 XT tier card - it's not just graphical niceties, but the smoothness and "feel" of games would be improved a lot With regards to gsync / freesync stuff, if you're freesync compatible then the features work with any brand but some gsync monitors only work with Nvidia cards
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