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Great job on the op dates. Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Hardware Comparison Tools Pilfered Pallbearers posted:22. Do hard disks have any place in a modern computer? quote:Mugen 5 It does have a slightly worse fan than the more expensive fuma 2 in terms of noise level if you let it run at max speeds. The trick here is you don't have to run it at max speed and the cooler performs real well even at low RPM. Arguably it's even more efficient at low rpm than some other designs, but all of the coolers in this category are so close with the newer CPUs that you should really just decide on price & aesthetic. Another cooler that's even cheaper and pretty good is the arctic freezer 34 esports duo. These were a way better deal at $36 than the current $47 price point, but the performance is comparable to the fuma2 at the cost of some noise. Khorne fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Jun 11, 2021 |
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Khorne posted:Another cooler that's even cheaper and ok is the arctic freezer 34 esports duo. These were a way better deal at $36 than the current $47 price point, but the performance is comparable to the fuma2 at the cost of some noise. I have one of these on a 3700X and it idles around 39C on the most sweltering of days. The fan clips are annoying as gently caress but otherwise it's a massive cool bang for buck.
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Khorne posted:Great job on the op dates. Do you have a source for the Mugen stuff?? I haven’t seen that data and I’d like to see a source before considering adding it to the Op.
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Your case cooling may be more of an issue if you idle high and average under load. That would make sense. I try to keep everything as clean as I can but, it's not easy. I'm not in the cleanest part of China, dust builds up everywhere and on everything ridiculously fast. If I kept all the empty cans of compressed air I've gone through I could probably make a cool art project out of them. At least I hope that's the problem, cuz that means I probably didn't gently caress anything up.
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My brother is looking for a new machine now. I don't have time to mess around with the various discord groups (etc.) to get him a card but I have found a bundle with the following:
It's not the system I would have built for him - the CPU isn't great and the RAM is only 3000Ghz but given the current market and the availability of this system I can't see anything fundamentally wrong with this. It's a bundle so it's all or nothing (which means building him a system without a GPU...) Anyone care to weigh in?
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Sorry, that would have been helpful...! £1,600 for all of the above bundle. That's $2,200 at the current rate of exchange, which is a hideous £1=$1.4. Traditionally UK-US comparisons for tech work out about 1:1 so $1,600 might be a better comparison.
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I would add a note to the OP about Windows licenses being tied to the MOBO; just realized my version is again unactivated after switching over.
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I thought the 10400 was the sweet spot for last gen budget builds? What changed?
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Bouchehog posted:Sorry, that would have been helpful...! I’m British, I just wrote the dollar because most itf aren’t. Erm, adding up those parts separately comes to about £1300 because the motherboard is one of those absurdly expensive £300 jobs, so in this market that’s not too bad at all. You’re right in that those parts wouldn’t be the first choices in a normal market but they’re not bad. Have you checked cyberpower uk to see what kind of system you can build there in the same price range? Alternatively, you could build around the 11400 which is a readily available excellent midrange option and pick exactly what other parts you want, and get by on the integrated graphics until you can snag a GPU.
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Bouchehog posted:Sorry, that would have been helpful...! It’s high, but not unreasonable given the current market state. If you post a link we can judge a little better if the listing is any good. change my name posted:I would add a note to the OP about Windows licenses being tied to the MOBO; just realized my version is again unactivated after switching over. Yeah, I can clarify that. I also think MS will sometimes hop the key if you contact them but they’re so cheap it’s not usually worth it. Collateral posted:I thought the 10400 was the sweet spot for last gen budget builds? What changed? No, the 10400 is pretty value compared to a 3600. The 11400 is quite good though, especially at its current price point.
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Bouchehog posted:My brother is looking for a new machine now. I don't have time to mess around with the various discord groups (etc.) to get him a card but I have found a bundle with the following: Guess this is from Scan? The bundles seem pretty overpriced and they do prebuilds that cost the same. It's not available now but I saw this one was ready to buy now earlier on today with delivery tomorrow, so it might be worth keeping an eye out on it. https://www.scan.co.uk/products/3xs-gamer-icue-rtx-intel-core-i5-11600k-16gb-ddr4-8gb-nvidia-rtx-3070-1tb-m2-ssd-win-10
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Phew, bought a mini fan header to 2 fan splitter and now my migration to an ITX case is finally complete: PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 3600 3.6 GHz 6-Core Processor (Purchased For $200.00) CPU Cooler: ARCTIC Freezer 34 eSports CPU Cooler (Purchased For $40.00) Motherboard: Gigabyte B550I AORUS PRO AX Mini ITX AM4 Motherboard (Purchased For $180.00) Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (Purchased For $60.00) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (Purchased For $54.99) Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 8 GB Founders Edition Video Card (Purchased For $1000.00) Case: NZXT H210 Mini ITX Tower Case (Purchased For $50.00) Power Supply: Corsair RM (2019) 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Purchased For $90.00) Case Fan: Noctua S12B redux-1200 PWM 59.1 CFM 120 mm Fan (Purchased For $13.00) A crappy pic:  Temps are fine, obviously way worse than in the H500. I tried Control maxed with ray tracing and the GPU instantly shot up to 78 but never went any higher than that, CPU stayed below 60 (would likely be better if I could fit a top fan in, it's a no-go with the cooler in place). I picked up 32gb of white Corsair RGB RAM for super cheap on Ebay but I doubt it'll fit so I might just flip it on SA Mart when it arrives, oh well. Now I'm done forever! I'm finally free!
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Great OP, everything a person could want to know about building as of June 2021! Maybe add a mention for the key-sellers on SAMart, so no one pays more than $15 for Win10? I almost fell for that trap! 
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i would also give a slightly dissenting opinion on HDDs? people get this really, really twisted because they remember the dark ages of loading a game off the same drive your OS is running from. this is a bad idea - any drive your OS is running from is constantly reading/writing system files, and since that takes up an adequate-to-significant amount of your bandwidth of course it means games take for loving ever to load. don't configure your poo poo like this, OS on the fastest drive and games somewhere else. because, and this is really important, the primary bottleneck when loading a game specifically is typically CPU, not your storage. the game pulls all the compressed data from your disk, HDD or SDD, decompresses it into something your engine can process and you're away. which is to say you hit the "ceiling" with load speed very quickly- you can throw the fanciest NVME 3D nand high tech whatever you want at it, it can only address part of the problem - it won't let your chip decompress those files any faster. this is why the difference between game load time of SATA SSDs, SATA m.2 and SATA NVME are borderline identical despite on paper them having a massive gap. for this reason quick smaller SSD + big old HDD is a very good price/performance sweet spot. move anything you get a competitive advantage loading in faster after a crash (eg Apex) and whatever else you play a lot, and stick your older stuff on a barracuda or something. again so long as it's not also doing something else, like hosting the OS or doing a gigantic transfer or something, a HDD in this config ain't bad and is very kind to your wallet.
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CoolCab posted:i would also give a slightly dissenting opinion on HDDs? people get this really, really twisted because they remember the dark ages of loading a game off the same drive your OS is running from. this is a bad idea - any drive your OS is running from is constantly reading/writing system files, and since that takes up an adequate-to-significant amount of your bandwidth of course it means games take for loving ever to load. don't configure your poo poo like this, OS on the fastest drive and games somewhere else. I went this route, because I have a lot of media that I want to store on my computer. But, in general, anything you want backed up should be in multiple locations (which means cloud storage) and games aren't so big that you can't install more than you can play on a 1TB drive for another few years... So, most people will have their needs more than met by a 1TB NVME drive, or at worst a 2TB or dual drives. If you need more than 2TB of storage, platters are the only cost-effective solution, but I wouldn't recommend it for gaming. They are also very loud...my 4TB platter drive is the loudest single component in my rig... 
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Does anybody know where I can buy a Hardware Labs Nemesis GTS 280mm radiator in new condition? Also in black. I found one place on ebay, but they don't ship to the US at all. I'm beginning to wonder if the 280mm is even still in production.
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Microcenter near me has the i9-10850K for $300... would that be a good idea to use in an ITX build? If so, would it be wise to air cool it as well? [edit] Building PC for someone either in a Meshlicious or Cougar QBX, still haven't decided yet. [edit] Adding, they have a 3060 Ti on deck, and RAM will be ported over from their old system. Gaming on 1440p 144Hz displays. They also run a bunch of sneaker bots, so unsure how that factors in. I guess that's more RAM related; they have a 3200MHz 64GB kit in use right now, and I'll be bringing that over into the new build. teagone fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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teagone posted:sneaker bots jfc
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They're one of those sneaker heads that always needs those rare drops or whatever. They're crazy, lol. Always buying two pairs, one to keep in box the other to wear. I don't get it, personally.
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I always buy shoes two or three pairs at a time. But that's because it's hard for me to find a pair I really like, so it could be 2-3 years before I find a new model that I like. And my shoes can get worn out in a year or two.
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Nike realised ages ago if you keep replacing popular shoes that people will buy more of a new shoe at once if they like them out of fear that they’ll never get restocked without warning.
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OP CHANGELOG - Reformatted the FAQ list. It looks different, but this makes it much easier to add additional sections. - Fixed section regarding ram max limits. - added Thermal paste and you! section to the FAQ. - Added parts to avoid list (included NZXT H1). All other feedback will make its way eventually.
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Question about budget builds, and budget CPUs. What are the best couple CPU choices under say $210? I'm in the US, looking to replace an i5 2500k rig from 2012. It's been having a couple issues lately, and I figured 9 years is pushing my luck. But looking for either a budget build (that friends may put together - they built my last one) or may go for a prebuilt etc. Either way, I'd like the total to be under say $850 before tax. Including hard drives etc and $110 for Windows, but can leave the GPU out for now and use my old 970. I have no complaints about the speed of the i5 2500k, and I'm looking to be frugal. I don't need a current or future proof gaming PC, and this could be an interim rig for a few years. So wanna go intentionally mediocre for gaming, but smooth for multitasking, web browsing, futureproof only for playing 4K video files or whatever. So on budget CPUs, is the i5 10400 as good a deal as it seems? I look at it vs 2500k on that user benchmarks site, and it says it's a lot better. And the price is superb. Plus it has an iGPU they say is good for video etc. Says it's 17% faster effectively, and ranked 68th instead of 237th. I'm open to AMD options as well. https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-2500K-vs-Intel-Core-i5-10400/619vs4073 When I showed that to friend they were razzing me, and wanted to put a $300 Ryzen in there. Which is fun, but I tell ya, I just like the idea of beating a topnotch PC from 9 years ago with a bargain bin price. And I'd go from 8gb to 16GB of ram, up my 64GB SSD to 256 or 512, and 4TB of storage. So with those, a decent name-brand power supply, good air cooling, simple case, a reliable motherboard, can that be done under $850? Don't need an exact build or anything, but if similar sample builds are around or you dig messing with the part picker, I'd be curious to see. And also thoughts on budget CPUs and budget to mid-range parts in general. Since understandably everybody says not to go with a Dell or HP etc, but it feels like they can cram a lot of value into the the 900 or under range. Though if they fail I know it's a pain. Just messing with part picker, it seems tough to make a cheap but good PC, with my preferred storage and ram etc, to the layman here.
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Heavy Metal posted:Question about budget builds, and budget CPUs. What are the best couple CPU choices under say $210? I love the i5 2500K so much and always love hearing about it still running  I started a build around a Ryzen 5 3600, but then I realized I don't know if you have a discrete graphics card. So, I assumed you did not have one and switched to the i5-10400 and came up well under your $850 budget. I have to admit I don't know what would be a good CPU cooler and motherboard, but these should be decent and work well for you. PCPartPicker Part List CPU: Intel Core i5-10400 2.9 GHz 6-Core Processor ($164.99 @ Best Buy) CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg) Motherboard: MSI Z490-A PRO ATX LGA1200 Motherboard ($179.99 @ Best Buy) Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg) Storage: Western Digital Blue SN550 500 GB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($54.99 @ Amazon) Storage: Western Digital Blue 4 TB 3.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive ($89.99 @ Western Digital) Case: NZXT H510 ATX Mid Tower Case ($65.98 @ Amazon) Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA GA 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply ($58.00 @ Amazon) Total: $728.92 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2021-06-13 01:26 EDT-0400
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:I love the i5 2500K so much and always love hearing about it still running Thanks, that rocks, much appreciated! Just messed with it a bit (I don't know what I'm doing), tentatively an Asrock motherboard since a friend likes that brand, and a Corsair case. That just raises it from $728.92 to $752.93. And adding Windows 10 makes it $861.71. Also that particular power supply is $110 from newegg, the lower price is just from an Amazon reseller (maybe no warranty?). So if I went with that one from a usual seller, that'd make the total about $912. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Lupin3TMNTPizza/saved/RWxdHx Which is very cool. Still not cheap exactly, but good to know. And might just make this or similar an idea to go with. I could get a comparable setup from Dell or HP for that price (with their support "best price" deals etc), just with 2TB instead of 4TB, and they throw in a 1650 Super etc. Granted, they'd have those less quality proprietary parts. Just interesting to note that it seems while you could build a better quality one, it doesn't seem to get much cheaper than those companies for similar specs. Heavy Metal fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jun 13, 2021 |
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HappyCapybaraFamily posted:I love the i5 2500K so much and always love hearing about it still running The 11400 is better in every way, and even better than the Ryzen 3600 while still being cheaper. IMO it’s absolutely worth the extra $20. https://www.bestbuy.com/site/intel-...p?skuId=6452218 AMD has not released a CPU in this product category yet under Zen 3 (and they may or may not), so Ryzen can not compete at this price point. This build is pretty good otherwise. If you go 11400, just double check mobo compatibility, and make sure you don’t get an F sku if you need onboard GPU.
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Heavy Metal posted:Thanks, that rocks, much appreciated! Just messed with it a bit (I don't know what I'm doing), tentatively an Asrock motherboard since a friend likes that brand, and a Corsair case. That just raises it from $728.92 to $752.93. And adding Windows 10 makes it $861.71. Also that particular power supply is $110 from newegg, the lower price is just from an Amazon reseller (maybe no warranty?). So if I went with that one from a usual seller, that'd make the total about $912. Buy a key from Lodge North on SA Mart. They’re $15. I’d be wary of a random Amazon seller being 50% cheaper and not getting a genuine part. let me look for something that’ll be worth it.
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https://www.bestbuy.com/site/season...p?skuId=6414269 If you want cheap now this is a loving amazing price. If you don’t intend to buy in the future anything better than a 3060 class video card you should 100% buy this. This is one of the best PSU deals I’ve seen in a year. If you want something heftier, look at the table on the first comment of this post for the coupon codes. https://reddit.com/r/buildapcsales/comments/nxaphl/psu_newegg_has_seasonic_deals_back_again_gm650/
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That all sounds cool to me. Thanks!
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Pilfered Pallbearers posted:Also really looking for some recommended builds if anyone has one, as well as individual parts. Mid range ITX build (~$1300) Mid/High end ITX build (~$1500) High end ITX build (~$1700) Enthusiast/gently caress money ITX build(~$2200)
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Heavy Metal posted:Thanks, that rocks, much appreciated! Just messed with it a bit (I don't know what I'm doing), tentatively an Asrock motherboard since a friend likes that brand, and a Corsair case. That just raises it from $728.92 to $752.93. And adding Windows 10 makes it $861.71. Also that particular power supply is $110 from newegg, the lower price is just from an Amazon reseller (maybe no warranty?). So if I went with that one from a usual seller, that'd make the total about $912. https://pcpartpicker.com/list/8JPzVc Just to iterate on what you've been told already, your use case described the 11400 almost perfectly so you'd be mad not to build around that. I've modified your build to include that, along with a better CPU cooler (easier to mount), CL16 instead of CL18 RAM and twice the NVMe SSD storage capacity (you'll be grateful for this). Go with that PSU Pilfered Pallbearers linked, get a Windows key from SAMart and you're all set for under $850.
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Thanks! That's all good to know, good stuff.
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Had added this to my wishlist awhile ago but it's on sale on amazon. WD blue 2TB NVMe drive for $200, usually $220. Not in stock but looks like it will be soon. Check other sellers, sold and shipped by amazon vs. WD. I still don't need the space so I'm not buying today, but maybe other folks might be looking for a deal. https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B08K4NP5DQ/?coliid=I13C1CZ0R7X3R2&colid=MQI0YX933T5T&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
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Fabulousity posted:DO NOT mix modular cabling between different power supply manufacturers even if they fit. DO NOT even mix modular cabling between different models from the same manufacturer. The poo poo on the PSU side isn't standardized. I have successfully moved cables between some Corsair PSUs to fit into awkward cases, but only after double-checking Corsair's documentation. If the manufacturer doesn't publish that information, don't do it. It's especially bad because even some reputable brands are actually buying OEM PSUs from different suppliers, so you can't trust them to match.
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Hello goon world, Thinking of purchasing a pre-build PC mainly for gaming (COD warzone) and perhaps entertainment (streaming films etc) - ideally this would last me at least a couple of years without the need for a major refurbishment / upgrade. My current gaming rig is a base PS4, so hoping for a reasonable upgrade to at least my gaming FPS and experience. Have my eyes on this one in particular, any thoughts? [url] https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/produc...x-3070/15397183[/url] Note that I am in Canada (QC) and would rather go for a pre-build than parts unless there is a considerable price differential. Also this price is probably the most I would like to spend at the moment. Thanks in advance! EDIT - fixed link, apologies! ndnikola fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jun 14, 2021 |
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ndnikola posted:Hello goon world, Link is bad
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ndnikola posted:Hello goon world, I fixed your link: https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/produc...x-3070/15397183 I live in the US so I have no idea how moonies work, I'll let someone else answer on that - but with a 3070 you should be good for a few years as long as you stick to 1080p/1440p.
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https://reddit.com/r/bapcsalescanada/comments/nhfoa9/sus_rog_strix_g15dk_gaming_pc_black_amd_ryzen/ Seems like it was $2199 a few weeks ago. Also seems pretty bad. Itx board, 1 stick ram @CL22 (holt poo poo that exists?), terrible cooler and PSU. If you have no other option it’s probably fine. But that price sucks for those garbage components. GNs latest prebuilt video showed that having only one stick of ram could knock your performance back by like 10%. And cl22 at 3200 is horrible.
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