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Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Toot
Ride
Walking. Link incoming.

No link needed, sklurb knows me. We've got history. It gets longer as he sends up Gloria Victis and Super Magbot!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 18:46 on Jun 24, 2021

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Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Well well well
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Trading Covid Stories with Ningoy and Song of the Deep and Outland got sent up!

And Avenger is Avenger and Avenged Himself by sending...down...Shadow Empire.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Jun 24, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
It's a good day to ride hard
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch

anilehilated sent up Little Nightmares 2 so that I can have creepy dreams for the next few days huzzah!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jun 25, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Whatup train
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch

Aaaaahhhh so much heresy! The entire Inquisitor Collection!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 19:01 on Jun 25, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Yeah let's do this.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Huzzah! sklurb sent up Heidelberg 1693 *and* Industries of Titan! The train goes on.


Along with that - about regional pricing: There's two good tips to keep in mind, in my experience.

The first is *region* stuff - this *definitely* applies to Europe, but I wouldn't be surprised to see it applying to NA, for example. In the case of Europe, there's such a clusterfuck of economic agreements and treaties and open trade stuff that even though not everyone uses the Euro - if you're in Europe, you can probably gift without exchange-rate worries, even if the currency differences are wild.

The second is *continental* stuff - sending from NA to EU to Isreal to AU/NZ, etc. This is where pain and suffering enters the picture. Use SteamDB, set your currency, sort by converted price, and then find the giftee's currency - it'll tell you the converted price and percentage difference. The cutoff is *around* 10%, but I'd swear without evidence that it can float around, higher or lower, depending on precise title. Now, if the giftee's price is *lower* than yours, you're probably good to go - Steam seems totally fine with huge 30% differentials, so long as they are on the money-making side of the equation. If the giftee's price is *higher*, then you're probably going to want to either take a look at other games on the wishlist, or use a tool like Is There Any Deal to see if you can pick up a steam key from something like Humble (who often runs sales in parallel with Steam).

It's advisable that if you are thinking of a ride, and the last poster isn't from your region, you may want to take a quick look at the top handful of items on their wishlist and see if there's something that works before hopping on. There's a reason why the train sometimes hits a speedbump during region-transitions between riders :v:

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jun 26, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Far, far too long has passed.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Aumanor has graciously sent up Othercide and I seal the pact by promising that with an indefinite deadline I shall play it and report back to him. If I remember. If.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 13:13 on Jun 26, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Payback before bedtime - if we somehow aren't already trainbuds, I'll add you in the morning.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

So Kuule! I now have Colony Ship - A Post-Earth RPG

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Jun 27, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Brewday complete, time to ride.
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loving hell, Resident Evil Village! Time for anime mods!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Jun 27, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Done haven't hit Sao yet this year, I think?
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I'm surrounded by MONSTERS after Katreus sent up Monster Sanctuary and Journey To The Savage Planet!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Jun 27, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Giving the boilers some :coal:
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Ferrosol sent up GRIFTLANDS - which is great because I've been looking for another deckbuilder. Or ten. To maybe play someday.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 08:21 on Jun 28, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Thus, payback time.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

The Sojourn has been sent and received! Thank you Nokia!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Jun 28, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Choo!
Welp, Avenger sniped me, now I gotta ride.

https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Holy poo poo Myschef wants me to prove that I can still read - he sent up both Vagrus and Sir Brante!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 08:30 on Jun 30, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Oh is *that* how we're doing things?
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gschmidl has enabled my desire to roleplay Joe Simpson by sending up Insurmountable!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 10:15 on Jun 30, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Payback!
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Katreus slamming along with more theme-gifting - apparently I'm too robotic, and thus need to learn the value of 7 billion humans by becoming the pedestrian in the great human resource machine

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jun 30, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

Wanderer posted:

Yeah, I was having trouble with the gifting because I'm American and Saoshyant is in Portugal, so I can't actually buy anything for them on Steam due to the currency exchange rule.

I'd put in a DM to Nettle Soup for clarification.

USD Prices, percent difference relative to Euro.

When The Past Was Around: 5.99 (+2.38%)
Anchorhead: 9.99 (+3.01%)
Jet Lancer: 9.89 (+1.36%)
OMORI: 15.99 (+0.55%)
Elegant Impermanence: 9.09 (+1.95%)
Dakka Squadron: 12.99 (+0.55%)
Endless Legend: 7.49 (+1.37%)

Edit: OMORI is no longer on Sao's wishlist, as I just sent it. Sharing is caring.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 07:51 on Jul 2, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
You know what, gently caress it, official ride as well.
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The Gassy Knight has graced me with While true; learn() and Wildermyth!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jul 2, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Heyo! Someone I haven't gifted yet!
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The Kuule Hain thanks me, but he started it by rando-gifting Underrail: Expeditions - so I can finally get around to playing the game at all :P

Danjal sent up Dredgers and Rogue Empire! Welcome, first time(i think?) train rider!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 17:13 on Jul 3, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Heyo, I owe you!
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SA_Avenger is god drat good people - CK3: Northern Lords (:toot:) and Roguebook!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jul 3, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
CHOO CHOO
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Payback from Goodguy3 in the form of BUG SHOOTER FIFTH EDITION

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 19:41 on Jul 3, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Who's that? A face I haven't gifted yet?!
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Bad News Panda has sent up Lender Kellies Quiet Nights!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 4, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
PACIFIC TIMEZONE SLACKING, TIME TO UNBLOCK THE TRAIN.
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EUROTIME STRONK: Avenger sent up Wasteland 3!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jul 5, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
FRESH MEAT
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

AAAaaaaa, from the fiery saunas of the north comes Atom RPG and Spirit Hunter: Death Mark

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Jul 5, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
WHERE MY HOBBITS AT?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:


Aaaaaaaaaaa, Strix sent up Per Aspera - which looks fantastic!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 15:04 on Jul 6, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
How the hell is a Finn getting shot 2 before I get shot 1?
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Giftbombed by Sao! Amnesia Rebirth, Orwell: Ignorance is Strength, and Wait! Life is Beautiful!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 18:22 on Jul 6, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
No brakes, no mercy.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Avenger slapped back with Persona 5 Strikers!



///// OH BOY TRAIN DRAMA

Xander77 posted:

On my end, both Bloodstained 2 and Cat Quest are priced at 33 NIS (10$) each. Dex is 7 NIS, or 2$. Neither game is currently part of a bundle. As to gifted games having been in bundles at any point in time - we can have this conversation in private (on steam or via PMs).

I suspect the point was made publicly, in the thread on the topic, for the precisely reason that it shouldn't be a private conversation - it should be one made public. There's the letter of the law and the spirit of the law, and it's the breaching of the latter that is being pointed out.

It's also a weird point to be made by someone who curates a wishlist that is either brand new releases or a handful of below-minimum, never-been-bundled, steam-exclusive games - effectively insulating oneself from being treated in like manner to how they want to treat others.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 12:02 on Jul 7, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Can't post without a ride. Otherwise I go to train jail. You gotta choose between the engines and the cabooses in there. Don't wanna end up a caboose. That's for sure. Their livery is for life.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Strix with Masquerada and Urtuk! Thank you!





Xander77 posted:

My wishlist probably doesn't have a lot of games that are in bundles, yeah. If game I want is in a bundle, I buy it, and it's no longer on my wishlist. Obviously.

The other part is outright nonsense - I consistently wishlist games that are either the exact train ride minimum or add up to the exact minimum. Added a couple during this sale precisely because my wishlist grew dangerously short of cheap games.

You have 2 items anywhere near minimum. And a few others that, combined, won't equate to minimum and thus would require supplementation.

And the entire point, which you are continuing to deftly ignore, is letter of the law vs. spirit of the law. At a glance, I've got spare keys for things going for $15-20 now - but they are keys I have had for 5+ years, because those games despite being old have bottomed out a bit in price, or are held up due to finally being out of EA. But they're also big titles, not indie hopefuls like Cat Quest that fill out all-you-can-eat-for-$10 bundles. Still wouldn't like using that as the basis for an entire ride, just because the publisher has given up paying some analyst to figure out the ideal discount this season, and just defaulted out to -30% because hey, whatever, old title maybe we'll make a few more bucks on it.

Look, I'm going to concede immediately, as I have done implicitly both in this post and the previous one - you have followed the rules - but what is being pointed out here is the perceived violation of a communal understanding. It's a breach of *etiquette*, not *law*.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 15:26 on Jul 7, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Aaa payback
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Birdman sent up the low-res bundle of MORBID: THE SEVEN ACOLYTES and OLIJA

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jul 7, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Payback is my middle name. oval office Payback Unch. That's me.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

AAAAAAAAAAAAA, surrounded on all sides, you fiends! Anilehilated fires back with EVERSPACE 2!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 7, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
DRIVEN BY KARMA, I RIDE
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Woo, Dungeons of Edera from Serperoth!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 10:49 on Jul 8, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
Aaaaa it's Zetsubou gotta sieze the opportunity!
https://steamcommunity.com/id/cuntpunch :norway:

Avenger backstabbed me! He conceded this morning and now he's gifting me Frozenheim and Necromunda: Hired Gun. The mountebank!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jul 8, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
I HAVE WAITED ALL TRAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY
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Prosistenceus came up from Goodguy! AAAAAA so lovely to see the train in motion in the final hours!

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 8, 2021

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
I TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES OF THIS RIDE
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Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
A HUGE WILD THANK YOU TO ALL RIDERS

For me, this train is like a bi-annual event - and it wouldn't be possible without all of you.

I want to take a special, huge shoutout for the year. The generosity has been utterly loving ridiculous this year - with the average person riding FIVE TIMES and gifting over 250% of the minimum. That's you all right there, digging deep and making this an amazing experience.

I also want to shout out to the new riders that took a dive and jumped in - I hope you all come back during the winter sale!

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

SA_Avenger posted:

The high average seems to suggest we could raise the minimum to 15$ without issue if all aggree.

I suggest we just ditch weird attempts to keep currencies in order - and just standardize around either USD or Euro - guess math says we're 50/50 split - and set a minimum of yeah, around that.

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
I have multiple people asking me privately to weigh in, and I have promised I will, and so I shall.



We, the train, are a community that exists within the greater forums community surrounding us. But unlike our parent community, the power structures in our community are by consensus, rather than anyone having actual tools of power. Nettle is the figurehead of the train, because we have all agreed it should be so. And when there is talk of some other group, in tones ranging from positive (those who help her) to negative (THE TRAIN WATCH) - those roles are also not by decree from Nettle, but through community consensus, if they exist at all. It is all of us who must decide what this train is, and what we want it to be. For my part, I adore this tradition and it is a biannual highlight of the year for me, as it has been for 5 years.

There is, however, a weakness in the very nature of this community and this tradition - it isn't uncommon in such things; I imagine all of us are familiar with it from our friend groups: but the circular generosity system requires just a tiny suspension of disbelief from participants. In broadly trying to do well, and accept at face value that others are doing the same, such that if we feel slighted we still say thank you and avoid confrontation because - especially around the holidays - it's just somewhat against the vibe of things to shake things up. I myself hate it - I hate needing to point out when someone has gone under the minimum - it's awkward and oftentimes it really does just seem easier to smile and move on. We hardly see these sort of breaches of the minimum rule these days, and they tend to be immediately corrected, because we as a community are looking out for each other.

But as a community with the thinnest of rules, we have a lot of unspoken assumptions, a lot of things that are just impossibly hard to pin down and put in some great book of TRAIN LAW. I think this is what we are discussing with regards to Xander.

For example: 5 years ago when the minimum was $5 - the average ride was a touch over double that. This time it was $10 - and the average is still a touch over double that. While some of that might be explained by the fact that we have a pretty solid core of familiar faces on the train, I think some of it is just human nature. We want to do better than the minimum, but not so much better that we're 'out' enormous amounts of money if the next person has the same understanding we do. No shame there, it makes sense.

Likewise, it makes sense when a newcomer joins the train and rides the minimum - realizing that it's basically playing Steam-wishlist-roulette. But they almost inevitably receive far, far more than the minimum as a welcome. And I can understand them riding again, maybe the minimum, or maybe dipping their toes into increasing generosity - and they will tend to see that once again the generosity is real. The damnably difficult thing about that cycle is trying to define that impossibly vague line between "doing their part" and "gaming the system" - I don't know that it can reasonably be done in a way that would satisfy all parties.

But I feel like we can all agree that if someone rides 6 times, at the 'low end' of the spectrum, almost all of us would feel better about their karmic status if they had simply ridden half as much for twice as much. Even though that isn't against the rules. It makes sense - but I don't know that any of us can precisely define exactly why it makes sense or at what point. Only that it does. Hell, last year's summer train, I had a discussion with an old-vet and regular, who told me that for years they had gamed the system and the awareness and guilt of it was weighing on them and they were steadfast they would make amends. And they have, and they did, and you know who you are and I cannot describe my respect for that honesty and that act of earnest redemption. (And the same to you as well, Strix, another person who has done the same!)


I do not buy into Xander's arguments, and indeed I find them to deftly rhetorical - but a shell game of logic. I think we can all agree that there is an implicit value, beyond the strict monetary value, in modern titles - for example. So let us start there:

This train, Xander on average gave games that were 4 year old, but received games 1 year old.
And last winter: Gave 4 year old games, but got current games.
And last summer: Gave 5 year old games, but got year-old games.

But this obscures one other fact: In all cases - he sent 3 games, and received on average 1.

So put these together: He sends a handful of old games, which add up to somewhere above the minimum - and gets a brand new game in return. Is this breaking any rules? No. But I think we can all understand that this is a violation of the spirit of things. In the same way that 6 minimum rides are worse than 3 'double' rides.

He may cry out that it is unfair to have pointed out that these are $1 bundle games - because they are worth $10 on Steam right now - but are we to be taken for fools? This is clear evidence of not ignorance, but rather premeditation. Of avoiding the heart of the point to play at naivety about the point being made. It's gaming the math and gaming the system to create maximum return on investment. Consider this:
CONTROL was $16 during the summer sale. It was also part of Humble Choice earlier this year - meaning lots of keys floating around for it. But it is a high profile title from 2020. Meanwhile, all 3 STALKER games - from a decade ago - are $6 a piece: $18 in total. Is it really so confusing why one of these is a more obviously spirited gift? Which one would almost anyone reading this *want* - if all 4 were on our wishlist?

I am tired, like sklurb, with having fellow riders be treated like dogs under the table - being fed scraps and being told that it is better than going hungry. But I don't get to make this decision: all of us get to make this decision. And I hope we can all agree that this sort of year-after-year, ride-after-ride behavior is unacceptable and that continued participation on his part will require the same changes of behavior that others have made.

Cuntpunch fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jul 10, 2021

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Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings
The train rolls onwards towards Christmas. Stock up the wishlists and invite your friends, we'll be back on the air in 6 months!

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