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Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan is probably my favorite Star Trek movie... But Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home is the best. https://i.imgur.com/Qi14EZ9.mp4 EDIT: SidneyIsTheKiller posted:New thread title because as wonderful as "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" is, "THE VOYAGE HOME: Star Trek IV" is even better! SidneyIsTheKiller fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jul 25, 2021 |
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The Purest of the Star Trek Movies A lot's been said about this breakout smash for the Star Trek movies over the years since its release, including the common misconception that Star Trek IV represents a major departure for the series. On the contrary, 'The Voyage Home' may well be the most purely "Star Trek" of all the films: our heroes are on a mission specifically to seek out new lifeforms in a strange civilization using teamwork, logic, crazy technology, wits, and a little bit of Kirk swagger to solve galaxy-threatening problems and learn a little something in the process, all while boldly going where no one (certainly in the 23rd century) had gone before. What's also great is that rather than becoming dated, the movie only gets funnier over the years. It used to be "the crew time travels to the present day." Now the plot is "the crew time travels to the 80s!"
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Jul 3, 2021 05:30
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(https://ew.com/article/2016/05/20/star-trek-iv-voyage-home-leonard-nimoy/) Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home is pure, joyful cinema There’s no obvious comparison in movie history for Star Trek: the Voyage Home, not many time travel message movies about family and friends and the fear that we’re all doomed because of sins in the past, and how that fear will always crash like waves against the shore of the eternal human hope that it’s not too late, that we can change. But there is that famous story about heavenly visitors and time travel, a myth about how any person can change a dark-sad future into a happy-better one, a parable that argues that the great heroic act of existence is being an engaged part of a community. So maybe The Voyage Home is our new A Christmas Carol. Maybe Ebenezer Scrooge can save Tiny Tim; maybe the Earth isn’t doomed; maybe, in 2286, whales will still be swimming through oceans unrisen; maybe our descendants will be here, too, in this world someone saved for them. Probe bless us, every one.
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Jul 3, 2021 05:42
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https://twitter.com/azula/status/1006954105670119424 I think we all know who to thank for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7tdgD-LQ2hc
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Jul 3, 2021 05:52
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Star Trek: Whale Movie is indeed the best. Reasons why:
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Jul 3, 2021 07:24
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Fun fact: Star Trek IV had the biggest box office debut of 1986, grossing $25,402,366 over Thanksgiving weekend.
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Jul 3, 2021 08:14
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Star Trek IV's most serious, darkest moment goes by so quickly you don't even realize it at first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_0S0ZJCLhs&t=399squote:Gillian : What are you talking about? I'm coming with you.  One of the movie's triumphs is how it handles the character of Gillian Taylor. A lesser film would have made her a self-pitying bookworm who loves whales because she doesn't have the social skills to make human connections, and then falls in love with Admiral Kirk who helps her realize her self-worth by whisking her and the whales away on a fantastic sci-fi adventure and they live happily ever after. But in Star Trek IV, Gillian is a badass. She's utterly selfless, committed her life to helping others ("sucker for hard-luck cases"), sees right through Kirk's bullshit, slaps her idiot co-worker, and eventually saves the whales and the entire planet! That the 20th century has no place for such a person and considers her to be a "loser" is such a damning indictment on modern society. Oh, and the cherry on top is at the end when we see that Gillian's been playing Kirk as much as he's been playing her:  To the friend zone you go, Kirk! 
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Jul 3, 2021 09:00
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Star Trek IV's most serious, darkest moment goes by so quickly you don't even realize it at first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_0S0ZJCLhs&t=399s BTW, is this the only time Kirk actually says "Scotty, beam me up?"
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Jul 3, 2021 09:03
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I haven't seen this one! I got to the end of "Search for Spock" and thought "That's probably enough original Star Trek movies for now"!
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Jul 3, 2021 09:46
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josh04 posted:I haven't seen this one! I got to the end of "Search for Spock" and thought "That's probably enough original Star Trek movies for now"! If you recall the "stealing the Enterprise" sequence in that one, The Voyage Home pretty much hits that same vibe and runs with it for the entire movie, so that might help you gauge how well you'll jibe with the flick.
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Jul 3, 2021 10:07
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As a kid, this was one of my favorite films and the only Star Trek film we had on VHS. I should buy a 4k version of it.
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Jul 3, 2021 17:02
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A double dumb rear end on you!
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Jul 3, 2021 18:00
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wdarkk posted:As a kid, this was one of my favorite films and the only Star Trek film we had on VHS. I don't think any of the original Star Trek movies are actually available in 4K yet (maybe on digital?)
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Jul 3, 2021 19:24
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I was always dissapointed that the TNG movies never tried something silly like this. There's plenty of fun you could have had with the TNG crew in the 90s. Like Worf and Data wind up watching a slasher movie, Data is confused and spends to movie trying to understand why people find the films entertaining. Worf of the other hand is extremely offended, it turns outs killing an enemy while he's having sex is a huge no-no in Klingon culture.
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Jul 3, 2021 19:28
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Star Trek Insurrection suddenly made a lot more sense to me when I learned that one of their goals early in production was indeed "Star Trek IV for the TNG cast." Though it's a bit odd because First Contact was already pretty much a cross between Star Trek IV and Aliens (coincidentally the other big sci-fi hit of 1986).
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Jul 3, 2021 20:45
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The Wrath of Khan is still a better movie, and a better Star Trek story, than The Voyage Home
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Jul 3, 2021 21:35
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II was the best serious Trek and IV was the best fun romp Trek.
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Jul 4, 2021 20:38
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David D. Davidson posted:I was always dissapointed that the TNG movies never tried something silly like this. There's plenty of fun you could have had with the TNG crew in the 90s. Voyager went to the 90's. It was..... It was the 90's. 
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Jul 4, 2021 22:13
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Animal-Mother posted:Voyager went to the 90's. It was..... It was the 90's. Janeway in a power suit... Yeah, there was just no other way that was going to go, was there? EDIT Beltran looking like discount rack Miami Vice, poor bastard.
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Jul 4, 2021 22:59
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Can’t be. The 90s would be a ravaged hellscape of the Eugenics War
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Jul 4, 2021 23:34
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Star Trek IV's most serious, darkest moment goes by so quickly you don't even realize it at first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_0S0ZJCLhs&t=399s This scene is one where they got lucky in-universe that they didn't get blended together into some abomination by the transporter.
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Jul 5, 2021 00:30
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Somewhere on a BBS in 1985-86 there is some nerd furious that Star Trek would dare do a goofy romp of a movie and on that BBS someone is digitally pimp-slapping him by reminding him about 1930s Gangster Planet on TOS.
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Jul 5, 2021 22:03
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:Star Trek Insurrection suddenly made a lot more sense to me when I learned that one of their goals early in production was indeed "Star Trek IV for the TNG cast." Though it's a bit odd because First Contact was already pretty much a cross between Star Trek IV and Aliens (coincidentally the other big sci-fi hit of 1986).
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Jul 5, 2021 22:03
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I agree. Almost every single Trek movie is so dense with fan service that they're borderline unwatchable unless you've seen and enjoyed enough of the series' to 'get it'. The Voyage Home and - maybe even moreso - First Contact do a lot of work to be accessible and maybe even endearing to the casual viewers. This is an angle I hadn't considered but you're absolutely right. A huge point in the movie's favour.
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Jul 6, 2021 06:52
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I want to thank the subtitles for including "YOU POMPOUS rear end!" I never noticed it before. Speaking of which, am I crazy or did the Klingon ambassador go from being a taller black dude in Star Trek 4 to a short fat white dude in Star Trek 6 despite being the same actor?
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Jul 10, 2021 15:19
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I am weirdly obsessed with seeing even just a screencap of the opening credits for the European theatrical version of the film that went by the title "THE VOYAGE HOME: Star Trek IV." My understanding is that all home video releases (barring maybe the very first VHS) had it changed back to the original title. I'm sure it looks exactly the same just with the main and subtitles switched around, but like the Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan (sans "II") prints and the original 70mm cut of The Empire Strikes Back", there's just something spooky and alluring about lost media.
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Jul 11, 2021 06:31
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Star Trek 4 is necessary both as a lighter counterpoint to the heavy stories told by the other movies, and as a representation of the comedy episodes that are very much part of TOS's legacy.David D. Davidson posted:I was always dissapointed that the TNG movies never tried something silly like this. There's plenty of fun you could have had with the TNG crew in the 90s. It's tragic that the TNG writers were never good at comedy because that cast could have loving killed if they'd been allowed to.
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Jul 11, 2021 14:39
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's tragic that the TNG writers were never good at comedy because that cast could have loving killed if they'd been allowed to. 
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Jul 11, 2021 20:32
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Humpback to the Future
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Jul 15, 2021 04:02
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It's time we made a Star Trek 4 Episode 2. That's right I'm talking about.... star trek eight.
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Jul 15, 2021 04:06
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This film may also have the only whale chase scene in cinematic history. This is one of the most satisfying moments of the movie for me.
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Jul 16, 2021 05:33
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Expired Vitamin posted:This film may also have the only whale chase scene in cinematic history. The Entperprise-A reveal still gets a bigger pop though.
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Jul 16, 2021 06:54
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Expired Vitamin posted:This film may also have the only whale chase scene in cinematic history. The broken Finnish spoken by the crewmen on the whaling vessel always makes me laugh.
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Jul 16, 2021 23:19
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Expired Vitamin posted:This film may also have the only whale chase scene in cinematic history. The 1956 technicolor Moby Dick had a genuine whale chase scene. As a kid I thought "Wow, special effects were pretty good in the 50's, those look like real whales being killed." 
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Jul 17, 2021 20:04
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 I recall Leonard Nimoy once saying he was never sure whether the trippy time travel sequence was a success or not. Speaking only for myself, I always enjoyed the haunting abstract sights and sounds that hit that "we are through the looking glass" vibe of passing through temporal dimensions.  Nimoy may be right in that I don't really see this moment get brought up in discussion all that much, but regardless I think it was well worth the attempt at doing something that's still really unique for this series. Also, they were thinking of making it even weirder: 
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Jul 18, 2021 09:51
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I think what really sells the time travel acid trip sequence is the final shot of a pond accompanied by a giant crashing sound. It hits that sweet spot of being conspicuously incongruous while also not coming off just random or inexplicable, it makes you want to find some meaning to it. It's striking that it's a concrete image; you could argue it may not even be part of the vision at all. Somehow I always got the impression we were witnessing the sonic boom heard around the world when their ship goes to warp while still in Earth skies. Though going by the script, the decision to pair the pond image with the bang sound effect at the end must have been made during editing: pre: 66 TIME TRAVEL SEQUENCE - SUBJECTIVE - ILM 66
We are inside Kirk's MIND as we see a series of hypnot-
ic dream images floating up from Kirk's subconscious;
undulating figures which float toward us and pass...
Liquid faces... amorphous figures... images of Kirk's
shipmates in semi-transparent ghostly shapes -- aging
and regressing. Kirk's image of himself running toward
himself... underwater looking up at a sunlight-dappled
surface... gently waving strands of reeds at an
abstract shoreline... disembodied voices, sounds and
music add to the hypnotic effect. And then...
A WHOOSHING ROAR begins to mount and grow louder until
it climaxes with a terrible BANG! And we:
CUT TO:
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Animal-Mother posted:The 1956 technicolor Moby Dick had a genuine whale chase scene. As a kid I thought "Wow, special effects were pretty good in the 50's, those look like real whales being killed." I still can't believe I didn't think of it. I guess there are twice as many whale chases as I originally thought.
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Jul 19, 2021 06:29
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SidneyIsTheKiller posted:
The storyboarded version makes me think of the ending of The Black Hole https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFv9ZRAqG1s&t=157s
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Expired Vitamin posted:This film may also have the only whale chase scene in cinematic history. Besides 1956 technicolor Moby Dick, what about the Free Willy movies?
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