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maybe (definitely) I'm dumb and my colleagues are too, but ime k8s doesn't achieve the devops goals or anything beyond really basic self serve capabilities. the vast majority of our developers can't debug issues with our setup without help from the infrastructure team (sorry, "devops team") and can't work out how to do things which aren't part of the existing wrappers or patterns. this wasn't the case with octopus deploy and was less bad on ECS (although understanding networking was very hard there as well)
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Scud Hansen posted:Went to check the Operator SDK docs on github one day and they were gone, fused with the Red Hat Borg Cube. I went to the new URL for the docs, hosted by Red Hat, and it was pages full of "Lorem Ipsum" test text. Very cool! this is the most obnoxious thing they do and it hasn't gotten any better under ibm
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carry on then posted:this is the most obnoxious thing they do and it hasn't gotten any better under ibm Somebody said this more or less earlier in the thread but I'm 100% convinced that the docs are bad on purpose to sell consulting
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Scud Hansen posted:Somebody said this more or less earlier in the thread but I'm 100% convinced that the docs are bad on purpose to sell consulting when you dont sell the product itself at all and you only make money on service, support, and consulting why would you ever spend any time on docs whatsoever? this is the way
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The CNCF certification exams only let you use the official docs, no googling
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fresh_cheese posted:when you dont sell the product itself at all and you only make money on service, support, and consulting why would you ever spend any time on docs whatsoever? oh they also sell the product. but yes exactly
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jesus WEP posted:young man yamls at cloud lol
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yaml bad, kubernetes good
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:yaml bad, kubernetes good yarp
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if you hate writing yaml for your koobs you can always do go templating
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oh i can write the yaml i just dont think its good. but its not hard.
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Boy cilium sure is a pile of poo poo huh No idea what's up with it but my db connection pool connections keeps dying after this latest cluster upgrade and of course it can't be rolled back Thank god this cluster doesn't do anything particularly important
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Scud Hansen posted:Went to check the Operator SDK docs on github one day and they were gone, fused with the Red Hat Borg Cube. I went to the new URL for the docs, hosted by Red Hat, and it was pages full of "Lorem Ipsum" test text. Very cool! the more i understand the ecosystem the more i struggle to understand what operator sdk actually does beyond being a rebranded kubebuilder i guess OLM is there but it seems kinda annoying for no obvious purpose this is, however, nothing in comparison to the actual red hat branded stuff you upload your operators to, which is an incredible combination of incomprehensible and broken
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I like a lot of the stuff that red hat does but everything they do related to kubernetes is hows-it-going-...-yeah.gif
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reviving my dead thread to wonder and/or complain about cluster admins just categorically denying any cluster-level permissions in kubernetes, an environment which explicitly has a number of cluster-level resources what the gently caress bad thing is someone going to do with GET permissions on CRDs
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:reviving my dead thread to wonder and/or complain about cluster admins just categorically denying any cluster-level permissions in kubernetes, an environment which explicitly has a number of cluster-level resources yeah that’s dumb op lots of folks trying to secure it like it’s multi tenant when it isn’t really.
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oh hey i should start posting in this thread i guess huh
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assuming its some cloud stuff they should just launch multiple actually-isolated clusters this also applies to people who think they want a single cluster spanning multiple AZs
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oh has anyone tried azure k8s? i assume it's trash but figure its good to check how bad
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for a very brief period of time in 2019 azure aks was better than aws eks, these days i understand it is bad but not as bad as you would expect from an azure product
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we have an eks cluster that has been running for almost 4 years now and haven't had any issues with it. the initial version didn't have as much aws integration as you would expect, and the upgrade to a modern version that added some of that required no downtime but made us actually look at it for a second. would recommend eks.
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They took away our admin access on the cluster and hired a guy just to admin it and he's the most disagreeable prick I've ever worked with. But now every time I need to do something I have to grovel to the cluster troll and beg him to run commands for me. I am a broken man
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Scud Hansen posted:They took away our admin access on the cluster and hired a guy just to admin it and he's the most disagreeable prick I've ever worked with. But now every time I need to do something I have to grovel to the cluster troll and beg him to run commands for me. I am a broken man embrace many things not being your problem anymore. annoying at first, but act and build accordingly and it is ultimately great.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:we have an eks cluster that has been running for almost 4 years now and haven't had any issues with it. i've to do my first on-site to eks migration at the end of this quarter and i'm looking forward to it. documentation makes it sound pretty smooth
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as long as you have all your manifests its dead simple.
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Scud Hansen posted:They took away our admin access on the cluster and hired a guy just to admin it and he's the most disagreeable prick I've ever worked with. But now every time I need to do something I have to grovel to the cluster troll and beg him to run commands for me. I am a broken man after many years of developers having free reign over their environments via containers, finally the natural order is restored and bofhs' god-given control over the platform is the law of the land again Progressive JPEG posted:assuming its some cloud stuff they should just launch multiple actually-isolated clusters please, the customers want a "single cluster" spanning multiple providers and think Ingress implementations will somehow provide this no, none of these people have the slightest idea what SIG multi cluster is
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Jonny 290 posted:whats bofh bofh of deez nuts!!!
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:after many years of developers having free reign over their environments via containers, finally the natural order is restored and bofhs' god-given control over the platform is the law of the land again DevOps, where you split things into Dev and Ops
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:bastard operator from hell nope DELETE CASCADE posted:bofh of deez nuts!!! yep
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animist posted:DevOps, where you split things into Dev and Ops it's like two containers for one job!
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i really do hate that every CD tool on the market has added a helm option and that they universally use helm template instead of helm install, each with its own idiosyncrasies for the unfamiliar, the helm devs didn't really intend for the template command to be used this way (im not really sure _how_ they intended it to be used), so this does poo poo you probably don't want when actually deploying software, like: - not applying a namespace - rendering ALL templates simultaneously regardless of purpose, such as templates that should only render for tests and templates that should only render during certain lifecycle events - not talking to the cluster at all, so that any conditionals for CRD or API version availability just always return false unless you manually instruct helm that these things are available. naturally not all of the CD tools set these automatically, nor do they let you provide arguments for calling helm this naturally results in an endless line of requests for snowflake toggles in values.yaml to adjust template behavior for some particular tool's bullshit. no, begone. file an issue with jenkins or argo and tell them to fix their poo poo. if they can't let them fight it out with the helm devs to add features they need. our config is already enough of a mess without adding 50 toggles that won't make sense to novices
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don't know what helm is, didn't need it 5 years ago, don't need it today, won't need it 5 years from now
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imo helm chart installs are extremely bad and dumb and all anybody really wants out of helm is some semi-reasonable yaml templating the half-assed package management stuff the helm devs keep trying to shoehorn into there just make it more cumbersome without providing any of the benefits that you'd expect from a real package manager, like managed updates/upgrades. so at that point why even bother dealing with that imo the pro move is to pipe the output of "helm template" into regular "kubectl apply" and sidestep helm's logic for that entirely, using it only for a template rendering stage - but this doesn't work if you're doing something involving "lookup", like one-time random secrets. the built-in "helm install" implementation has a bunch of bizarre corner cases around e.g. subtractive edits that break things in hard to detect ways. meanwhile in a CD context treating the template/apply as separate stages also lets you shove the rendered output into source control
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afaict the "standard" way to get away from the helm devs' bad opinions is to just write your own gosh darn operator+CRDs via kubebuilder or similar. that's a bridge too far for me rn but i may just give up and do that at some point because it doesn't look like there's gonna be a "helm except just the parts you want done well" tool anytime soon
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