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Itzena
Aug 2, 2006

Nothing will improve the way things currently are.
Slime TrainerS

g-c posted:

where can one get street clothes in this game? i like my armor a lot but i also kinda wanna tank in sneakers and jeans

There's also the peacelover's pantaloon if you want frayed hippy jeans.

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Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Don’t Ishgard restoration lotto tickets also have a “casual dress” set as the first place prize? I won it, and I remember thinking it looks like modern streetwear

Pobrecito
Jun 16, 2020

hasta que la muerte nos separe
So when I said earlier I got my ARR relic and the grind wasn't that bad I lied. I only had the first step where you get the actual relic. I'm now grinding books. This is pain.

W.T. Fits
Apr 21, 2010

Ready to Poyozo Dance all over your face.

Pobrecito posted:

So when I said earlier I got my ARR relic and the grind wasn't that bad I lied. I only had the first step where you get the actual relic. I'm now grinding books. This is pain.

As I said:

W.T. Fits posted:

Animus
AKA "the book step." Hell begins here.

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

g-c posted:

yea that's usually what i do anyways. i dont ever want it to be my fault that something goes wrong but i think im over it. im a good tank, drat it!

I’m a bad tank, but I’m also over it!

FeatherFloat
Dec 31, 2003

Not kyuute

Pobrecito posted:

So when I said earlier I got my ARR relic and the grind wasn't that bad I lied. I only had the first step where you get the actual relic. I'm now grinding books. This is pain.

Hey, I decided this weekend I was gonna do this as well! It couldn't have been THAT bad!

Oh god the books have so many things in them...

Ibblebibble
Nov 12, 2013

I found that I could do one book per day at the most for the sweet spot of "I'm getting this done but not at a pace where I want to burn out of it".

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer

Ibblebibble posted:

I found that I could do one book per day at the most for the sweet spot of "I'm getting this done but not at a pace where I want to burn out of it".

This is wise. Relics are a marathon, not a sprint. This goes double for ARR relics.

Zutaten
May 8, 2007

What the shit.

For Zodiac books, don't forget that while you're waiting for a FATE to pop (and use the Duty Recommendations window to keep an eye on these) there's probably some bad guys in the Enemies tab that also live in the zone you're standing around in. Get those done while you wait, so you don't end up like me and literally fall asleep waiting for specific fates

Wrestlepig
Feb 25, 2011

my mum says im cool

Toilet Rascal

g-c posted:

where can one get street clothes in this game? i like my armor a lot but i also kinda wanna tank in sneakers and jeans

they just started an event where you can get Noctis the final fantasy 15 guy's clothes, has some good options for it.

g-c
Dec 10, 2006

Say cheese

Wrestlepig posted:

they just started an event where you can get Noctis the final fantasy 15 guy's clothes, has some good options for it.

Just saw that actually. Nearly exactly what I'm looking for, at least for now.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


Noctis' shirt/jacket may look kinda dumb by default but it dyes incredibly well.

Draga
Dec 9, 2011

WASHI JA!
I dye all my outfits Wine Red and Noct's jacket looks amazing.

Regalingualius
Jan 7, 2012

We gazed into the eyes of madness... And all we found was horny.




Is it feasible to earn enough GP to get everything from the event if you’re starting from scratch?

Leraika
Jun 14, 2015

Luckily, I *did* save your old avatar. Fucked around and found out indeed.

Regalingualius posted:

Is it feasible to earn enough GP to get everything from the event if you’re starting from scratch?

Yes. Do your challenge log and fashion report every week, and consider farming easy high-end fights for the high-rank cards they drop.

Issaries
Sep 15, 2008

"Negotiations were going well. They were very impressed by my hat." -Issaries the Concilliator"

Regalingualius posted:

Is it feasible to earn enough GP to get everything from the event if you’re starting from scratch?

Event itself doesn't give you MGP:s, but you have 1 month to farm that.

Easiest source for MGP:s is Fashion report. Each weekend you dress-up and if you get 80+ rating, you will get 60 000 mgp. 4 weeks of that is 240k MGP
They're very easy to get, if you check out the guide for them.
This weekend you got an easy 80 by wearing a 3000 gil red wrist item and scion boots that you get at lvl 50 from main story.
Doing gates, playing triple triad and other games net you good MGP too, just not as good as Fashion report.
And do your daily mini-cacpots and weekly lotteries.

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Regalingualius posted:

Is it feasible to earn enough GP to get everything from the event if you’re starting from scratch?


https://twitter.com/KaiyokoStar

Follow the guides posted to this twitter account to do Fashion Report. Their pinned tweet is a cheat sheet for this week's report, and they update every week for the new report on Friday. Today is the last day to turn in the current report. Each time you score at least an 80 on Fashion Reports, you're awarded 50,000 GP. Scoring 100 points is a one-time thing that unlocks an achievement/title and special vendor, so don't worry about doing it unless it's super easy, because it doesn't give any more MGP than just scoring an 80. Note that even if you can't score 80 on a given week, you can still get 10k MGP just for showing up. Other than that, do your daily mini cactpot, buy weekly jumbo cactpot tickets, and clear out your Gold Saucer challenge log.



Basically, getting judged by Masked Rose in the Gold Saucer with all your gear slots having items in them, a Sunstone Bracelet in your wrist slot, and any body and leg equipment dyed Olive Green = 50k MGP. You can buy all of these items from NPCs. Dye vendors are generally near the marketboards in any major city; The Sunstone Bracelet comes from a vendor near the Goldsmithing Guild in Ul'dah. iirc, this week's easy-80 runs about 4k gil total.

Chillgamesh fucked around with this message at 23:48 on Sep 13, 2021

Tempest_56
Mar 14, 2009

Doing the Lord of Vermillion challenge log is easy, too. It requires you to play five games, not win five games, and the repeatable tutorial counts. Just start the second (first non-scripted) tutorial against the AI, then go make a sandwich. Repeat five times and that's 27k MGP for letting the game run while you watch videos for ~15 minutes.

Insert name here
Nov 10, 2009

Oh.
Oh Dear.
:ohdear:

Zutaten posted:

I also hate most of the guns, but I figured out a way around it. Tech style.

If you want to go more of a tech route, the Ironworks gun (level 50 Poetics), Scaevan gun (level 70 poetics), the Ferdinand (level 60 relic, base model for Centurio Seals in Ishgard inn), the Midan gun (Level 60 Alexander Raid, Burden of the Son Savage), and the Murderer (Level 80, crafted, marketboard) are all a) covered in techy glowy bits, and b) have fun animations when you pull them out, except the Ferdinand. (very important)

Edit: All these guns are dyeable too
The Augmented Lost Allagan Pistol* is my favourite "tech style" gun for more of a normal style as opposed to the ones with fancy animations.

*Don't believe Allagan lies it's definitely a stockless carbine

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011

Chillgamesh posted:

https://twitter.com/KaiyokoStar

Follow the guides posted to this twitter account to do Fashion Report. Their pinned tweet is a cheat sheet for this week's report, and they update every week for the new report on Friday. Today is the last day to turn in the current report. Each time you score at least an 80 on Fashion Reports, you're awarded 50,000 GP. Scoring 100 points is a one-time thing that unlocks an achievement/title and special vendor, so don't worry about doing it unless it's super easy, because it doesn't give any more MGP than just scoring an 80. Note that even if you can't score 80 on a given week, you can still get 10k MGP just for showing up. Other than that, do your daily mini cactpot, buy weekly jumbo cactpot tickets, and clear out your Gold Saucer challenge log.



Basically, getting judged by Masked Rose in the Gold Saucer with all your gear slots having items in them, a Sunstone Bracelet in your wrist slot, and any body and leg equipment dyed Olive Green = 50k MGP. You can buy all of these items from NPCs. Dye vendors are generally near the marketboards in any major city; The Sunstone Bracelet comes from a vendor near the Goldsmithing Guild in Ul'dah. iirc, this week's easy-80 runs about 4k gil total.

Thanks for this, the Golden Saucer was one of the many things I put off unlocking or bothering with as I beelined the MSQ. But I want the Car. Made my 60k off Fashion Report today, and also made about 3k extra winning games and stuff! Am no further in the MSQ today, but that was fun.

Cluzic
Oct 29, 2011

Tempest_56 posted:

Doing the Lord of Vermillion challenge log is easy, too. It requires you to play five games, not win five games, and the repeatable tutorial counts. Just start the second (first non-scripted) tutorial against the AI, then go make a sandwich. Repeat five times and that's 27k MGP for letting the game run while you watch videos for ~15 minutes.

One of the tutorials (the 4th one I think) is very short “boss” stage where you can just zerg down a gobbue. I’ve found that to be the fastest way to do the Lord of Verminion challenge. Other than that, just keep your cactpots rolling. It’s pretty much impossible to lose MGP, and if you’re lucky the mini cactpot could get you 30k in a day.

Antivehicular
Dec 30, 2011


I wanna sing one for the cars
That are right now headed silent down the highway
And it's dark and there is nobody driving And something has got to give

It's literally impossible to lose money on the cactpots, unless you don't turn in your Jumbo tickets, I guess? (Do they expire? I've never had this come up.) Every Mini Cactpot result is a profit, and the consolation on Jumbo is still ~1200 or so on a 100-200 MGP ticket.

squirrelzipper
Nov 2, 2011

Antivehicular posted:

It's literally impossible to lose money on the cactpots, unless you don't turn in your Jumbo tickets, I guess? (Do they expire? I've never had this come up.) Every Mini Cactpot result is a profit, and the consolation on Jumbo is still ~1200 or so on a 100-200 MGP ticket.

Yeah they expire 7 days after the draw they're eligible for. I know cause I just bought my first ones heh.

Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

squirrelzipper posted:

Thanks for this, the Golden Saucer was one of the many things I put off unlocking or bothering with as I beelined the MSQ. But I want the Car. Made my 60k off Fashion Report today, and also made about 3k extra winning games and stuff! Am no further in the MSQ today, but that was fun.

Glad I could help!

Antivehicular posted:

It's literally impossible to lose money on the cactpots, unless you don't turn in your Jumbo tickets, I guess? (Do they expire? I've never had this come up.) Every Mini Cactpot result is a profit, and the consolation on Jumbo is still ~1200 or so on a 100-200 MGP ticket.

Yeah they're pure income, you can't lose. The lore concession is basically that Godbert eats a loss by ensuring you have a good time because it rakes in suckers like crazy that someone as famous as the WoL goes to his casino

Algid
Oct 10, 2007


Ytlaya posted:

I finally got my friend to start playing, and I'm trying to encourage him to keep going since he's in the early 30s and is (correctly) finding the gameplay extremely boring as a Paladin (I probably should have suggested some other specific job, like Ninja or Monk; even though most are boring low-level, Gladiator/Paladin is possibly the worst). The gameplay for most jobs being extremely boring and unchallenging before level 50+ is one of the kind of significant hurdles to getting people into the game. He used to play a lot of FF11, so I think he's also kind of put off by fighting solo mobs being essentially effortless. I explained how FF14's combat basically centers around boss mechanics.

It's still a toss-up whether he'll end up liking it later (his taste in games is kind of all over the place and hard to predict), but I gave the typical advice of at least getting a good portion into Heavensward. The good thing about the trial is that there's zero rush, so he can basically take his time gradually getting through the story.

One kind of funny thing he's having trouble with is the controls. Because the only other MMO he's played was FF11, which had a bizarre control scheme that involved not using the mouse (IIRC he mentioned it using the arrow keys and numpad), he's having trouble getting used to using the mouse + WASD.
Using the keyboard alone is fine.

Quoting myself here as keyboard 2-hander:

Algid posted:

Telarra posted:

I wonder how much of this difference of opinion on how ffxivcombo feels, is due to some people using skills by clicking on the buttons with their mouse, and other people by pressing hotkeys.
I usually play with both hands on the keyboard during combat, use the mouse for quick camera control only, which apparently isn't what most people who use kb + mouse do? Probably developed the habit from FFXI which was a menu based game and the first couple of numbers on the num row was enough for some macros, while right hand can do camera control from the keyboard. GW1 and GW2 didn't exactly discourage that since standard keybinds was just the num row again and you didn't even need modifier keys because there was a cap on how many skills you can have up.

Algid posted:

:yeshaha:

I just checked the FFXI quick start guide and it does appear to be what trained me to wielding 2 handed keyboard: http://dl.square-enix.co.jp/ff11us/vc2008/FFXIVC_QKSTART_EN.pdf

Just take a look these vintage pixels, you can feel the moment some dude using adobe 2 decades ago gave up:



I used config 2 from what I recall.

I do some clicking on my GPD win max since the keyboard is tiny and there are no right modifier keys. The real solution is to learn how to use controller but targeting doesn't feel good, I would have to relearn a whole new set of muscle memory, and movement just doesn't feel as precise, though that part can probably solved by adjusting sensitivity somewhat.

Onean
Feb 11, 2010

Maiden in white...
You are not one of us.
Everybody focuses on the Fashion weekly (which is largely correct, don't skip it if you're even the slightest bit interested in getting MGP because it's your highest reward for time spent), but the Challenge Log surprisingly gets glossed over in comparison. If you're really looking to get stuff done, you can get another 73-100k+ every week in just a couple hours. This also doesn't have to be all at once, you can spread the time out across the entire week. (The Challenge Log resets with server reset, so Tuesday morning for those of us on the Americas.)

All of these numbers are without the Make it Rain seasonal event active. If it is, add 50% to all of the MGP rewards!

Lord of Verminion has already been brought up*, but the reward hasn't. Playing 5 games will complete three challenges which give you a total of 27k MGP.

*Specifically, Cluzic's post here:

Cluzic posted:

One of the tutorials (the 4th one I think) is very short “boss” stage where you can just zerg down a gobbue. I’ve found that to be the fastest way to do the Lord of Verminion challenge.

If you don't know where Lord of Verminion is, it's on another level. There's a Lift Operator in the Main Entrance area (where the reward and mini-Cactpot NPCs are) that will take you to it. It's also where the Chocobo Racing is at.

Triple Triad is another simple thing to knock out, and you can get every challenge related done from anywhere in the game. First, though, you'll need to unlock the Battlehall by talking to the Triple Triad Master. There's no requirements other than having access to the Gold Saucer and unlocking Triple Triad. Doing so will add the Battlehall to your Duty Finder menu (under the Gold Saucer option, it's the button with a cactuar on it) which you can enter from anywhere in the game. Don't be intimidated by it, it may sound like some tournament thing but it's really just an instanced area that's always flagged for Triple Triad.

The main thing we want with the Battlehall, though, is an NPC named Wyra "Greenhands" Lyehga. She's a very easy Triple Triad NPC, so you can blaze through matches with her by simply using an auto-built deck if you don't want to build your own.

Winning against Wyra 10 times will complete four different challenges for a total of 18.5k MGP. It's not a big amount, but it's nearly as quick as doing your Fashion Report from nothing.

There are also the Open Tournaments. They take place every two hours, with registration open for 30 minutes. These are random, 8 person "tournaments," with each player playing 3 matches. If there aren't enough actual players to fill in all 8 spots, NPCs will be added to fill the roster. These matches are all Draft, so there's no penalty if you're just starting and haven't unlocked more than your starting cards. (Draft works by giving you three sets of cards, with three choices in each set, and you select which you want to build your deck with. If you're not sure what to pick or don't care, there's a Recommended button that will choose the strongest cards.) Tournaments also cycle between Basic and Advanced rulesets. Basic is always just Draft. Advanced will add two additional rulesets to spice up the gameplay. (Using the Recommended option for the Draft during an Advanced ruleset might actually give you subpar cards, so it isn't always the best option.) Playing just one Open Tournament will earn 3,000 more MGP, plus whatever you won from the tournament.

Next are the mini-games. These are the interactables that are placed throughout the Gold Saucer, stuff like Cuff-a-Cur, Monster Toss or Out on a Limb. You can do whatever you prefer*, just make sure you play 3 times and win a total of 100 MGP across them. This will get you 2.5k MGP for a ridiculously small amount of effort.

*I prefer Out on a Limb on the lower level because I'm guaranteed 100 MGP in 3 plays (usually just the first). Out on a Limb or The Finer Miner next to it are also your best option for just straight up grinding MGP. If you get good at it you can get 600+ MGP in just over a minute. Lag will murder you until you compensate for it, though.

Now for GATEs. This will probably be the most time intensive part, but it can also be done while you're doing everything else. Every 20 minutes (on X:00, X:20 and X:40) there are events that pop up in the Gold Saucer. There are announcements in the zone that are preceded by a chime (you'll get very familiar with that chime as you spend time here), and mostly they'll be about GATEs, though sometimes they're about other stuff.

Most of these events last for 10 minutes, during which you can get teleported to them by talking to any GATE Keeper NPC (some of the golden dot-with-a-ring icons on the map note where they're at) spread throughout the Gold Saucer. However, watch out for The Slice is Right and Any Way the Wind Blows because you can only sign up for those within a couple minutes of the event starting. Once 10 minutes has passed (on X:10, X:30 and X:50), you can talk to a GATE Keeper and they'll tell you what the next GATE will be and can teleport you to where it will be, but you'll still have to wait until it actually starts.

Playing five of these and winning three of them will get you 13k from challenges plus 12-20k from the GATEs themselves.

There's one challenge for Mahjong to play 2 matches against players for 5k MGP, but I don't do that one.

Finally, Chocobo Racing. This is the part of the Gold Saucer I know the least about and am very bad at. It can also take up a good chunk of time, but it's an option to take a break from Out on a Limb or standing around doing nothing in between GATEs when you've completed your other challenges.

There's a whole system attached to racing that's about breeding, getting abilities and leveling your racing Chocobo (completely unrelated to your Companion chocobo), but someone else will have to go into that because I have barely touched it myself.

I do the simplest challenge, entering 3 races, every week for 5k MGP and call it good enough. However, if you like them or don't dislike them enough to avoid them, there's more to get. Entering 20 races and winning 10 of them will get you an extra 21k MGP.

All told you can get 64k MGP from challenges without touching Mahjong or Chocobo Racing, plus 5k and 26k MGP respectively if you do, plus an additional 12-20k MGP from completing the GATEs challenges for a Grand total of 104-112k MGP a week just from your Challenge Log.

So, with a minimal amount of effort (no Mahjong or Racing) adding in the Fashion Report you can get 132k MGP a week plus probably another 1-3k from the miscellaneous rewards. Doing everything will get you 163k plus miscellanea. Add on stuff like mini-Cactpot and the Cactpot lottery and you can get 300k in two weeks spending only a couple hours each week.

Onean fucked around with this message at 01:35 on Jun 18, 2022

Boba Pearl
Dec 27, 2019

by Athanatos
I need to verminions anyways, and then get my regalia before it's too late.

Zutaten
May 8, 2007

What the shit.

Boba Pearl posted:

I need to verminions anyways, and then get my regalia before it's too late.

You have a month. Don't stress it immediately. Game is good about giving you lots of time, I've found.

Nibble
Dec 28, 2003

if we don't, remember me
If you don’t mind putting a little effort into Verminion, the scheduled tournaments are very generous with MGP too. You can just play against the AI if you want to, there’s a separate DF entry. Win five games that way and you knock out your challenge log, then come back a couple days later and claim the tourney payout.

g-c
Dec 10, 2006

Say cheese
I've been in the gold saucer like 4 times since i started playing the game a couple months ago. last night i had 150k MGP (mostly from only doing the fashion report twice) and farmed the other 50k needed for the Regalia just by doing the challenge log which maybe took an hour of my time [AFK Vermilion ftw]

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, I generally don't mess with Verminion but got pointed to the "get ten wins in four separate tournaments" achievement to get a minion; the one week so far I did it it took me about 25-30m to beat the AI 10 times and my tourney rewards were like 103k MGP.

The Gunslinger
Jul 24, 2004

Do not forget the face of your father.
Fun Shoe
Finally beat Defenders of Eorzea last night and closed the book on patch 2.3. Another mediocre story affair, they managed to make a revolution boring and the refugee crisis felt totally insincere. Starting patch 2.4 MSQ this week, really looking forward to getting to the good stuff in HW that people mentioned. It looks like a big chunk of time to do 2.4 to 2.55 but I feel like I'm near the home stretch. I did my first real raid last night as a healer and enjoyed it. Much more chill than WoW.

It seems weird that I can't touch Machinist or Dark Knight until I hit HW MSQ but I can just buy Shadowbringers and then immediately play Red Mage or Samurai. I'm also level 56 and haven't been able to do any class quests since 50 on my White Mage. That's going to be an interesting chunk of ability to catch up on, at this rate I feel like I'll be 60+ before I get to the HW MSQ. Is that normal?

SynthesisAlpha
Jun 19, 2007
Cyber-Monocle sporting Space Billionaire
Being way ahead of the MSQ in level is a perfectly normal result of the level capped not being there as it was when the content was first released. Even though the post-launch content gives fuckall xp you are still probably running dungeons and such for fun or quests.

Anything you do is going to be synced anyway so the only part that sucks about being over level is looking at your ability book and not having the good poo poo yet. Assize so fuckin' good.

Regy Rusty
Apr 26, 2010

The Gunslinger posted:

Finally beat Defenders of Eorzea last night and closed the book on patch 2.3. Another mediocre story affair, they managed to make a revolution boring and the refugee crisis felt totally insincere. Starting patch 2.4 MSQ this week, really looking forward to getting to the good stuff in HW that people mentioned. It looks like a big chunk of time to do 2.4 to 2.55 but I feel like I'm near the home stretch. I did my first real raid last night as a healer and enjoyed it. Much more chill than WoW.

It seems weird that I can't touch Machinist or Dark Knight until I hit HW MSQ but I can just buy Shadowbringers and then immediately play Red Mage or Samurai. I'm also level 56 and haven't been able to do any class quests since 50 on my White Mage. That's going to be an interesting chunk of ability to catch up on, at this rate I feel like I'll be 60+ before I get to the HW MSQ. Is that normal?

The change to how they handled expansion classes was them learning their lesson about how annoying it is to have the HW classes locked to reaching the city.

That said the bonus for the HW classes is that their stories can be tied strongly to their setting which is pretty cool.

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
Yeah, the three HW jobs are the only time that happens. They can't really backport those three to base zones like they have with later jobs, so it's just a weird legacy thing.

Similarly the 50-60 job quests (even for non HW jobs) are very linked with specific HW zones, so similar deal there.

SirSamVimes
Jul 21, 2008

~* Challenge *~


I still think the change to new classes post-Heavensward is a bad thing because it means classes' opening quests can no longer be tied to the story of new areas the way that DRK, AST and MCH are to Ishgard.

Mister Olympus
Oct 31, 2011

Buzzard, Who Steals From Dead Bodies

SirSamVimes posted:

I still think the change to new classes post-Heavensward is a bad thing because it means classes' opening quests can no longer be tied to the story of new areas the way that DRK, AST and MCH are to Ishgard.

samurai is still pretty tied to the story of kugane

Tortolia
Dec 29, 2005

Hindustan Electronics Employee of the Month, July 2008
Grimey Drawer
It's ultimately a balancing act since there were absolutely players who burned out and quit the game trying to unlock the HW jobs because of how they are implemented.

Them shifting away from job quests providing necessary skill unlocks is probably the happy medium here since you can still tell stories that resonate but aren't crippling players who just want to try one of the big expansion bullet points.

Head Hit Keyboard
Oct 9, 2012

It must be fate that has brought us together after all these years.
I think we're reaching a point where we can start including expansion content in the job quests again because really who's going to be level 70 before starting HW? Even with preferred world bonus that is just absurd.

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Chillgamesh
Jul 29, 2014

Head Hit Keyboard posted:

I think we're reaching a point where we can start including expansion content in the job quests again because really who's going to be level 70 before starting HW? Even with preferred world bonus that is just absurd.

GNB and DNC's job quests make you go to Ishgard, I think the DNC70 makes you go to Ala Gannha? I think the devs' philosophy on job quests is now something like "If the quest asks you do go here and you don't have it unlocked yet, you're so far ahead of the curve on MSQ that it doesn't matter"

E: SAM makes you spend a lot of time in Kugane as well

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