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Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Down if and only if it is 15 players or fewer.

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Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Amnistar posted:

Deadlines are for losers. We should execute every day before we make it halfway to deadline. Speed mafia.


## vote b-minus

Always down for an amni inspired turbo.

## vote b-minus

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Amnistar posted:

Are they your scum-mate?

His refusal to respond speaks more loudly than words.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Maerlyn posted:

##unvote

Five votes is getting a little too close for comfort for me.

##vote Maerlyn

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Maerlyn posted:

Pfft, like I haven't heard that before.

Amni Amni Amni, what am I gonna do with you?

Neither Amni's nor my vote are jokes. Turbos flush out scum. Scum are too afraid to do something so anti-town on the surface that they bail before it reaches fruition. They fear it will blow back on them. Only town is so carefree to do something so egregiously anti town as a turbo.
You are scared Maeryln, you are scum. Your attempts to deflect are landing upon deaf ears.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Retro Futurist posted:

##Maerlyn Season!

You forgot the vote Opop.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

b-minus1 posted:

Not a fan of either of these posts. Feels like they’re approaching the operating with extra info territory. In fact I think maerlyns response was the towniest of all.


Maerlyn's response is pro town in that turbos are hilarious, but are unlikely to further the town's win condition, as the actual execution is pretty close to statistically random, but it is not a town response.
Town are far more likely to be wild and carefree. Scum will think twice and double pump those breaks, especially if it looks like it is getting out of hand.
Scum is just as likely to do this whether b- is scum or town. If the turbo had been more developed, I would actually propose that it is more likely that Maerlyn would stick to her guns on a scum b- than a town one, as the blowback if B- flips scum and Maerlyn bailed on the execution gaining momentum would be a bad look.

That being said, what extra info do you think there is here? The only info is how people respond to turbos in a vacuum, which Amni is the pioneering researcher for at the moment.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Maerlyn posted:

I think from now on I know how to blow past joke phase, I actually dislike it. Thanks for the inspiration.

How often have you successfully turboed a scum? The logic is really flawed...I thought participating in a bandwagon is typically scummy behavior, as in they stay on the bandwagon? And if I were scum why would I do something that DRAWS ATTENTION TO MYSELF.

The actual turbo isn't the prize, it's so very sweet when it actually connects (scum or town), but the fallout around it is ripe for information mining.

Turbos are fun. Town love fun. Scum are scared of fun. You bailed on the turbo, and are therefore scared of fun ergo you are scum.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Amnistar posted:

One day I'll be able to analyze alignments based on a successful turbo instead of am unsuccessful one.

You keep reaching for that brass ring.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Retro Futurist posted:

Obama and Maerlyn scum together and binus is town, wrap it up fellas

This is where my reads are landing at the moment as well.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

Obama sure. Maerlyn being team no fun is basically neutral to me. Some townies don’t enjoy life.

But do the neighborly deed and help taste determine if he is in the game first.

It's not that she didn't enjoy fun, it's that she flirted with the idea of fun until it disgusted her scum brain.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Somberbrero posted:

it feels mean to vote Maerlyn today, are they newer? i do not wish.

This is her 9th game according to votefinder, 7 completed, 1 ongoing and this one. Training wheels off Somber.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

Yeah changing my mind I think this might be the scummiest post of the game.

##vote grand

Huh? Why?

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

Because it’s scummy.

Elaborate?

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

You have like four posts saying the same thing in different ways as if repeating “town love fun scum do not” without at all looking at maers posts or actually engaging with her. You’ve also mentioned amni more times than seems normal in making these statements.

But mostly with that specific post you also try to throw it back on minus like “what are you trying to accomplish here” which just feels super disingenuous. Did you not understand minus’ very simple statement of “I think mart is town”. Do you think minus is scum for saying that?

It’s a throwaway statement with no follow through and no point other than optics.

Thank you for engaging.
I mention Amni a lot because Amni is a known turbo specialist. He does this as either alignment, but he pushes for them hard in most games.
I believe that the fallout around both successful and failed turbos is fertile hunting grounds for scum.
I explained why Maeryln was scum based on it multiple times because I was engaged about it multiple times.

The b stuff is because he said it looked like we were approaching with extra info. I still have no idea what extra info he is alluding to. I got the part where he said Maeryln was townie.

b-minus1 posted:

Not a fan of either of these posts. Feels like they’re approaching the operating with extra info territory. In fact I think maerlyns response was the towniest of all.

And as of right now, I think b is more likely than not town, which is why I was engaging him.
It is also why I chose to engage you Voodoo, at the moment, I have light town feels on you, if I thought you were scum putting up a screen for Maeryln I would have chosen not to engage.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Lampsacus posted:

I'm just saying things. I don't know if there is much to read into, with those posts. Page 4 joke postin'!

I will say Voodoofly is blowing my mind with the idea of doing things for optics. Is this true, Grandicap?

Do not like this post. Read either straight or dripping with sarcasm, I do not like it.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Maerlyn posted:

How would I know bminus is town?

He's keying in that you called it a misexecution, betraying that you knew bminus was town.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Maerlyn posted:

So if I were scum wouldn't I have stayed on? I feel like I need to make a diagram:

Mae scum/bminus scum - I wouldn't be on the turbo
Mae scum/bminus town - why would I jump off?
Mae town/bminus ??? - get nervous about a mislunch and hop off.

I definitely didn't expect the resulting explosion, so I need to look at the resulting arguments more closely.

Calling it a mis lunch here and in your next post.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

I feel like I'm riding too much if the same wavelength as Am I this game and it weirding me out.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

Minus was saying you two are acting like you know more than the town does. As in your scum. I don’t see how that needed clarifying. You also say you think he is town. How and why considering he had made one game statement by then and you say you didn’t understand half of it to begin with.

I got that he was saying we were scum for having out of game info, I was confused in what out if game info he thought we had.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Light scum reads on lamp and OA.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

There is no reason why Lebron or Bugs couldn't be scum.
In fact, Maeryln wanting to drop it so early leads me to think she's more likely to be scum, thinking it would act as a point in her favor rather than flavor being exceptionally null.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Toalpaz posted:

##unvote

no its goon team vs tune squad

Why do you say this? The example vanilla role pm is

"merk posted:

You are [Character], TOWN, Vanilla. You win when all threats to the TOWN have been eliminated.

Toon Squad is mentioned in the flavor of my role-PM but it isn't front and center. Where are you getting your info?

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Meh, definitely not reading the OP to preclude a scum from being a good guy in the film.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

ObamaAkbar. posted:

Wait are you saying it says Toon Squad not Tune Squad in your role PM?

Sorry more terrible flavour discussion

Double checked, it is definitely tOOn not tUnE. No idea if this makes a difference.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Lampsacus posted:

I'm just saying things. I don't know if there is much to read into, with those posts. Page 4 joke postin'!

I will say Voodoofly is blowing my mind with the idea of doing things for optics. Is this true, Grandicap?

I stand by my reading of this post. I has an air of

Like, of course people do things based on how they present, as scum and town. Scum do it far more frequently, but as town I push my cases with way less doubt than I feel because to get people to follow your lead you need project confidence.
It's scummy to say this because either he is feigning ignorance that people go on the internet and tell lies in an online party game about lying to your friends and calling them dumbasses, or he is sarcastically calling out Voodoo's reasonable case on me.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Lampsacus posted:

Definitely not dripping with sarcasm. I apologise to everybody for my posting and my posting style, I'm doing my best.

But not a thing to apologize for, like I think you are laying it on too thickly, and have a chance of being scum because of it, but not that you are a bad person or are bad at playing the game or anything.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

ObamaAkbar. posted:

If you hate flavour arguments here comes the meta argument.

Grandi acts like he’s caught scum in mae because they backed off of the turbo, an argument I’m not buying UNLESS binus is also scum. Since then he’s picked apart every post they’ve made and doubled down on this read. This is something I’ve 100% seen him do as scum.

Outside of meta grandi somehow declared a town read on binus super early based on what exactly? Also if binus is town I honestly can’t fathom why scum would care about being involved in a turbo mislunch enough to draw attention to themselves. It feels more like awkward newbie to me. Grandi cares enough to check votefinder to dispel the newbie myth however their last game outside of steaks ongoing one was 8 years ago…

This is scum clinging to the first easy case they see and burrowing in.

Hmmm, didn't realize that Maer's initial games were so far back. That does put them more solidly in the new player bucket, but on an arguable border, but I do feel strongly like I have a live one on the hook here. I am hesitant to let this go.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Maerlyn posted:

I was actually going to try to rebound (heh) but....I don't care. I've written and deleted this sort of thing like 3 times. I'm just not enjoying myself, I don't have the time or the mental energy for this. Mafia's not for everybody and it's too stressful for me right now so gently caress it.

##vote Maerlyn

give Amni his turbo. I'm pretty poo poo as town so it doesn't matter :)

Real life comes first. Take care of yourself, and if you come back to mafia eventually you are always welcome.

##unvote

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

I don't think it's you Voodoo, but it's definitely not me.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

And it is?

I have a problem with emotional appeals, I believe them almost unconditionally. To the extent that I rarely stop voting people because of them because I know it is my blind spot. I turn my heart cold to them.
That being said, I believe Maer's response. I don't want to drop the thread because I've been burned so many times before, but I wanna drop the thread because I believe her.

I also don't like diversifying my opinions on who is scum d1 because it bleeds weight from the person I try to key in on. So I really haven't given more than topical thoughts to other people.
I have bad feelings about Lamp and OA, but the OA stuff could easily be mason vibes, especially if Maerlyn was complaining in mason chat, even without that, being protective of a mason buddy is a totally reasonable thing to do even when unconfirmed.
So I guess I would vote Lamp as a first choice today before I do a reread.

I feel good about b-, you (Voodoo)
I feel that Amni is entirely on the same wavelength as me, so I have hesitated to undercut him, but him having the same thoughts as me is making me suspicious. It shouldn't as usually he came out with them before I did, but if someone is shadowing my stuff it always makes me uncomfortable. I guess I am shadowing him though, so maybe that makes less sense. But still, an undercurrent of suspicion is levied at Amni, but probably shouldn't be.

I would also put Somber in the mildly suspicious of camp.

None of those are super strong scum reads, definitely not the ride or die I had on Maeryln.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

I am feeling Lamp + PJF right now. I would vote Bif just to prove to myself one way or another if my heart needs to be hardened forever. I would also vote OA, but I've weakened in my resolve there. But way better than a no execute d1.

##vote Lamp

Be the change you want to see in the world.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Hmmm, just over an hour left, and a weekend morning... should be prime time to engineer a swing.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

I recall something off about somber that I didn't really want to dig into d1, lemme reread him right quick.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Somberbrero posted:

it feels mean to vote Maerlyn today, are they newer? i do not wish.

Somberbrero posted:

If I haven't played with them they are new.

Oh, yeah, I clocked this soft defense of Maerlyn and wanted to remember it for if she flipped scum.

The rest of Somber's stuff is innocuous, but I would vote there in the face of a no-execute.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Voodoofly posted:

Somber voted me with no content when I voted OA

Then somber voted OA on a flavor argument.

Then somber has made three small posts throwing shade on me, something about lamp (I can’t even remember if it was support or suspicion) and like another throwaway post.

None of this is incorrect. I fail to see malice in it for d1 play though.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Are we landing on OA? It feels like we're going to end up on OA.

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

I am around to switch if we actually get an influx of people, but I have no qualms with voting one of my runner ups.

##vote Obama Akbar

Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Did we wait too long to consolidate? 20 mins left friends.

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Grandicap
Feb 8, 2006

Votecount for Day 1

ObamaAkbar. (6): Jen X, b-minus1, b-minus1, Voodoofly, Voodoofly, Philip J. Fry, Somberbrero, Lotus Aura, Voodoofly, Grandicap
Voodoofly (2): Lotus Aura, b-minus1, Lotus Aura, Somberbrero, Somberbrero, Bifauxnen, Bifauxnen, Hal Insandenza
Retro Futurist (2): The Ninth Layer, ObamaAkbar.
Bifauxnen (2): Amnistar, Grandicap, Retro Futurist, Lampsacus, Toalpaz, Toalpaz, Lampsacus, Retro Futurist, Grandicap, Retro Futurist
Grandicap (1): Voodoofly, ObamaAkbar., Lampsacus, ObamaAkbar., Voodoofly
Lampsacus (1): Bifauxnen, Grandicap, Grandicap
Amnistar (0): Bifauxnen, Bifauxnen
The Ninth Layer (0): Lotus Aura, Lampsacus, Lampsacus, Lotus Aura
Philip J. Fry (0): Voodoofly, Voodoofly
b-minus1 (0): Amnistar, Grandicap, Retro Futurist, Bifauxnen, Jen X, Bifauxnen, Amnistar, Grandicap, Retro Futurist, Jen X, ObamaAkbar., Somberbrero, Somberbrero, ObamaAkbar.
Lotus Aura (0): Voodoofly, Voodoofly

Not Voting (1): Toalpaz

With 15 alive, it's 8 votes to execute. The current deadline is July 24th, 2021 at noon EDT -- that's in about 17 minutes.

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