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Eifert Posting
Mar 31, 2007

Sweet, pointless victory.


Grimey Drawer

We're about to get into camp and I want to know how you see your team BEFORE your favorite player blows his Achilles day one of camp. You can go into as much or as little detail as you like, but what I personally find the most interesting is:
  • Where do you see your team finishing?
  • Who should non-fans pay attention to?
  • What does the team have to fix or change to hit their ceiling?

Since I'm me I wrote a page and a half, but you shouldn't feel the need to keep to this format at all. I just wanna know where you're at.


Predictions and initial impressions: 2021 Bengals



What looks promising:

Burrow is good at spreading the ball around and heís gonna have a lot of talented targets. The offense has the potential to be as good as any Cinci has fielded since 2015 or 2005. Itís going to be hard to reliably defend the Bengals 11 personnel. On defense a couple key players are coming back and seeing what players like Bates - who took a leap despite a depleted supporting cast- can do with a more complete defense will be exciting.

What looks ominous:

Coaching. The team went into last year thinking they had addressed key weaknesses, but they failed spectacularly. I haven't seen any reason to believe in the offensive or defensive playcallers. The line has a new coach in Pollack, but I expect it will still be a liability. The question is how much of a liability. They need to surpass a basic threshold of competency where itís possible to scheme around the lack of talent on the line and not have a limited playbook. On defense they are working to move to an off-zone scheme and I donít see a reliable pass rush. The defense is highly paid but doesnít have many established difference makers -I would say the only two are Reader and Bates.



Keys to the season:

Guard play: They need to find a mediocre or better combination from Spain, Sua-Filo, and Carman. The offense has the potential to be special if they hit on Carman, but if they have another year with Michael Jordan level guard play itíll be a long one. Tackle should be more or less fine and Hopkins is an OK center when healthy.

finding or scheming a pass rush: The defensive line rotation has a couple guys who MAY have promise but thereís no one who is obviously a plus pass rusher. The secondary has a couple good players but they arenít capable enough to cover people down the field for several seconds. This defense has the potential to be AWFUL if no one gets to the QB

Edge defense: running between the tackles should be difficult, but the Bengals donít really have a plus second level run defender to stop runs towards the sidelines.



Guys to watch:

Jackson Carman: slated to play right guard and probably the most important rookie on the roster, if they hit on Jackson the line should be improved significantly from last year.

Logan Wilson: Had a pretty solid rookie year at linebacker. There isnít really anyone else on the roster who has plus potential at linebacker.

Mike Hilton: This free agent slot corner is a very effective blitzer, seeing if heís given those opportunities will be a good way to evaluate the coaches. If they just utilize him in coverage it's a wasted signing.

Chase/Higgins: The Bengals need one of these guys to be a true #1 WR. By the end of the year one of these guys has to be earning double-teams considering the resources that went into them.


Realistic best case scenario:

If the line meshes I could see this team having a winning record. I would be shocked with 10 wins or more, but itís not impossible. I donít see them getting 3 wins out of the division and that limits the season.



Realistic worst case scenario:

I could see the team at 4-5 wins if the coaching continues to struggle and the team gives up quick pressure to 3-4 man rushes.



My prediction:

7 wins.

I see a team that canít stop an above average offense. I think the games will be fun to watch - as long as they have any luck with injuries- but I see them losing fun. I hope 7 wins would get Taylor fired, but Mike and Joe love him so my guess is they keep Zac and fire the DC.


Accolades

#9-15 scoring offense

#24-32 scoring defense

Burrow is on short list for CBPOTY

Chase is in the mix for ROTY but loses out to a QB

Bates makes the ProBowl, the team sends fewer than 3 players, largely because they aren't winning.

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sweet thursday
Sep 16, 2012



I love this thread because a lot of work went into it and so far both posts in it are about the Cincinnati Bengals

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012





I think the bengals have a top ten skill position player group. I think zack Taylor is so far in over his head that he might as well have an anchor tied to him though.

Anyway I would love to post up about the TITANS but will have to do it tomorrow. Good thread idea though

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Your 2017 World Series MVP




Pillbug

Well it's the Texans so the answer is dead last in everything and even one win would be a mercy

What looks promising:
We have our first round pick in the 2022 draft so this poo poo-rear end season won't be wasted. It's basically impossible for us to have as bad turnover luck as we had last season again.

What looks ominous:
It would be significantly faster to list the things that do not look ominous and so far they are that the stadium does not appear ready to collapse like a Miami condominium and that we get to play the Jaguars twice (I know they have Trevor Lawrence but they'll gently caress it up like they always do)

Keys to the season:
Literally the only thing that matters this year is finding out what we have in our young players from the last draft or two. Perhaps our Stanford QB turns out to secretly be as good as the last one an AFC South team drafted or perhaps he's loving dogshit or somewhere in between but we need to know one way or the other after game 1617 is done.

Realistic best case scenario
We do not become the first team to go 0-17, and we get the #1 draft pick

Realistic worst case scenario
0-17, but don't sleep on the possibility of winning just enough to not pick #1 either

My prediction
We will bumblefuck our way into a win against someone who got their QB injured or something, although if you look at the schedule just about the only chance of that is probably the Jets or Jaguars

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012





I honestly am not convinced the Texans are going to be THAT bad. I could see them going 4-13, not good by any means but Tyrod ainít that bad

fast cars loose anus
Mar 2, 2007

Your 2017 World Series MVP




Pillbug

Playing Tyrod would be a mistake after like, game 2 or something. The point is to find out what we have with Davis Mills and anyone else.

Eifert Posting
Mar 31, 2007

Sweet, pointless victory.


Grimey Drawer

I think Brevin Jordan is going to be good, even on the Texans.

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012





The Tennessee Tits

What looks promising:

The Titans have arguably the best skill position player group in the league, a top ten quarterback, and Isaiah Wilson is no longer on the team.

What looks ominous:

Oh man. Our incredible offensive coordinator from the last two seasons has taken a head coaching job for Atlanta. Todd Downing has stepped in to replace him. He has had one season as an OC for the raiders and it didnít go great. The personnel is such that it seems like it should be impossible to gently caress up this offense though.

The defense was arguably the worst in the league last year under Shane Bowen. He has been given a completely overhauled secondary, overhauled line, and Jim Schwartz to hover over his shoulder. It would be shocking if this unit could possibly be any worse than last season but weíll see.

A lot of our best talent (Julio, lewan, saffold, tannehill) are either old or frequently banged up.

Keys to the season:

Better coaching on defense, or a scheme that fits the personnel we have brought in. Whatever.

Improved development from Firkser and Swaim.

Guys to watch:

Kevin Byard: ol Kev went from an allpro and arguably the most consistently excellent player on our defense to the last man standing from a nightmare unit last year. He was moved from a more freeranging, ball hawking role which he excelled in previously. He led the team in tackles last season. If a safety is leading your team in tackles your defense sucks poo poo. If he has another bad season this year his contract will probably become unjustifiable. Which sucks because he was a total stud before dumb old Shane Bowen hosed everything up.

The WR Room: ASSUMING CLEAN HEALTH FOR ALL PARTIES INVOLVED this WR room is a top 2 or 3 group leaguewide at a minimum. AJ Brown is the best receiver in the league with the ball in his hands and now he has Julio Jones across from him. Josh Reynolds is going to be running against single coverage 100% of the time he is in games. I told you that story so I could tell you the following one:

Derrick Henry: dude is going to Either face less stacked boxes than at any point over the past three seasons and rack up a thousand stiff arms on overmatched slot corners, OR teams will continue trying to sell out against him and tannehill and the boys will pick apart every defense in the league. I have to assume he will have less carries on his shoulders this season due to a somewhat more robust group of backup RBs and the WR room. I also am assuming he might just hit 2K again anyway because of the extra game added to the schedule.

Realistic best case scenario:

Super bowl babey. If the defense is even mediocre rather than the unmitigated nightmare of last season this team can definitely hang with the ravens and chiefs.

Realistic worst case scenario:

Injuries to a top heavy offense and no improvement on defense could torpedo the season but even in that event we had a total garbage fest on D last year and still won eleven games. Worst case scenario is probably 8-9 barring a Tannehill or Henry injury


My prediction:

Need to see improvement from Bowenís Boyz before I can go hogwild but assuming decent health on offense I think their floor is 11-6 and a division win. My prediction is 12-5 and at least one playoff win.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001



Passion’s Wrench

Panthers: Defense will have some stand-outs. Offense will have Sam Darnold test positive for COVID-19 and spread it to the rest of the offense and the Panthers have to forfeit a game. McCaffrey gets a shoulder stinger, has to miss 4 games.

Record is Who Gives A gently caress

Paint Crop Pro
Mar 22, 2007

Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.





Probably with a pair of glasses cause my eyesight is finally going to hell.

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008




6-11

yea ok
Jul 27, 2006



The dallas xosboys: its ournyear

e; cowboys

Cavauro
Jan 9, 2008




i wish andey daldeond was still on the boys

Amy Pole Her
Jun 17, 2002


Genuinely unsure of Miami. I really have confidence in both the defense and a majority of our offense but Iím concerned with the ending stream of locker room problems that seem to occur - every year under Flores someones demanded a trade during the off-season or had an issue.

Growing pains and all that but Iím honestly not willing to commit to any prediction until I see how this X Howard thing is handled. If they turn X into another 1 in 2021 draft and get a project player, itíll match my expectations of the plan and Iíll have confidence.

I also really expect a lot of play from our rookies which is always a very simply way to set yourself up for disappointment but man. Miamis 1 and 2 round picks all have a chance to play significant snaps and the skillset to contribute immediately.

DariusLikewise
Oct 4, 2008

You wore that on Halloween?


Los Angeles Rams

What looks promising:
They traded for John Matthew Stafford and dumped Jared Goff all in one swoop. The Rams offense was 14th in passing yards last year in a system where the QB could only make one read and throw. With Stafford on board with the addition of several speedy options at receiver and tight end the Rams should resemble more of the 2018 Super Bowl team then the nothing but stick routes offense of 2020.

What looks ominous:
Cam Akers is out for the season before training camp even begins. I don't think it will be a huge blow to the run game in general, the coaches will just need to put more thought into the RB rotation than the kind of all-in-one bellcow back options Akers provided.

The other thing is the defense was number 1 last season and with the losses of 4 starters and their defensive coordinator it will be interesting to see how much they regress.

Keys to the season:
How much better is Stafford than Goff and how much the defense regresses. If they can maintain a top 5 defense and Stafford can bring them up a few spots to a top 10 offense they will have as good as shot as anyone at winning it all. If the defensive regression is much more than expected then more pressure gets heaped on Stafford to keep the team winning.

The NFC West is also a ridiculous division. The Seahawks and 49ers are both super talented teams that have been able to stop the Rams at their best in the past. How well the Rams do under McVay is usually dictated by divisional wins.

Realistic best case scenario
Super Bowl win

Realistic worst case scenario
A wildcard spot and another burnout in the playoffs

My prediction
I think 13-4 or 12-5 in the regular season is about right with a trip to the NFC Championship at least

Darth Brooks
Jan 15, 2005

I do not wear this mask to protect me. I wear it to protect you from me.


My not very in dept take,

Minnesota Vikings

What looks promising:

The offense was very good last season and potentially got a lot better with the drafting of Christian Darrisaw and Wyatt Davis. How much continuity there is on offense depends on the son of the last OC. Klint Kubiak takes over from his dad. He has earned the chance but it's always a question when the new guy is on his first go round calling the plays.

The QB and RB are in the good to great category and the wideout are solidly in the great category. Kirk responded to a "Need more points" year with 4,265 yards and 35 TD's. Justin Jefferson made Eagle fans hate their GM by having a stellar year. He broke a couple of team records held by Randy Moss.

The defense has been rebuilt. By the end of last season the great majority of the starters were wearing starter jackets on the sideline. If the team manages to stay healthy there's a lot of talent. Mike Zimmer did his best coaching job last season getting seven wins out of team whose defense was constantly losing it's best players. Almost any other coach and the team falls apart and never gets more than 3 wins.

What looks ominous:

Special teams is a question, also how fast does the defense come together?

Keys to the season:

How will Darrisaw and Davis play? They are rookies but they are also the best option at their positions.

How long will it take the defense to get into a grove? There's a lot of new pieces and most of the vets lost parts of last season. Having a preseason will help. Which of the other defensive ends will emerge as the starter opposite Hunter?

Realistic best case scenario

Playoffs and a NFC Championship appearance. Beyond that depends on how the defense is playing.

Realistic worst case scenario

Playoffs and an early exit or the offense gets the injury bug and they fall just short of the playoffs.

My prediction

The team will spend the first quarter of the season adjusting on offense and defense and probably won't look all that sharp before getting very solid. There's a tough stretch where they play Baltimore, Green Bay, SF and Pittsburgh within a six game span. That will tell a lot about the team.

12-5 to 10-7 seems a realistic range.

Quiet Feet
Dec 14, 2009

THE HELL IS WITH THIS ASS!?





Eifert Posting posted:

We're about to get into camp and I want to know how you see your team BEFORE your favorite player blows his Achilles day one of camp. You can go into as much or as little detail as you like, but what I personally find the most interesting is:
  • Where do you see your team finishing?
  • Who should non-fans pay attention to?
  • What does the team have to fix or change to hit their ceiling?

Since I'm me I wrote a page and a half, but you shouldn't feel the need to keep to this format at all. I just wanna know where you're at.




Ladies and Gentlemen, your 2021 Philadelphia Eagles!




What looks promising:

I have no idea.

I haven't been this pessimistic about the Iggles in a long time. It's possible that the WR corps isn't bad? I don't know how to divorce their play from the 2020 Carson Wentz poo poo show. Reagor and Devonta Smith are theoretically the highlights here, while Fulgham was impressive going deep last year but it remains to be seen if he was fluke. I suspect he's going to be like Greg Ward in the sense that they're both players you want on your roster but not as the WR1 or 2. Depthwise there's no way to know what guys like last year's late-round picks Hightower, Watkins are really like. JJAW was complete rear end and hopefully gets cut soon.

The RB room has a lot of names with Sanders, Jordan Howard and Kerryon but there's a reason those last two are not still with their original teams. Boston Scott is great as a change-of-pace guy and spot starter. it sound like the team thinks so too because word is that they're not going to lean on Sanders quite as much this year, and also drafted Phillip Gainwell in the 5th as a passing down back. If he produces and Howard and Johnson aren't poo poo/injured this could be a good RB stable.

Dallas Goedert. I hate him because of his stupid name but he's looked more than adequate.

This is not the worst offensive line in the world provided everyone can stay healthy.


What looks ominous:

This is not an impressive QB list to say the least. I really wants Hurts to be good but he doesn't have massive arm strength and doesn't even seem all that accurate. He's got wheels but seems like one of those guys who's done as soon as there a little more tape on him. Possibly even already. Flacco is now in the decent basement level backup QB tier. Nick Mullens is fine as a 3rd-stringer who could play alright for a game or two but you really don't want to find out.

We still don't have any DBs outside of Slay and he didn't seem to improve the backfield much, if at all.

Ertz is probably leaving... but might be kinda done anyway?

Who the gently caress is Nick Sirianni? Okay, I guess hire someone else further along the Andy Reid coaching tree since that worked out for you in the past but you just fired the coach who won you your first SB so . This reeks of management getting a young, first-time coach who can be kept in check,


Keys to the season:

Don't gently caress up too bad. The division is still wide open because everyone else is wallowing in the same trash can. Just see what the rookies/young guys can do. That may be tough still because we may still not have a competent QB on the roster.


Guys to watch:

Devonta Smith would blow away in a light breeze and I'm worried he will be broken in half. He has a physique that can only be achieved by strapping Gumby to a torture rack.
This'll presumably be Jalen Hurts team to lose at the start of the season.
It's time to figure out if Andre Dillard can be a full time starter at LT or if the Jordan Mailata project has borne any fruit.
I really hope Travis Fulgham turns out to be legit. It's nice when late-round dudes work out.

Realistic best case scenario:

Something like 9-8 8-9 and winning the division.

Realistic worst case scenario:

4-13 and at the bottom of the barrel again. Switch best/worst case around if you'd rather play for draft picks.

My prediction:

6-11 and a 2nd place finish in the NFCE.


Accolades

No.

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Kalli
Jun 2, 2001




What looks promising:
Belichick has always been able to get the most out of talent and after last year's precipitous decline all over the roster, they've added a ton of guys up and down the roster that are + football players. Completely revamped one of the worst receiving corps from last year.

What looks ominous:
Cam, after 2 games last year looked nightmarishly bad. Mac Jones looks to be fairly un-inspiring as a rookie and most of the players coming back from a Covid year off are all in the decline phase age-wise. If they can't get average QB play, then nothing else matters for 2021, you aren't competing realistically.

Keys to the season:
Having Cam look *anything* like his old self or developing Mac Jones enough to get something approaching average QB play. I trust Belichick and McDaniels to get enough out of everyone else to compete, but QB is the issue for this team aside from health.

Realistic best case scenario
Defense is very good based off of an excellent secondary and enough injected talent to have a front that can disrupt offenses. Offense develops as the season progresses and can score enough points to keep them in games and they win a bunch of games like it's the early 2000's again.

Realistic worst case scenario
Cam looks like Cam of last year and can't hit the broad side of a barn. Mac isn't throwing to Alabama open receivers and the offense is dead in the water. Dont'a Hightower doesn't look like his old self and Judon looks like just a guy outside of Baltimore, and everyone just ignores our secondary to pick on a soft underneath

My prediction
Betting against Belichick is a good way to lose money, and this would probably easily be a 12-13 win team with Brady, so let's just say 10-7, wildcard and Mac Jones heroically overcomes all the odds to a Superbowl matchup against Tommy and his Bucs.

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