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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Yeah, Jordan said in interviews that that was deliberate -- he wanted it to feel familiar to people who'd read Tolkien, before he started getting weird with it. Remember this was written late 80's, so a *very* different media atmosphere than we have today. Fantasy was still very much outside the mainstream. My glib boil-down of the whole thing is usually like “oh so you say LotR has no women in it? Well have a story with ALL THE WOMEN IN THE WORRRLLLD hahaha”
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Really looking forward to the WoT-head in my life, the one who claims to have visited Jordan at his house and was at his deathbed and was imparted special knowledge about WoT that nobody else knows, even his wife, and who I just unloaded all his luggage after a cross-country move and a heron-marked sword fell out, the one who insists, per RJ's own mouth, that Aviendha is pronounced "EH-vee-end-ha", to go into a rage when the TV show pronounces it the way the glossary says
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Sep 11, 2021 20:44
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WoT has like three completely unrelated Huans as I recall. It’s one of those fiction things, where for some reason it just seems confusing and implausible to have multiple characters with the same name, and most books bend over backward to avoid it, but it happens in real life all the time Data Graham fucked around with this message at 14:06 on Sep 12, 2021 |
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Sep 12, 2021 14:03
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I want to be sure that the TV show aptly portrays every one of the 5,262 innkeepers we encounter as "bustling". o poo poo is that a spoiler
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Sep 12, 2021 19:50
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Some of the Forsakens maybe
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Sep 21, 2021 12:06
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And then BSG was all like "All this has happened before, all this will happen again" By this time it's a fuckin checkbox trope. e: Also Babylon 5 with its "ages" and all the LotR parallels, but then those were 100% intentional so I don't think it really counts
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Oct 27, 2021 14:58
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It's kind of hilarious that people will be coming off GoT which is full of dragons, and going to WoT which is constantly talking about Dragons but has no actual dragons.
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Nov 1, 2021 17:08
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I'm here for the show being broadly described as "feminist fantasy" That's going to make certain people dismiss it right out of hand
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Nov 9, 2021 18:10
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I still maintain that a lot of what spurred Jordan was the fact that LotR has like no women, so he saw a wide open opportunity in the market for a story with ALL THE WOMEN.
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Nov 9, 2021 18:40
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eke out posted:honestly a very weird first post in the thread lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIx-wmOU8GI
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Nov 10, 2021 13:41
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 Space Needle architects: lmao I wish
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Nov 10, 2021 13:44
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Lol only 6 years late https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgFhZZ7emg4
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Nov 15, 2021 13:27
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At the end you can see it's all just a single flat (well, curved) screen and the building is part of the image. But it must only look right from a certain angle.
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Nov 15, 2021 13:30
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What a strange, stupid article "SOME GIZMO is coming out, idk it's probably gonna suck"
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Nov 15, 2021 18:13
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I'd love to know whether these were "we should have an explosion here, and also can we put a hobbit in it?" notes or "Um excuse me you'll find that in TSR pp.622-625 it clearly states that Miernmninrm became Accepted into the Green Ajah not Yellow" notes
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Nov 15, 2021 19:45
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:telegraph has a review out: Everything he says here is true of the books too
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Nov 16, 2021 13:25
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Did the Greeks use nuln oil
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Nov 16, 2021 18:24
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I often think about when I first saw Fellowship of the Ring, with great trepidation as a lifelong Tolkien nerd terrified that it would be awful or, worse, be "fine" but completely screw up the characterizations. Then one of the first lines is Gandalf glowering archly and going: "A wizard is never late, Frodo Baggins. Nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to." And then his serious face that he's trying so hard to maintain wobbles and breaks and they leap at each other laughing, and I said to myself, "OK, everything's gonna be fine." It's a line that appears nowhere in the text but it's dead-on for him and introduces the character perfectly.
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Nov 17, 2021 19:39
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Hexel posted:Midnight GMT has been the assumption which turns out to be 7pm EST this evening. Dozens have reached out to amazon CSR's and asked this and one will say: yes, midnight GMT and another has said: No, we don't know, it's up to the content creator so I would think it's more up to the content dark one, in this timeline
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Nov 18, 2021 14:51
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A few bullet points: - The theme song is the instrumental bridge from Separate Ways, lmao https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LatorN4P9aA - Also a hearty lol at the clip of the campfire reversing itself when Perrin is looking at it near the beginning of Ep.2. Did they not shoot more than 2 seconds of it and they had no better way to lengthen that shot? - I want to pee on the head of whoever wrote “even the Trollocs won’t STEP FOOT behind that wall" - Wool and sheepherder everything but there's not a sheep to be seen  - Nynaeve whipping her braid out of the way after killing the Trolloc in Ep.3; is that their nod to braid-tugging? Sure felt like it and it seems like a good take on it (especially since her hair isn't really even one single braid like Egwene's is) - Tam has this nugget of wisdom he gives to Rand like “All we have to do is decide what to do with the life that is given to us” like he was directly quoting Gandalf - Similarly, Valda eating the bird felt like they were like "Ok so you know that Denethor tomato scene? You know what to do" - That crossfade between Dana’s blood in the puddle and the line of trees on the cliff, WTF where did that poo poo come from lol, either you do lots of "clever"/"artsy" scene wipes or don't do any, don't just throw one in on a whim when you've established for three episodes that your wipes don't work like that
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Nov 21, 2021 04:27
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What I find really interesting about the pacing is that the episodic nature of the show is really driving home how many different kinds of ideas there are in this universe of who the "bad guys" are. It's like, each episode you get a whole new concept of who the gang are supposed to be afraid of. Episode 1: ok so there's orcs and Nazgûl, I assume they're probably serving some Sauron-type Dark Lord, nothing really new here but I can dig it Episode 2: So there's the Klan in this universe who are chasing the maybe-good-maybe-evil wizard ladies, drat. Also there's a creepy haunted city that doesn't appear to be associated with the Trollocs at all and is in fact as dangerous to them as to the good guys. And what's up with these wolves Episode 3: Wait so now there's literally Satanists? Seems like it's going to keep happening too. At this rate we're still weeks out from even hearing the term Forsaken Also not to spoil anything, but for all the non-book-reader types, if you think you've met even the majority of the main cast by now, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
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Nov 21, 2021 17:17
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Interesting seeing how far they can push drone cinematography these days. The establishing shot of the Whitecloaks camp at the beginning of Ep.2 really did everything it could to show what you can do now that you don't need a helicopter for stuff like this. The overhead shots of the Bel Tine dance too
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Nov 21, 2021 20:13
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navyjack posted:Honestly the Whitecloaks are the biggest thing so far to trip my “aw this is fucken stupid” meter. I’m not looking forward to any Whitecloak-centric episodes. Incredible avatar/post combo though (god I laughed at that Comics SWAT way back when)
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Nov 22, 2021 03:55
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Gonna lol if the Trollocs are these envelope-pushing CGI + practical effects creations, channeling is fantastic looking, the mountain landscapes are mind-numbingly beautiful, the costumes and dresses are dazzling enough to blind their opponents with luxury, and Loial is some extra with an orange clown wig
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Nov 22, 2021 13:12
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Cruzando los brazos bajo las tetas
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Nov 22, 2021 13:56
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Zazz Razzamatazz posted:Other than that the gambling guy is pissing me off a bit. Just kind of a weaselly, corpse thieving, let you chop all the wood then show up expecting a place to sleep a-hole. That's Mat all right Non-book-readers: he's supposed to be "funny"
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Nov 22, 2021 15:05
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Incidentally I thought that during the scene where Moiraine is trying to snow her way past the Whitecloaks, she did a pretty convincing version of the ubiquitous "smile that did not reach her eyes" Looked amiable but just a little bit stilted and insincere. If that was what she was going for, well done
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Nov 22, 2021 17:08
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Sab669 posted:Everyone on the internet seems to have loved that scene but it did not land for me at all. I'm rather annoyed by the fantasy trope of "music that sounds like it was written by some fantasy culture" being equivalent to "sing English words but with the rhythm and scansion all hosed up". Like they add in weird pauses and put emphasis on insignificant words like "the" and "of" just to make it sound alien. Even though it makes it feel really unnatural in a "humans just wouldn't do this" way and not at all the way you'd put together a simple campfire tune with some basic lyrics. I keep noticing this in everything from various LotR audiobooks to that Hitchhiker's Guide TV series where the Betelgeuse national anthem was just the star spangled banner except with the last note of each phrase shrieked up three octaves
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Nov 23, 2021 18:37
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Re: Nynaeve pronunciation -- I finished the 8-hour drive back from Thanksgiving to find my roommate, the one who claims to have met Robert Jordan at his mansion and seen all his swords and artifacts and been told secret lore about the series on his deathbed and has a heron-marked sword among his prized possessions (and who keeps talking about getting dragon tattoos on his arms), watching the episode extremely loud in his room. I heard Liandrin saying "Ni-knave", and my roommate immediately screamed "IT'S NINNY-AV!!!! YOU MOTHERFUCKERS" And then he turned off the episode and started stomping around the house extremely drunk (e: to be clear there is literally a pronunciation guide in the glossary which says "NIGH-neev"
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Nov 27, 2021 04:36
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The fact that the episode made a poke-the-audience-in-the-eye joke out of it (which he probably didn't even hear) is the funniest thing in the world to me, I will take the joy of this moment to my grave Anyway I understand the Perrin's wife thing now, because they were setting up the "axe" comment with the Tinkers as being an integral part of their pacifist philosophy. It's all snapping into place e: Also I love that they bang on pots to signal that they're about to move on. That wasn't even in the books that I can recall and it's a perfect detail to add. Data Graham fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Nov 27, 2021 |
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Nov 27, 2021 04:42
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That's issue #1 that I thought about when I heard they were adapting WoT. Just trying to cast even a tenth of the named characters in the series would make it the most expensive show of all time by orders of magnitude Jordan creating a new character: "Her name is idk, Jeanna" *throws on the enormous pile* Judkin: "poo poo that's YET ANOTHER casting call and SAG contract and ffuuuuu" Never mind extras even
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Nov 27, 2021 18:28
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It’s no spoiler to say that an absolute fuckton of the books is explanation and exposition about how all this mechanics stuff works, and that obviously wouldn’t translate well to a show. The x-ray solution seems pretty sensible (or would be if it were more easily accessible)
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Nov 28, 2021 03:16
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silvergoose posted:I was specifically talking about Lord of the Rings and its movie, and thought that would be a fine thing to post here?? I think the question was more like “why is this thread not a non-book-readers-only zone, the other thread talks about the show too” And my answer is “I have nothing better to do than follow two threads and compartmentalize my reactions”
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Nov 28, 2021 14:02
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Or as if she had no reason to believe he'd ever be successful in breaking down the door! Like that was the whole reason she was smug and calm
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Nov 29, 2021 15:14
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Which they haven't really described in that much detail yet
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Nov 29, 2021 20:49
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Look all I'm saying is, if you think it's impossible to tell the story and also cut out all the descriptions of dresses and embroidery and the honor-shame implications of filling up ditches, I don't want to hear any more poo poo about how LotR is boring because of "landscapes"
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Nov 29, 2021 22:37
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The dagger contains potassium benzoate
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Nov 30, 2021 03:18
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Still can't get over that there's a Madison Cawthorn in congress and he actually signs his name Cauthon
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Nov 30, 2021 14:13
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For that matter I could swear I knew of someone with the last name Cauthon when I was growing up. I seem to recall wanting to call him "cough on" But I can't find any reference to that name online aside from Mat. So I can't tell whether Jordan fully made it up or not.
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Hey a big part of getting way too into a TV show is convincing each other that we can tell individual writers' styles
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