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Odoyle posted:What’s with the slain hyperboar after the Lord’s kiss? Fucker has twice the tusks and studs on its spine. The boar is very fierce in the poem, also Gawain has now finally entered the land of monsters and talking animals.
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Speleothing posted:The Lighthouse is a good comparison to The Green Knight. They're both movies that have a bunch of individually excellent scenes which have been strung together without much thought given to telling a story. what the heck
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Aug 23, 2021 07:44
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Odoyle posted:What’s with the slain hyperboar after the Lord’s kiss? Fucker has twice the tusks and studs on its spine.
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Aug 23, 2021 08:07
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This was neat! I enjoyed the visuals, and I'm pretty sure his mom jerked him off and I also really hate ambiguous endings as a noncommittal trash shrug of writing. But this one wasn't so grievous, the ending was that he chose to face the knight. Making the consequences inconsequential by ending the film focuses attention on his choice. It's aguably the only choice he makes for himself - his other actions are driven by poorly guestimating what's expected of him. The scene where Morgan remote-controlled Arthur's speaking before the knight arrived somewhat telegraphed that she was behind all of it. We got scenes where other characters were "posessed" and spoke out of character (or spoke at all!) - and it harkens back to the puppet show. At varying times the Green Knight, Arthur, the Fox, and the Lady are all puppets of Morgan's magic - but Gawain is a puppet of circumstance right until he chooses death.
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Aug 23, 2021 11:54
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Do you want the sash on, or off? Off, please. Too bad.
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Aug 23, 2021 12:09
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Ror posted:Do you want the sash on, or off? lmao I heard this so clearly in my mind, thank you for giving me a blast of Murphy in the morning
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Aug 23, 2021 13:40
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Boy oh boy this movie was just wonderful. I loved the sly smile when the last line was delivered. One thing that definitely helps with these kinds of movies is avoiding the trailers. I saw it long enough ago that I didn't remember all the details, and I'm so glad I didn't watch it again because every part of the journey felt like a real adventure and I had no idea what to expect. I hope on the second viewing I can spend more time just enjoying the visuals.
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Odoyle posted:What’s with the slain hyperboar after the Lord’s kiss? Fucker has twice the tusks and studs on its spine. There was a cut bit in the screenplay, just before the kiss, where Gawain says exactly that and the lord replies something to the effect that he doesn't even know what half the things he hunts are, the woods around there are just so weird. It's definitely that larger point about Gawain journeying into an increasingly supernatural sort of place. I think there was also supposed to be a scene where he cuts out the heart and makes Gawain hold it.
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Aug 23, 2021 19:40
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I really liked the movie. I like to interpret that the Green Knight spared him at the end since that's closer to the original poem. Gawain didn't necessarily need to die for being a dipshit, but he did need to be taken down a few pegs, which he certainly was. If the Green Knight gives him a nice cut but he survives, he learned a lesson from the entire ordeal. In any case, he at least became a knight
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Aug 23, 2021 22:10
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Emergency Exit posted:
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I just want to add: The halo crowns--while they may be fictional--are so incredible that they deserved to exist in a just world.
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Aug 23, 2021 22:15
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So what was the deal with the giants? Representing a primal, incomprehensible world beyond our understanding, beyond Christianity?
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Aug 23, 2021 22:28
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Delthalaz posted:So what was the deal with the giants? Representing a primal, incomprehensible world beyond our understanding, beyond Christianity? Gav has mommy issues so him seeing a bunch of giants with big mommy milkers and flinching away from their touch is part of his journey.
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FreudianSlippers posted:Gav has mommy issues so him seeing a bunch of giants with big mommy milkers and flinching away from their touch is part of his journey. A marvelous post-username combo
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Delthalaz posted:So what was the deal with the giants? Representing a primal, incomprehensible world beyond our understanding, beyond Christianity? They represented the departure of magic in the world and acted as another challenge for Gawain to fail at, namely accomplishing this journey himself instead of standing on their shoulders
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Aug 24, 2021 01:29
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Pioneer42 posted:Thank you, I like this take. 100% agree! The visuals in this movie are stunning. This is one of my favorites in a long time.
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Aug 24, 2021 02:11
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May the Lord Buddha forgive me, but my first thought as I watched this movie was about video-games, Dark Souls in particular. I'm sure David Lowery is too cool to play vidya; but the whispery, abstruse dialogue delivering darkly intoned prophecy; the grim-dark, grey-skied aesthetic; and the mish-mash of anachronistic period styles all took me back to Lothric and Anor Londo and whatnot. The movie is doubly Miyazaki in so far as it seems to marry the trappings of Hidetaka Miyazaki's Dark Souls with what I've always noticed as some of the strongest themes of Hayao Miyazaki's work: the disenchantment of the world in the face of human greed and hubris. Which is to say I recommend Princess Mononoke, alongside Seventh Seal and Excalibur, as a movie to watch in the vein of the Green Knight.
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Aug 24, 2021 05:13
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To be fair how many times does the hero die? And the difficulty setting of his world is pretty high. So it could be Dark Souls.
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Aug 24, 2021 05:21
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The extreme similarities to Dark Souls are the only reason I watched this movie, and tbh I was hoping for literally any action at all to break the long silent tensions of the film. The long and dry landscape shots of a dead, muddy world and a dead sky with dead trees in the background… all of it was just gorgeous.
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Aug 24, 2021 06:23
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AFewBricksShy posted:I'd give the Guy Ritchie King Arthur a hard pass, same for the Clive Owen King Arthur. The Clive Owen King Arthur is elevated by its director’s cut. It’s not a situation like Kingdom of Heaven where the DC makes it a categorically better movie, but its definitely an improvement and worth watching.
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Aug 24, 2021 13:08
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Guy Ritchie's is a fun frazetta calendar of a movie
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Aug 24, 2021 17:19
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Best King Arthur is Sword in the Stone.
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John Boorman's Excalibur owns and Robert Bresson's Lancelot Du Lac also owns.
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Aug 24, 2021 18:20
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I recommend the weird 1991 gawain you can find on youtube. It’s pretty close to the source material with a comically low tv budget! https://youtu.be/fBEv8xjBJf8
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Aug 24, 2021 18:35
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I think people are a tad to hard on Gawain for his performance with Winifred. Sure, he acted like a twat asking for something in exchange and was rightly scolded, but he did do something scary and difficult regardless. I don't know if I'm going to go night diving into a creepy bog spring full of blood in search of a skull because a ghost told me to
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Pioneer42 posted:I just want to add: The halo crowns--while they may be fictional--are so incredible that they deserved to exist in a just world. the costuming was so sick. the metal plates/creatures woven into arthur and guinevere's clothing especially.
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It's all really beautiful, all the sets and costumes and props, the music, the framing. Beautiful film. Honorable mention to the mannerisms of the main bandit character, more memorable than the leads.
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exmarx posted:the costuming was so sick. the metal plates/creatures woven into arthur and guinevere's clothing especially. Those were cool. Arthur's looked like plaques depicting scenes or something but Guinevere's looked like the little metal body parts you see hung up in some churches, as votives for healing. Might just be for the aesthetic but it kind of fits with that aura of sickness and frailty they both had.
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https://twitter.com/ericweiskott/status/1429935004709265408?s=19
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I haven't been able to figure this one out: At the very beginning of the movie, we see a building with it's roof on fire and two people, a woman and a man, enter a small courtyard. They start readying a horse for departure and the man pulls a sword out before walking out of frame. Then the camera slowly pulls back through the window of the brothel where Gawain is sleeping and Essel wakes him up. Cue the rest of the movie kicking off. What's going on with that brief scene before he wakes up? I can't for the life of me find any discussion of it online.
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DyneAvenger posted:I haven't been able to figure this one out: I took it as a sign that there's a bigger world out there with random unnamed real knights doing real heroic knightly stuff, helping their lady escape and then covering her retreat against unknown assailants. As contrast to Gawain being asleep and hungover in a brothel on Christmas day. No direct plot relevance or whatever (though maybe you could also take it as a peripheral suggestion of Arthur's rule crumbling in his old age?), just a snippet setting up the theme of Gawain being very much not a knight and a bit poo poo generally.
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What I love about the visuals (apart from how breathtakingly gorgeous they are) is how rooted in art history they are. Even when highly stylized, it's a stylization based in historical context visually if not reality as I mentioned in another post. I went looking for more info on influences and found an interview with the costume designer, at least! They touch on the crowns we all love. Here's a snippet, but there's more in the article on the crown design than just this quote, and more about the rest of the costumes, too. quote:The crowns Arthur, Guinevere and Gawain wear are perhaps the most distinctive crowns I’ve ever seen. Was that always the design of the crown or did you try different versions before settling on the one we see in the film? Here's the full interview: https://observer.com/2021/08/the-green-knight-costume-designer-interview/ I'd love to learn more from the folks who were responsible for the art design in the film though. I did dig up one anecdote about Vikander requesting tarot cards the night before her scene at the manor, to use with the monologue. There was an article that had quotes from the production designer, Jade Healy. She talks about searching museums for medieval tarot decks on lovely wifi outside the castle and then sending them to the art director to use for the next day. They also do mention a painter in that article as an influence (Caspar David Friedrich). All the other articles I've found so far have been movie influences. Here's the article with quotes from Healy and director of photography Andrew Droz Palermo: https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/the-green-knight-design-giants-tarot All the artwork was beautiful though. Especially in the beginning with the shield and the pentangle motifs. I love early medieval art. The later artwork in the manor was gorgeous, too. I'd love to read more just about the art history or historical influences. I'd also love to see a library or catalog of all the artwork they created for the film! One amusing thing art-wise I remember from the manor were the hunting tapestries. The first showed a hunting party after a fox. The second showed gawain in his yellow cape being the prey.
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GhastlyBizness posted:I took it as a sign that there's a bigger world out there with random unnamed real knights doing real heroic knightly stuff, helping their lady escape and then covering her retreat against unknown assailants. As contrast to Gawain being asleep and hungover in a brothel on Christmas day. I think that checks out, just a juxtaposition of the expectation of a heroic tale and what we're about to experience instead
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Haven't seen the film, but posters itt have pointed out that they are identified as Helen of Troy and Paris in the credits/script, whose story is used at the beginning of the original poem to basically make the same point. I think someone posted the Tolkien translation? It could have been another thread because this film has sparked interest in other threads here and there, but my first assumption is that it was here.
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Hodgepodge posted:I think someone posted the Tolkien translation? It could have been another thread because this film has sparked interest in other threads here and there, but my first assumption is that it was here. I posted the opening lines here. Edit: I don't know if Tolkien's translation is considered the most accurate or scholarly, but I have read portions of a few modern translations and his just "sounds" better--especially when read aloud. Pioneer42 fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Finally got around to watching this and tbh I didn't love it. I didn't hate it either, but it looked like extremely my jam so it was kind of a surprise. Very pretty movie and a good performance from dev patel though. I couldn't help but feel it was a little bit up it's own rear end and I'm usually the guy who loves movies that people accuse of that. Some of it just felt corny and tbh I don't know what the point of a lot of it was and I didn't like it enough to think too hard about it.
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I also just watched this. Loved it.Simiain posted:May the Lord Buddha forgive me, but my first thought as I watched this movie was about video-games, Dark Souls in particular. I'm sure David Lowery is too cool to play vidya; but the whispery, abstruse dialogue delivering darkly intoned prophecy; the grim-dark, grey-skied aesthetic; and the mish-mash of anachronistic period styles all took me back to Lothric and Anor Londo and whatnot. Yeah this definitely felt like the closest you could get to a Dark Souls movie that is actually really good. As opposed to watching a real life actor trying to fat-roll in full Havel armor. I am surprised by all the bad reviews. I guess I’m just surprised how many people went into this movie expecting and hoping to see a bunch of characters swing swords for two hours. I would not have predicted there was a huge pent-up demand for some medieval fantasy action movie. Also agree there was some strong Gene Wolfe vibes. Just like Severian isn’t, uh, always the most noble of people, but still does risk his life to help others, Gawain does dive into that dark, sketchy as hell pond to get the skull for the ghost. That scene also heavily reminded me of the lake scene with Severian and Dorcas.
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Glimpse posted:I think you’re fine. Even the director was caught off guard by his Arthur’s pronunciation. I know the film has been out for awhile and this thread is long dead, but I appreciate how he fully embraces death of the author before, during, and after filming. Just "I had this vision, other people got involved, and what we got is what we all brought to it." without any enmity or criticism. Very refreshing. I also liked that Morgan la Fey's stairway to her castle's witch loft goes widdershins around the spire.
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I'm grateful for that direction as well--as it lets everyone leave with their own interpretation and still be satisfied. I personally read it as hopeful; that he went home a changed man. But it's just as interesting to read it the opposite, with some nihilism. Either way, the climax is Gawain making the critical choice. Anything further is epilogue. (Spoiler'd just in case the statute of limitations isn't considered to have passed yet for some.)
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I'm glad this thread got resurrected because I just watched this a few days ago. Mesmerized by the visuals. Agreed on the ending, wonderfully ambiguous but I think hopeful, even if we view it in the most negative light - despite Gawain's travails, he makes the right, brave, honorable decision at the end and becomes a knight. One thing I'm struck by is how much this world runs counter to typical fantasy worlds - in Tolkien the magical, pristine world is fading and a world of human dominance and industrial savagery is on the rise. The ascendancy of humanity and Christianity in the Green Knight world is a transient phenomenon - the speech from the Lady in the castle at the end and much of the imagery (including the decline of Arthur and his kingdom) point to the inevitability of nature reclaiming the world. There are powers far beyond the reach of humanity and civilization, and our brief dominance will soon be superseded by Green. It's definitely a film informed by the environmental crisis.
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Don't forget to throw this one into the rotation on your Christmas viewing lists. While it may not technically be a "Christmas" movie, it is technically a movie that revolves around Christmas.
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