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Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
gently caress Ricketts

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Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Tonights Cubs @ Nationals game is going to be incredibly depressing. Bring out ownership of both teams and let fans boo them.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

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Niwrad posted:

Is Madrigal good?

Yeah. I'm legit excited for him and he's MLB ready (although currently injured) and under team control until 2025 I believe.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

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So long Kris Bryant, you are incredibly good and consistent and seem like a really nice dude.

This team is literally at a AAA level.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

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This team might be worse than 2013.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

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I'm morbidly curious to watch tonight's game.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer
Preface this with, gently caress a Ricketts.

If I'm being honest with myself watching the team post 2016 I really don't see how you can blame the FO for this outcome, at least not entirely. Of course in retrospective you'd make some different choices but at the time I never really disagreed with any of the signings the Cubs made along the way. They did show a willingness to spend money, they went out and signed Darvish/Kimbrel and of course some signings just really didn't pan out like Brandon Morrow and Tyler Chatwood and Heyward has never really reached his potential. The real issue was the offense lacked consistency, you'd have some bright spots where everything seemed to click but if the top 4 (Contreras/Baez/Rizzo/Bryant) weren't hitting the offense was basically nothing. Happ has had a pretty abysmal year, Almora had regressed every year since 2017 and Schwarber did hit for power but never really put up huge numbers. Obviously the team was committed to selling after they traded Darvish but even with him this year wouldn't have gone much different. With everyone's contracts coming due at the end of this season it made sense to do this, it sucks of course but it was really the only option.

The only thing I really hated was the Cubs obsession with signing aging utility players and giving them way too many ABs. I don't really get the purpose of signing Jon Jay/Daniel Descalso/Jason Kipnis and Eric Sogard, just felt like a cost savings thing with the hope that it would somehow magically give the lineup some veteran guidance.

Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

Grimey Drawer

Niwrad posted:

The issue is they lost good players and never spent money to replace them. Instead, they had to gut their farm system to find replacements for Arrieta, Zobrist, Fowler and Chapman. Sure they snuck into the top 5 in payroll a couple of years ago, but that's where they should have been from 2017 on. They have the most expensive tickets in baseball and knew a giant TV deal was in the works. Plus, they barely spent before 2016 under Ricketts, so it wasn't asking much for them to spend huge with this core.

I just think it's a cop-out to argue that they did spend. They should be spending like the Red Sox and Dodgers every year they are competitive. The benefit of being a big market is you can buy your way out of mistakes and don't need to crush your farm system to fill holes. This team doesn't trade Cease and Eloy if they had been willing to take on Verlander's contract.

And the aging utility players were a necessity because they weren't given a budget to sign a guy like Castellanos. Heck, even a guy like Kolten Wong or Cesar Hernandez would have been huge upgrades over the minor league free agent route they went with at 2B.

I mostly agree with this. I really wanted them to sign Castellanos and instead we wound up with Joc Pederson. But I also think it was fair for the FO to expect guy like Schwarber/Almora/Happ/Russel to improve during that time and to give them a chance, it just didn't really work out.

My argument for them spending money is that regardless of how much money the team makes ownership will always try to get out of the luxury tax, if you take that as a granted as lovely an excuse as it is then they were spending money but probably not in the right places.

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Popete
Oct 6, 2009

This will make sure you don't suggest to the KDz
That he should grow greens instead of crushing on MCs

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Dogs should have acquired Baez.

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