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Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Can I post in here for the next few hours?

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Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Madrigal reminds me of early career Jose Altuve. That's a really good player to have!

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




I have legitimately never seen a team firesale so quickly than the Cubs did. Feels like a massive middle finger to their fanbase.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




I'm the dude on the left just in awe at the lack of fucks the Ricketts have.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Edward Mass posted:

1998 Marlins.

This may honestly be worse than that.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Ah, yes...I remember the dark days of the Astros, where I paid attention to minor league scores far more than major league scores. Top 30 prospects for the organization? Child's play - I'd look at the top 120 and see how they were doing.

I do not miss those days at all.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




It really goes to show just how awful that Heyward contract is. Imagine the Cubs if that money was given for a reliable solid starter instead.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




So some perspective:

Alfonso Soriano - 7 years, 8.2 bWAR. Contract was 8 years, 136 million. In 2013 he was traded back to the Yankees for basically free.
Jason Heyward - 6 years, 9.7 bWAR. Contract is 8 years, 184 million and runs through 2023.

I think they're both awful contracts but I'd argue the Heyward one is worse due to the money being significantly higher and happening during the peak of Cubs contention. The Cubs weren't great during the Soriano contract and didn't hurt them too much, while the Heyward contract clearly hamstrung them (Note: Really shouldn't have, Cubs are a rich franchise luxury tax is a joke blah blah blah) and prevented them from making some critical changes elsewhere. The Quintana trade obviously was a very poor one in hindsight but at least is somewhat defensible. The Heyward signing, in my opinion, is the worst thing the Cubs did during their window.

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Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Look man I only focus on facts and logic. There's no conclusive data on sWAR out there.

Edit: Fun article from 2019:

https://www.cubshq.com/cubs-baseball/update/espn-ranks-jason-heywards-contract-the-worst-on-cubs-25892

""I know Cubs fans would put this No. 1." ESPN.com. "It's not. Heyward isn't as useless as some of the players listed here, but the length of the deal and the remaining dollars certainly are an issue. He eats up a large chunk of the payroll, and that could have ramifications down the road -- say in 2022 when Kris Bryant and Javier Baez become free agents."

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