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what does americans needing to inconvenience themselves and the status quo to bring about real change have to do with the dem primary for a house seat
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Vomik posted:politics grows out of the barrel of a gun 
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Aug 5, 2021 03:41
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lol imagine being alive ngl that's cringe
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Aug 5, 2021 05:31
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Vomik posted:what does americans needing to inconvenience themselves and the status quo to bring about real change have to do with the dem primary for a house seat Nothing really im just bored
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Aug 5, 2021 05:34
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Dreylad posted:i think people forget that anything past electoralism is harder than getting elected. you have to be more organized, more willing to sacrifice than just getting out the vote. I don't think anyone is forgetting that. There is nothing inconsistent about simultaneously believing both "electoralism is a dead end with zero chance of creating a good future" and "I don't want to die and am unwilling to take the sort of political actions that would get me killed, even though such actions being undertaken by large numbers of people is probably the only thing that could really make a difference." There's no law of the universe saying "positive change is always possible to accomplish without sacrifice and bloodshed." I feel like most Americans (I'm not implying that this includes you), including most people who consider themselves part of "the left," have this dogmatic optimism that all goals can be accomplished through electoralism and peacefully engaging with institutions (despite there being basically zero historical precedent of this ever accomplishing anything significant).
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Aug 5, 2021 06:01
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drat horror queefs posted:All the monsters that mortgaged humanity's future for another cabin on their yachts will remain unaffected and die peacefully in their mansions with lavish obituaries in the NYT to follow them.
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Aug 5, 2021 07:17
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Ytlaya posted:I don't think anyone is forgetting that. There is nothing inconsistent about simultaneously believing both "electoralism is a dead end with zero chance of creating a good future" and "I don't want to die and am unwilling to take the sort of political actions that would get me killed, even though such actions being undertaken by large numbers of people is probably the only thing that could really make a difference." I think it’s bc there is a prevailing human belief that things always get better over time and so people refuse to acknowledge anything to the contrary
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Aug 5, 2021 07:30
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Dreylad posted:i think people forget that anything past electoralism is harder than getting elected. you have to be more organized, more willing to sacrifice than just getting out the vote. At the very least working with the Democratic party goes no where. That's not to say that third parties can win in the US - again the reason that electoralism is "easy" is precisely that it can not directly affect the capitalism system at all - but indirectly via loving up the calculus of career Democrats while they're trying to get their grift on, is probably the most pull you can exert on the system purely via electoralism. But to do that you have to find reasonably competent politicians who can secure some nontrivial fraction of the vote but who are also willing to subsume their personal ambition into the greater political project. There probably aren't enough of those.
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Aug 5, 2021 07:46
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Vomik posted:I think it’s bc there is a prevailing human belief that things always get better over time and so people refuse to acknowledge anything to the contrary I'm not sure if this is really a human belief so much as "a belief in the wealthier nations from the last century or two." I feel like the whole "the arc of the moral universe is long but bends towards justice" mentality might only be a relatively recent thing, historically speaking. I could definitely be wrong about this, though.
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Aug 5, 2021 07:47
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Ytlaya posted:I'm not sure if this is really a human belief so much as "a belief in the wealthier nations from the last century or two." I feel like the whole "the arc of the moral universe is long but bends towards justice" mentality might only be a relatively recent thing, historically speaking. I could definitely be wrong about this, though. iirc the concept of "progress" in the Western sense is something that came with the Enlightenment, so it's ~350 years old at most. Before that if you asked an educated person they'd tell you that humanity's best days were behind it. The Romans cast a very long shadow. Of course if you'd asked a Roman they would have told you everything had been going down since the days of the Republic. And if you'd asked a peasant at any point they'd tell you it was a stupid question, because who even cares about which way humanity is going if you don't know whether the harvest will be enough this year? It's certainly become a remarkably pervasive idea though, and I definitely agree that it's a factor in the post-End-of-History apathy we're struggling with. I curse that Obama quote every time I hear it, it's a rhetorical justification for doing nothing at all, like the man himself.
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Aug 5, 2021 08:29
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt6TCPfFQT8 Vote
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Aug 5, 2021 21:00
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lmao Chris Hedges pessimistic outlook and predictions on the US left always seem to come true for some reason.
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Aug 5, 2021 21:03
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Vox Nihili posted:Congrats to DEMOCRATS FOR ISRAEL on helping to maintains the United States status quo as a pacified Israeli client state I bet you think a shadow council of dark money elders is behind her win Hmm antisemite?
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Aug 5, 2021 22:12
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etalian posted:lmao Chris Hedges pessimistic outlook and predictions on the US left always seem to come true for some reason. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythOLteROK0
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Aug 6, 2021 00:50
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etalian posted:lmao Chris Hedges pessimistic outlook and predictions on the US left always seem to come true for some reason. the craziest thing about chris hedges is he is insanely consistent and simultaneously he wrote an unverified, unsourced article for the NYT that was used to justify the invasion of iraq, lol
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Aug 6, 2021 02:44
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Vomik posted:the craziest thing about chris hedges is he is insanely consistent and simultaneously he wrote an unverified, unsourced article for the NYT that was used to justify the invasion of iraq, lol Someone can be right about one important thing and wrong about everything else. Like that qanon guy who slaps his own nuts real hard all the time. He's onto something there and the msm doesn't want you to know about it!
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Aug 6, 2021 03:13
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let it be forever known that Black People Weren't Having No Bernie
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7h3Zx4bV0RE
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