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We seem to be in agreement, so presumably you see why I think there’s great value in fullclaiming?
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Whoa, Hal’s here?
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Aug 18, 2021 05:38
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If you’ve got a result that you’d want his clearance to post, I’d expect you’re indeed a role cop? Wouldn’t you agree that’s usually a scum role?
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Aug 18, 2021 05:48
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Sandwolf posted:Which would explain why he didn’t claim yesterday when he was at -1. Rolecop isn’t exclusively a scum role. Just usually weighted in that direction. Are somber’s checks clearing? Can I get in on Defend Others Mafia?
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Aug 18, 2021 05:50
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Is anyone else picturing Sandwolf pounding f5 looking for a new way to call somber town or is it just me?
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Aug 18, 2021 05:51
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I’d imagine you’d agree it’s hard to make direct points in the form of questions unless they’re rhetorical ones?
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Aug 18, 2021 05:54
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Who’d want to find out?
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Aug 18, 2021 05:57
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Lol?
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Aug 18, 2021 06:00
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I trust when I say I won’t move off somber you all will know I’m serious?
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Aug 18, 2021 06:01
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You might acknowledge that scum engage in what seems like strange behavior because they have the full scope of the board whereas we don’t, correct? You’ve seen WIFOM before?
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Aug 18, 2021 14:37
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I’ll admit here that I didn’t make the scones, if that’s what you mean?
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Aug 18, 2021 14:45
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Idle Amalgam posted:vanilla has no precedent on alignment, and a rolecop role also isn't inherently scum or town. I believe somber is scum outside of the claim for reasons previously stated. The joking claims and joking suspicion are, as I said in similar terms, being used by somber as a safety cushion. Things he can point back to seriously that could have gone either way in joke phase. Does anyone else agree with this to the extreme level I do?
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Aug 18, 2021 14:48
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Somberbrero posted:I could have easily lied to avoid suspicion. I’m in a position where I have to agree with someone who feels the same way I do? Surely that’s a strange phrasing just to say “you feel the same way” in an accusatory tone?
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Aug 18, 2021 15:33
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Also, what are you referring to wrt steak?
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Aug 18, 2021 15:33
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What makes you feel that it’s for sure a limited use ability?
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Aug 18, 2021 15:44
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If that’s a soft claim in response to my second question, would you consider making it a hard claim? I really think we gotta hit this here today, you know?
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Aug 18, 2021 16:01
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If you’d agree, I think the existence of vanilla scum is a near certainty here? Though why would one believe somber as town rolecop finding vanilla scum?
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Aug 18, 2021 17:39
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Can you ask me after somber’s flip, given that I think it’s quite relevant?
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Aug 18, 2021 18:56
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the holy poopacy posted:so I've been a bit lost but here's where I'm at. Somber is actually a claimed alignment-neutral at best power role, as it’s unlikely town generally has rolecops to counter, wouldn’t you agree?
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Aug 19, 2021 15:18
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Maerlyn posted:He's the only power role we have, at least publically so to willfully launch him into the sun tonight seems like a horrible idea unless there's hard evidence that he's lying about his result on voodoo. I think with Gacha's death he's the only investigatory role we have? Why are you treating him as confirmed town? “We have” etc?
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Aug 19, 2021 15:44
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Imagine I claimed cop here, and that I had a result on somber, would you value that as gospel?
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Aug 19, 2021 15:47
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I gather that and assume it’s a limitation of my questioning that hindered my clarity, but I’d put it to you differently as your acceptance seems further along than I’d argue his claim merits, you see?
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Aug 19, 2021 15:57
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And if I said it was a one-shot, balanced with a protective one shot?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:04
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Maerlyn posted:Lol dumb this down for me a bit please...do I have outside this thread knowledge? 1000% no. Is he lying, perhaps? We could give him a night to prove it and focus on one of the other three scum. I follow this logic, I suppose, but I would suggest that perhaps if somber’s my strongest read it’s the best way forward for me (and ofc anyone else in that position), right? That is to say, shouldn’t scum reads outweigh potential role value from scummy players?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:08
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Maerlyn posted:So what exactly is your result on somber? I’ve intended that to be an example rather than a claim, if that makes sense?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:09
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I’d like to make clear I was presenting a hypothetical argument, if you’ll allow?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:15
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I think we’d agree that voodoo’s lack of dispute can be treated as confirmation, regardless of either’s alignment (somber scum, voodoo maybe)?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:28
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Somberbrero posted:Taste or plastic, whomever survives today. And if both?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:56
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But, fundamentally, if we were to trust a result of a lynch candidate in lylo to choose another rather than rely on reads wouldn’t we deserve a loss?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:56
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Also, is this scum hal?
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Aug 19, 2021 16:57
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How about ref?
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Aug 19, 2021 17:40
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Anyone else think somber is trying to obfuscate scum partners?
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Aug 19, 2021 18:53
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Alright, so I might as well come out with it at this point, as it's something I hoped to avoid having to out. Why would it be better for you, a confirmed town player, to die instead of someone you *thought* was town?
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Aug 19, 2021 19:50
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Also why claim now? What does this inform?
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Aug 19, 2021 19:50
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Can others in good conscience pull out a lurker lynch on Hal when we maybe have one mislynch left all game?
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Aug 19, 2021 20:33
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Maerlyn posted:You also suggested Ref, wouldn't that be considered a lurker lunch? (I can't tell if you're for or against a vote on Hal here). What distinguishes Ref from Hal for me is that I think ref is proactively scummy in his spotty posting whereas Hal is scummy passively for it, if that’s clear?
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Aug 19, 2021 20:40
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b-minus1 posted:I mean I was ready to lunch hal yesterday. Hal voted steak early and then disappeared. He showed up at the last second to say “oh a pgo claim huh” and then vanished again. If taste isn’t happening I will ##vote hal Have you considered my post about lynch value here?
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Aug 19, 2021 21:30
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Maerlyn posted:Are you going to address my earlier questions? We talked a lot, you’ll need to be more specific?
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Aug 19, 2021 21:40
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Oh, no, my lylo prediction is dependent on a mislynch today and successful kill tonight, if you follow? In that sense, you might appreciate why I think a lurker lynch is questionable given more compelling candidates?
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Aug 19, 2021 21:46
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I appreciate that it seems we disagree on whether hal is, right?
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