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Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

I had hoped the kata would show something that overcame my skepticism but its as silly and arbitrary as I figured it would be.

Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 01:39 on Aug 5, 2021

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Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Sorry I meant Kata

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

What I don't get is that katas were all preset when I ever did them. You had to learn the ones that already existed. Like a dance. Do these people make up their own?

I think the announcers mentioned these were pre-existing katas

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

I believe at one point one of the announcers said part of the technical score is how convincingly they defeat their imaginary opponent which, lol

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I forgot to post this, which is the movie that the thread title came from. The song in the movie.



If you've never gone on an adventure about how full of poo poo Frank Dux is, its a magical journey

Actually, a very good new podcast did a great episode about Bloodsport, you all should check it out

https://soundcloud.com/1900hotdog/dogg-zzone-9000-episode-28-an-ill-word-shall-not-be-spoken-of-bloodsport/s-cc8zwB3erXA

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

That's not how you defeat someone.

I was in karate and TKD as a kid and one week of kickboxing showed me how much I would have gotten my rear end kicked in a real fight.

So, in TKD and karate.... when you punch with your right hand, you pull your left hand back to your hip, completely opening yourself on your left side.

In kickboxing, when you punch with your right hand, you put your left hand up to the left side of your face to block any punch or kick that comes that way.

Traditional MA is basically bullshit in real world applications. I admit that it's fun though and I really liked learning the forms and stuff.

Yeah, its part of why I find this kata poo poo so silly. Karate in general is just so silly in the modern world of combat sports.

There is actually a company doing karate inspired full contact kickboxing and its actually surprisingly good and will probably be better than the kumites.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dO1cXBlLMJ0#t=2s

You just have to ignore how silly the production values are

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Traditional MA is basically bullshit in real world applications. I admit that it's fun though and I really liked learning the forms and stuff. I loved getting the belts. In kickboxing and BJJ (Ben Rothwell taught me) it's not easy to get a new belt. gently caress it's super hard to get a belt in BJJ. It takes like 3 years just to get your second one after your white which you buy when you sign up.

Yeah, I have a BJJ blue belt currently

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Olympic Karate should add WMAC Masters rules and add penalty ninjas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jX6hnoCU_bA

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

TKD was one of the worst olympic sports I've seen this year. It's just absolutely awful. Two people doing side kicks for a few minutes, their hands down at their sides not protecting themselves, and getting points for light kicks and just about zero punches to the sensors. Just terrible. And I did TKD for 3 years and was just under a brown belt.

Did you belong to one of the schools that had camo belt.

TKD Camo Belt is the funniest poo poo to me lol.

But yeah, really any combat sport that focuses on contact more than meaningful actions ultimately loses the "combat" element and becomes elaborate tag. TKD and Fencing are big examples.

Its why Judo, Boxing, and Wrestling are still hella legit tho

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I really enjoyed TKD (until I discovered weed) and I was really loving good at it. But watching it is so loving boring and unexciting.

TKD is a beautiful performance but its not really a sport much less a combat sport

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

Watching judo was awesome. Those people loving fight.

BJJ should be in the olympics but I guess it's a bit boring to watch because it's so technical that you have to have a good understanding of it to realize what's happening and who is actually winning.

BJJ is apparently too derivative of Judo and not widely practiced enough to count.

I would be down for Olympic MMA though.

EDIT: I would actually be down for TKD Kata or TKD board breaking as an event.

Mel Mudkiper fucked around with this message at 02:07 on Aug 5, 2021

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

BJJ is 99% on the ground so it's a different world than olympic judo. In judo it's all standing and throws. They get like 10 seconds on the ground to pull off any sort of submission. BJJ is 99% about submissions, but of course positioning which can be judged.

Oh I agree, I just was quoting the current Olympic committee argument against it

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Bring in Olympic MMA and call it Pankration

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

This kata poo poo is boring me now. I want to see some fights.

Theres a famous Kata segment thats popular in Bullshido circles and its hilarious to me how much it actually looks like Olympic kata

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FISIY9s9S6U

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Vaders Jester posted:

BJJ would be cool to see, but it's about as applicable "in the streets" as any other martial art, because you try to pull guard and a man stamps your skull in while you lie on the ground because no one ever taught you to throw a punch.

ok

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

the second any martial art argument gets into what would work "in the streets" its such a hilarious tangent because "the streets" is a nebulous concept that could mean almost any situation.

The idea a BJJ dude would start a fight by laying on the ground and be deeply confused by the existence of these mysterious "punches" tho is a bit silly.

Also wildly off topic, which is that so far Olympic Karate fukken blows.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

edit: oh btw, like 75% of fights out in the wild go to the ground. I'd like to know how to get on top of someone and start beating the poo poo out of their face than to just be a pure striker.

I love watching Old Gracie challenge vids for this reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPaSaRKaqhg

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

hypothetical arguments about which martial art is "real" is pointless because that argument is solved. MMA has solved that argument. There is no such thing as "the streets" but there is such a thing as MMA.

The weaknesses and limitations of karate/bjj/tkd/etc/ have all been exposed in MMA and even if you want to get into "pure striker" vs "pure wrestler" you have dudes like Dan Severn who wiped the floor with Muay Thai dudes without ever throwing a single punch. Its not a grappler has never heard of or seen a mysterious "punch" before

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Boy I wish this kata didn't suck so we could talk about it instead of the same karate argument that has been going on since the letters section of black belt magazine in 1966.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

They should really consider adding stunt ninjas to take the hits and do flips and poo poo

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

I mean, BJJ can still be really hard on the knees, especially if you want to try to work De la Riva guards or X guards.

Time for Kumite which hopefully will not be elaborate tag

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

dun cha dun dun cha (uruuuuuu) dun cha dun dun cha dun cha dun dun cha (urrrrrruuuuuu) dun cha dun dun cha dun cha dun dun cha (urrrrrruuuuuu)

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

oh no that sucked

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

This is giving me big Fencing feels where the two dudes tap each other at the same time and then someone tells us which tap counts

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I don't get it. There is no force behind it. Is it just sparring where you pull everything?

Scoring points I guess.

Yeah, you score points for contact not for force with leads to the issue

Like, that one dudes hook kick at the end of the round was cool but it also felt kind of silly because it was literally a gentle tap with no force.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Everyones Favorite Poster posted:

kyokushin/knockdown karate rules and should get a slot in these tokyo olympics. it's pretty much bare knuckle kickboxing with fist strikes (elbows too i think?) only allowed below the neck and kicks permitted anywhere including straight to the dome. check out some vids on youtube instead of watching lame rear end kata.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flXKilSZbWQ

edit: lol oh yeah and no rounds!

Karate Combat still better :colbert:

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Vaders Jester posted:

Is that the one Bas Rutten is involved in?

Yeah. They also brought in GSP and Lyoto Machida. Surprisingly real good fights.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Vaders Jester posted:

That's cool. I thought the ring looked weird as gently caress but I've watched a bit of it and it's cool.

Honestly I kind of wish UFC or another MMA group was use their pit design because it would end the takedown avoidance by putting your back to the cage

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Rarity posted:

TKD is better than judo and karate imo cause at least in that the scoring makes sense

Scoring in Judo is literally the simplest thing

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I tried watching TKD this year and just couldn't do it. All they do is drop their hands at their sides and dance around throwing the same kick back and fourth. Couldn't believe how boring it was.

As much as karate kata sucks, I would love to see some TKD kata or board breaking or poo poo.

Like, make this Olympic TKD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIRbxpXoEtE

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Honestly I just went back to watching C-tier MMA after the first night because Olympic Karate was awful.

Give us Olympic MMA, cowards.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

Pennywise the Frown posted:

I'm watching a recap on the USA network. KSA kicked the IRI guy in the head and knocked him out. He wasn't moving for quite a while and they took him off on a stretcher.

KSA got disqualified for kicking too hard and IRI got the gold medal.

lol absolute garbage sport

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

I keep reflecting on how deeply embarrassing that poo poo is, especially since Olympic Boxing is right next door letting dudes drop bombs like a real combat sport.

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Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

It's not a sexual thing. Please don't think this is a sexual thing I just like mudkip and babies need diapers, that's how it works.

flakeloaf posted:

Would olympic sponsors be okay with a full-force kick to a competitor's unprotected head?

If not they are punk rear end bitches

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