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BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

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Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
PYF time again?

Lacrosse
Jun 16, 2010

>:V


BONGHITZ posted:

plastic is delicious

I have a night guard and a bottom retainer made of plastic. I've already chewed a hole through the night guard so I'm sure I'm having a midnight plastic snack every night

Bullfrog
Nov 5, 2012

an actually good wapo take, wow

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1440385141675753475

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

this is terrible health policy practice lol

but yeah they should

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass
having a lol that in 24 hours the FDA might approve boosters for some unknown quantity of people, and there is zero preparation or planning or anything for states to be ready. total failure of the administration and no one cares

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

mod sassinator posted:

having a lol that in 24 hours the FDA might approve boosters for some unknown quantity of people, and there is zero preparation or planning or anything for states to be ready. total failure of the administration and no one cares

Not like anyone cares about getting a first or second shot outside of CSPAM, so it won't matter much, about 3rd shots after about 2 weeks of wasted doses.

Acelerion
May 3, 2005

poo poo POST MALONE posted:

you're fine. two days is nothing. my kids have had months of garbage tv time and they're fine.

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012

To whoever recommended the Whoop sensor band late capitalism subscription model: Would it be easy to use one for more people? I can't quite justify 300€ because I'm mildly curious about my vital stats, but if I could talk my ancient dad into wearing it afterwards it might come in handy?

BONGHITZ posted:

seems fine to me

Two heads are better than one

genericnick
Dec 26, 2012


There's a typo here, should read "boosters"

Pillowpants
Aug 5, 2006
9/21/21: State by State Roundup
https://psimpson.substack.com/p/92121-state-by-state-roundup Posted on Substack for sharing


In Alabama, less people being hospitalized but deaths are up
https://www.apr.org/news/2021-09-21/alabama-covid-hospitalizations-are-down-thats-the-good-news

In Alaska, rationing to last weeks
https://www.ktoo.org/2021/09/21/alaskas-largest-hospital-expects-health-care-rationing-to-last-weeks/

In Arizona, deaths up
https://ktar.com/story/4691277/arizona-reports-1934-new-covid-19-cases-71-more-deaths-tuesday/

In Arkansas, nursing home outbreaks
https://www.hotsr.com/news/2021/sep/21/22-active-resident-cases-reported-at-nursing-home/

In California, surge in bay area
https://abc7news.com/coronavirus-bay-area-update-california-cases-delta-variant-lockdown/11034580/

In Colorado, a state full of plague
https://www.denverpost.com/2021/09/21/colorado-fifth-wave-covid/

In Connecticut, 11 cases in a school
https://www.middletownpress.com/local/article/Greenwich-schools-11-new-COVID-cases-reported-16475456.php

In Delaware, horse paste
https://www.delawareonline.com/story/news/2021/09/20/ivermectin-suit-force-hospital-administer-drug-my-husband/8384635002/

In Florida, kids are getting sick
https://floridanewstimes.com/in-tex...r-masks/336056/

In Georgia, the south inundated
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/09/21/sout-s21.html

In Hawaii, pregnant women dying
https://www.khon2.com/coronavirus/second-pregnant-hawaii-woman-dies-of-covid-19/

In Idaho, grim numbers
https://www.idahoednews.org/kevins-blog/across-the-board-a-week-of-grim-coronavirus-numbers/

In Illinois, southern illinois in rough shape
https://abc7chicago.com/covid-illinois-cases-coronavirus-19/11035043/

In Indiana, doctors sounding the alarm
https://cbs4indy.com/news/coronavirus/isdh-2673-new-covid-19-cases-81-additional-deaths/

In Iowa, numbers skyrocket
https://californianewstimes.com/iow...variant/513712/

In Kansas, they're giving 50 million to hospitals to keep nurses employed
https://m.theepochtimes.com/kansas-hospitals-to-receive-financial-support-to-retain-nursing-staff_4006492.html

In Kentucky, Hospitals are filling
https://news.yahoo.com/national-guard-lending-much-needed-091600215.html

In Louisiana, nobody cares about COVID?
https://www.iberianet.com/news/state-region-covid-numbers-continue-decline/article_fcb4f8aa-1aa7-11ec-9cd0-0f1fe122d82f.html

In Maine, record high numbers
https://bangordailynews.com/2021/09/21/news/maine-sees-another-day-of-record-covid-19-hospitalizations-icu-cases/

In Maryland, more cases
https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2021/09/21/covid-19-in-maryland-974-new-cases-reported-positivity-increasing/

In Massachusetts, 4400 cases
https://recentlyheard.com/2021/09/21/massachusetts-coronavirus-cases-rise-4364-over-the-weekend-hospitalizations-drop/

In Michigan, delirium
https://labblog.uofmhealth.org/rounds/delirium-a-common-consequence-of-severe-covid-19-study-finds

In Minnesota, number go up
https://www.minnpost.com/health/2021/09/coronavirus-in-minnesota-deaths-cases-rise-again/

In Mississippi, Tate Reeves is still a moron
https://www.wlox.com/2021/09/21/1669-new-covid-19-cases-61-deaths-reported-tuesday-mississippi/

In Missouri, number getting better
https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/missouri-records-fewer-than-1000-covid-cases-for-second-time-this-month/

In Montana, they ask the national guard for help
https://www.bozemandailychronicle.c...92e3d50967.html

In New Hampshire, the Death Cult keeps fighting
https://www.wmur.com/article/nh-hospital-beds-staffing-patients/37671296

In New Jersey, 38 more deaths
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/09/nj-reports-38-covid-deaths-1822-cases-as-pandemic-becomes-deadliest-in-us-history.html

In New Mexico, record cases
https://theeagle.com/news/local/bra...1d77c3bc2d.html

In New York, border restrictions with canada
https://www.everythingzoomer.com/health/2021/09/21/covid-19-updates/

In Nebraska, they are restarting the COVID dashboard
https://journalstar.com/news/state-...31d43ffc6e.html

In Nevada, cases up
https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/local-nevada/nevada-covid-metrics-flatten-as-surge-in-north-erases-southern-gains-2432169/

In North Carolina, the feds are going in to help
https://abcnews.go.com/Health/live-updates/covid-delta-surge/?id=80126549

In North Dakota, they keep seeing cases rise
https://www.inforum.com/newsmd/coronavirus/7203061-When-will-North-Dakota-see-a-peak-in-its-delta-COVID-19-surge

In Oklahoma, hospitals still full
https://www.koco.com/article/oklahoma-adds-484-more-covid-19-cases-on-tuesday/37680313

In Ohio, cases and hospitalizations up
https://www.cleveland.com/open/2021/09/ohio-sees-125-more-coronavirus-deaths-hospitalizations-continue-to-increase.html

In Oregon, pandemic of the unvaccinated has hit
https://www.koin.com/news/health/coronavirus/stats-show-pandemic-of-the-unvaccinated-hits-oregon/

In Pennsylvania. 5000 cases
https://www.yourerie.com/health/cor...lly-vaccinated/

In Rhode Island, good signs
https://www.wpri.com/health/coronavirus/ri-house-covid-19-task-force-update-september-21/

South Carolina, deaths up
https://www.thestate.com/news/coronavirus/article254408189.html

South Dakota, record high active cases
https://brookingsregister.com/article/35-new-covid-19-cases-in-brookings-co-tuesday-sept-21

Tennessee, there is no end in sight
https://www.wjhl.com/local-coronavirus-coverage/ballad-health-number-of-covid-19-patients-receiving-care-in-icu-continues-to-rise/

In Texas, Austin ICUs are still full
https://www.kxan.com/news/local/austin/no-room-austin-area-icus-totally-full-despite-drop-in-covid-19-cases/

In Utah, cases are high and they want to know why?
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/9/21/22683738/covid-19-hospital-surge-why-is-it-high

In Vermont, record cases, BLEAK milestone
https://www.wcax.com/2021/09/21/watch-live-scott-weekly-media-briefing/

In Virginia, mass deaths in southenr part of state
https://www.wjhl.com/video/southwest-virginias-per-capita-covid-deaths-triple-the-state-rate-for-september/6995588/

In West Virginia, a brief lull - the eye of the storm.
https://www.wvnews.com/news/wvnews/...e5f6c7b19f.html

In Washington, deaths up
https://www.kxly.com/washington-health-leaders-covid-hospitalizations-are-down-but-deaths-are-on-the-rise/

In Wisconsin, hospitals full in northern part of state
https://715newsroom.com/2021/09/21/wi-hospitals-feel-covid-19-crunch/

In Wyoming, national guard being called to help.
https://trib.com/news/state-and-reg...6c2bf00329.html

Cyber Punk 90210
Jan 7, 2004

The War Has Changed

Dixon Chisholm posted:

WE CRAVE DEATH MANE

Sorry, I'm all outta DEATHMANE. Would you settle for some GHOSTMANE in it's place?

FistEnergy
Nov 3, 2000

DAY CREW: WORKING HARD

Fun Shoe

Bruce Hussein Daddy posted:

Do none of you fuckers not work at the VERY LARGE INTERNATIONAL COMPANY that everyone in the world has heard of that just had a big announcement? lol.

yep just saw it on Bloomberg. AdultMart is mandating employee vaccines due to high nudie booth exposure rates. good call, should have been done a year ago

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

lol I went to wire cutter to check out Deals. crossposted from Econ thread

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/why-are-kids-masks-sold-out/ posted:


Why the Best Kids Masks Are Sold Out (And What You Can Do in the Meantime)
Published September 20, 2021
I understand that good things come to those who wait. But being number 82,210 on a waiting list for something is a bit much—especially if that thing is a face mask with a built-in filter, which my vaccine-ineligible 11-year-old needs for school now. “Numbers 1 through 8,450 have been invited,” announced the email to wait-listed customers from Happy Masks (which now limits shoppers to five masks apiece). About two weeks after that first email, I’m number 68,860 in line.

I also signed up to be “invited” to the next restock of the Enro, another comfortable face mask with high filtration efficiency. And, along with approximately 18,000 other people, I expect to be notified about the next drop of the 4CAir AireTrust Nano, a pint-size adjustable KN95 respirator mask. “It is like tryna get NKOTB tix in the ’90s y’all,” a colleague (who’d just learned she was number 84,346 on the Happy Masks waiting list) wrote on Slack.

In the meantime, I made do with two Enros (the only masks my son would wear without complaints) from earlier in the pandemic. When they were in the wash, I mixed and matched, and I begged him to wear a few other perfectly fine, virus-blocking options. (For details on these alternatives, see What if my child needs a better mask right now?).

In a way, I should have expected this when we published our guide to the best cloth and disposable face masks for kids. We call it the “Wirecutter effect,” in which recommendations become so popular that they sell out. Over the past year, we’ve tested the fit and comfort of a range of masks with children ages 2 to 11. And we sent the best of the bunch to a Colorado State University lab to check their filtration and breathability. The Happy Masks Pro, the Enro Kids Face Mask, and the 4CAir AireTrust Nano Mask for Kids were all high performers; when securely sealed, they filtered out 94% to 99% of 0.5-micron particles (about the smallest size that might typically contain the coronavirus). These masks are all now among our top picks. So, yes, we expected to see high demand, especially given people’s search for more-protective masks as the more-transmissible Delta variant spreads. But waiting lists in the tens of thousands and mask rations? Clearly something else was up.

As it turns out, producing kids masks can be more complicated than making masks for adults. Toss in a mutating virus, shifting mask mandates, supply-chain disruptions, and anxious parents—and the result is chaos.

“We’re doing everything we can to get back as fast as possible, but the magnitude [of the demand] we’re facing is nothing like we’ve ever faced before,” Roger Lee, CEO of TAL Group, told me over Zoom. Enro is owned by The Apparel Group, a subsidiary of TAL, and among the largest dress-shirt manufacturers in the world. The company has won awards for supply-chain management. And yet, Lee admitted, the Delta variant and the surge in demand for Enro kids masks have “thrown us a curveball.”

Why are so many kids masks sold out?

A screenshot from the Happy Masks website, showing a message regarding the customer's position in the product's waitlist.
Before the pandemic, most Americans rarely thought about face masks, much less about face masks for their kids. Enro—which launched in November 2020 with filter-incorporated cloth masks promising to filter “99 percent” of submicron-size particles—started out seeing only 100 to 200 orders a day. Very few had heard of the company. And its kids masks, at about $17 each, were on the pricey side, compared with pricing for the three-packs of filterless cloth masks sold by the likes of Gap and Old Navy. By March 2021, orders had risen to about 500 per day, averaging two to three masks per order. But many kids were still learning remotely, and adults were working from home, so there wasn’t a ton of urgency. Then came vaccines, falling coronavirus case numbers in parts of the country, and the CDC’s announcement that masks were no longer necessary in many situations—particularly for vaccinated individuals. By June, Enro was back to about 100 orders per day.

In May 2020, Happy Masks, the maker of another Wirecutter pick, started selling masks with built-in filters on its site, with the relatively hefty price tag of $24 per mask. Even as the vaccine rolled out for more people, sales reached a peak in April 2021, but in June they plunged by 50%. Co-founders Melinda Hwang and Ed Fu were discussing other ways to market their highly filtering masks—such as for cold-and-flu season and protection against common allergens. Like other mask companies, Happy Masks was sitting on inventory.

We all know what happened next. By late July 2021, the more-contagious Delta variant had hit the US, and the CDC reinstated its mask recommendations. This happened just as parents were getting a jump-start on back-to-school shopping for kids, who, in many cases, hadn’t set foot in the classroom for nearly 18 months. With those under age 12 ineligible for vaccinations, parents naturally gravitated toward the more-protective masks, such as KN95 respirators or cloth face masks designed with incorporated filters. As Daniel Williams Hooker, senior lecturer at Cornell SC Johnson School of Business, described it: “Parents seemed to have had a collective ‘holy poo poo’ moment, where they realized, ‘I don’t have enough masks to put my kids in school.’”

“We frequently see comments from parents who say their reason for buying masks was because no one else in their kid’s classroom was wearing them.” —Melinda Hwang, co-founder of Happy Masks

Orders for kids masks spiked. Enro went from selling roughly 300 masks a day to 6,000. Small- and medium-size masks, which fit most school-age kids, now make up 80% of Happy Masks’s sales. Enro is working to restock 60% of its inventory in sizes for kids.

Customer demographics had changed, too. Whereas the first wave of mask buyers were predominantly from coastal states, current orders are more evenly distributed throughout the country, Lee said of Enro’s sales. Happy Masks’s Hwang noted an increase in orders from states without mask mandates, as well as from those that had banned mask mandates. “We frequently see comments from parents who say their reason for buying masks was because no one else in their kid’s classroom was wearing them,” said Hwang.

Some of the most popular mask sellers were completely out of stock by August. Typically, there’s a predictable seasonality to goods, Cornell’s Hooker explained. “Think of beer and the Super Bowl, or costumes and Halloween. You try to predict how many you’ll sell, and you need to order months in advance.” But with masks—especially masks for kids—retailers couldn’t anticipate the need.

As Nathan Frey, senior marketing manager at 4CAir (maker of the AireTrust Nano KN95) put it: “If you already have two gallons of milk in your refrigerator, you’re not going to say, ‘I’m going to the grocery store and getting a few more gallons of milk.’” 4CAir’s kids mask also quickly sold out over the summer. When the company offered customers the ability to preorder masks (for September delivery), its server crashed because of the sheer quantity of visitors. Preorders sold out in a day.

“No one back in June would be stocking 20 times their demand,” Enro’s Lee said. Delta’s magnitude was unexpected, as was the CDC’s whiplashing position on mask-wearing. “If we could have foreseen that, we would have done a lot better planning, and we wouldn’t be out of stock.”

Why can’t companies just make more masks?

Scaling way up over the course of mere weeks is never easy. And this is particularly true with these pint-size masks. The executives at both Enro and Happy Masks told me that each mask is individually constructed using a sewing machine. To create the Happy Mask Pro’s three-dimensional shape, skilled workers dexterously cut and fold the filter and fabric in preparation for sewing, Hwang said. “It’s like origami,” she explained. This involves finding available—as well as qualified—manufacturers to shore up supply. Hwang told me Happy Masks just rejected two potential manufacturers because in test samples they hadn’t sewn in the filters tightly enough.

And for companies that already own one (or several) manufacturing facilities—as in the case of The Apparel Group, maker of Enro masks—more workers needed to be hired, and shifts had to be added. Plus, The Apparel Group’s Lee noted that because of pandemic challenges, some facilities had to work at reduced capacity or had shut down altogether.

Companies also depend on outside suppliers and subcontractors, which may have competing priorities. When vaccines became available, garment orders from the United States and Europe shot up, said Lee, presumably because more people started shopping for something nice to wear as they began to venture outside their homes. When the spike in demand for kids masks began, Enro discovered that mills were fully booked to make fabric for clothing. Frey of 4CAir explained that although the company makes its own filters, a separate manufacturer heat-presses them into the disposable masks it sells. By the time orders started soaring, the plant that 4CAir previously partnered with for this task had already been reserved by other clients.

Mask makers are trying to reduce the shopping angst. For instance, 4CAir is currently looking at manufacturing plants in the United States. These facilities tend to be more available and make transporting products easier, though they also tend to charge more for their services, Frey said. Both Happy Masks and Enro have limited the number of people shopping at each restock event, too, thereby minimizing the risk of masks disappearing from virtual shopping carts before shoppers are able to check out. (You might also notice fewer designs, and that’s because a simpler menu makes producing more masks easier.)

When vaccines became available, garment orders shot up. Then when demand for kids masks spiked, mills were already fully booked to make fabric for clothing.

If you’re interested only in Happy Masks or Enro masks for kids, you’ll likely be sitting on the waiting list for a few more weeks. Happy Masks’s emails don’t provide a timeframe as to when wait-listed people may be called to shop, but the company does let you track your progress, and it proactively updates customers via social media. As for Enro, once you sign up for a spot on its waiting list, the company predicts a wait of one to two weeks to purchase masks. I was invited to shop eight days after signing up, though the company estimates that processing my order will take another five to seven business days. Lee said Enro hopes to stabilize its inventory by mid-October. Frey said 4CAir expects to make shipments around that time, too.

What if my child needs a better mask right now?

While you wait for inundated companies to restock, there are other options. Though we’re still in the process of lab-testing the filter-incorporated LL.Bean Non-Medical Mask, we’ve found that it’s constructed with similar materials to those in the Enro mask. And it comes in a small size that may fit older kids. However, L.L.Bean says its mask is effective for only 20 machine washes, compared with Enro’s claimed 100. (We’re also testing the filtration and breathability of filter-incorporated masks, including the Happy Masks Pro and the Enro, after certain numbers of washes.)

You might also consider other respirator masks for your child. Powecom—which makes a mask that’s a pick in our guide to the best medical-style masks for adults—recently introduced a kid-size KN95-SM, sold exclusively by Bona Fide Masks. WellBefore offers a KN95 mask that comes in three kid-specific sizes, all with handy ear-loop adjusters. Harley, a maker of N95 masks for adults, now designs a boat-shaped mask for kids. We’re currently testing all of these disposable options and will report back soon. (If your child, like mine, complains that disposable respirators smell, I’ve had some luck taking the masks out of the package and airing them out overnight before using them.)

If respirator masks don’t fit your kid well, you might consider using surgical-style masks. DemeTech, maker of a Wirecutter pick for adults, now offers a small surgical mask meant for children. These pleated disposable masks are more expensive than many boxed face masks you can find online, but they’re also FDA 510(k)–cleared and meet ASTM Level 3 standards—meaning they can block 98% of particles as small as 0.1 micron in diameter, assuming a good seal. A problem with surgical-style masks, especially for kids, is that they tend not to seal well at the sides of the face. To make them more effective, you can either pleat and knot them (as shown in this CDC video) or layer them with a good-fitting cloth mask on top. Unfortunately, neither may be realistic, especially for younger kids.

Another possibility is to experiment with adding a filter to a pocketed cloth mask (such as the Scout & Indiana Kids Face Mask or Vistaprint mask). You can purchase filters (try ones from Graf Lantz or these from Amazon, which we tested last year), or you can make your own by cutting the loops off a surgical mask. The Graf Lantz Zenbu, a pick in our adult cloth masks guide, comes in a petite size that might fit bigger kids, and it has a pocket for a filter (the same one we recommend above, sold separately). According to our lab tests, with the filter inserted, the Graf Lantz mask blocked 90% of particles as small as 0.5 micron, assuming a tight seal.

I don’t really want a respirator but disposables will run out eventually.

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970

BONGHITZ
Jan 1, 1970


e: the dead baby story from reddit

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
Mississippi population is probably going to dip considerably this year and next. Cases/hospitalizations declining but still staying uncomfortably high, not ideal.

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


BONGHITZ posted:

e: the dead baby story from reddit

People die, and we need to get over it, hmm?

Sounds like the boss is volunteering

Der Meister
May 12, 2001


I choose to believe this is fake because I have no choice

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008
No poo poo, if I can "do my own research" and guzzle horse paste, I should also be able to the right thing as well

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008

BONGHITZ posted:

e: the dead baby story from reddit
I see 😭 used ironically so often that seeing 😭 used earnestly for a loving gutpunch like this, it's kind of alot man 😭

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008

Der Meister posted:

I choose to believe this is fake because I have no choice
This post also had a few pictures of her holding her baby, it's loving gut wrenching and she should absolutely somethingsomething her boss

100 degrees Calcium
Jan 23, 2011



Der Meister posted:

I choose to believe this is fake because I have no choice

There's a philosophy amongst regulars at the GBS r/relationships thread that it doesn't matter in most cases if a specific story is fake, because it's probably true somewhere anyway.

Der Meister
May 12, 2001

tenderjerk posted:

This post also had a few pictures of her holding her baby, it's loving gut wrenching and she should absolutely somethingsomething her boss

fuckin hell man what an extravagant hoax

Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud
Apr 7, 2003


even without the pictures you can be sure it's real because the boss's behavior reaches higher levels of depravity than even the goblins and doomers that inhabit this thread could come up with.

mod sassinator
Dec 13, 2006
I came here to Kick Ass and Chew Bubblegum,
and I'm All out of Ass

tenderjerk posted:

I see 😭 used ironically so often that seeing 😭 used earnestly for a loving gutpunch like this, it's kind of alot man 😭

this is crack ping:

mazzi Chart Czar
Sep 24, 2005

genericnick posted:

There's a typo here, should read "boosters"


The ventilated meme-screams of a dying death cult.

UnfortunateSexFart
May 18, 2008

𒃻 𒌓ð’‰𒋫 𒆷ð’€𒅅𒆷
𒆠𒂖 𒌉 𒌫 ð’®𒈠𒈾𒅗 𒂉 𒉡𒌒𒂉𒊑


Pittsburgh Fentanyl Cloud posted:



lol they're gonna start making prison inmates work in fast food. Just you wait.

In Canada they have a constantly revolving underclass of "temporary foreign workers" for these sorts of roles, so basically every fast food employee/janitor etc is a desperately poor Filipina or Indian who would not otherwise be allowed to immigrate, and if they quit the job for any reason they have to leave the country. The carrot is if they stay for five years they can apply for permanent residency and bring their family over.

This leads to massive abuse by employers of course. I'm surprised it's not already a thing in America tbh, but I guess you guys already imported your own slave class a few centuries ago.

One of the biggest culture shocks moving down under was seeing that fast food workers etc are somewhat financially comfortable locals who make at least $25 an hour (considerably more than that usually, especially if they work nights or weekends when the government forces double pay). Living here is what I imagine North America was like for boomers in the 60s. Capitalism always goes the same way but I'll take the slightly smaller gulf between the haves and have-nots while I can.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

UnfortunateSexFart posted:

In Canada they have a constantly revolving underclass of "temporary foreign workers" for these sorts of roles, so basically every fast food employee/janitor etc is a desperately poor Filipina or Indian who would not otherwise be allowed to immigrate, and if they quit the job for any reason they have to leave the country. The carrot is if they stay for five years they can apply for permanent residency and bring their family over.

This leads to massive abuse by employers of course. I'm surprised it's not already a thing in America tbh, but I guess you guys already imported your own slave class a few centuries ago.

One of the biggest culture shocks moving down under was seeing that fast food workers etc are somewhat financially comfortable locals who make at least $25 an hour (considerably more than that usually, especially if they work nights or weekends when the government forces double pay). Living here is what I imagine North America was like for boomers in the 60s. Capitalism always goes the same way but I'll take the slightly smaller gulf between the haves and have-nots while I can.

US has a similar sort of thing for contract tech industry workers in the bay area.

Companies also love hanging the thread of "We'll replace" you over the FT employees heads for a additional power trip.

tenderjerk
Nov 6, 2008
I know it's easy to dismiss this kind of thing but my brain keeps going back to the one lady who refused to get a vaccine then relented once she needed it in order to see gabriel iglesias do standup
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1440363772011417614?s=19

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


UnfortunateSexFart posted:

In Canada they have a constantly revolving underclass of "temporary foreign workers" for these sorts of roles, so basically every fast food employee/janitor etc is a desperately poor Filipina or Indian who would not otherwise be allowed to immigrate, and if they quit the job for any reason they have to leave the country. The carrot is if they stay for five years they can apply for permanent residency and bring their family over.

This leads to massive abuse by employers of course. I'm surprised it's not already a thing in America tbh, but I guess you guys already imported your own slave class a few centuries ago.

One of the biggest culture shocks moving down under was seeing that fast food workers etc are somewhat financially comfortable locals who make at least $25 an hour (considerably more than that usually, especially if they work nights or weekends when the government forces double pay). Living here is what I imagine North America was like for boomers in the 60s. Capitalism always goes the same way but I'll take the slightly smaller gulf between the haves and have-nots while I can.

21st century indentured servitude

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

tenderjerk posted:

I know it's easy to dismiss this kind of thing but my brain keeps going back to the one lady who refused to get a vaccine then relented once she needed it in order to see gabriel iglesias do standup
https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1440363772011417614?s=19

Huh, they sure changed their tune

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Obq3S2QIiDc

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Mr. Lobe posted:

21st century indentured servitude

People get squirrely when I call it "wage slavery" but how else do you define a labor relationship where you either work or you go homeless and starve?

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Warmachine posted:

People get squirrely when I call it "wage slavery" but how else do you define a labor relationship where you either work or you go homeless and starve?

It owned when Wasteland 3 had a actual IWW song

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=calP8tsfnA8

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

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etalian posted:

US has a similar sort of thing for contract tech industry workers in the bay area.

Companies also love hanging the thread of "We'll replace" you over the FT employees heads for a additional power trip.

Yeah. For folks who aren't familiar, look up the H-1B visa program.

Not only do you have to leave if you quit your job, you also have to leave if you get fired and can't find another company with an H-1B visa for you within 60 days. Given how much companies love abusing the gently caress out of those things for cheaper labor, your odds of finding something in that timeframe aren't too good.

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



UnfortunateSexFart posted:

In Canada they have a constantly revolving underclass of "temporary foreign workers" for these sorts of roles, so basically every fast food employee/janitor etc is a desperately poor Filipina or Indian who would not otherwise be allowed to immigrate, and if they quit the job for any reason they have to leave the country. The carrot is if they stay for five years they can apply for permanent residency and bring their family over.

This leads to massive abuse by employers of course. I'm surprised it's not already a thing in America tbh, but I guess you guys already imported your own slave class a few centuries ago.

One of the biggest culture shocks moving down under was seeing that fast food workers etc are somewhat financially comfortable locals who make at least $25 an hour (considerably more than that usually, especially if they work nights or weekends when the government forces double pay). Living here is what I imagine North America was like for boomers in the 60s. Capitalism always goes the same way but I'll take the slightly smaller gulf between the haves and have-nots while I can.

part of the problem in the US at the moment is that the anti-immigration crazies largely got their wish under Trump and now is time to face the inevitable consequences. The UK as I understand it is seeing this even worse than we are.

And no, nobody thought it through. The form this in the beforetimes was stuff like a franchisee chain implementing ID verification and then suddenly finding out like half their management and store-level staff have gotta be fired now.

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