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 welcome to the NEW lgbt thread. this is a chat thread for da gays and people who want to talk about lgbt manga/anime/etc. in practice this means there is a lot of crossover with the shoujo thread. but this is a more casual chat style thread so there are less things off topic— like we started discussing horror movies a bit last thread and it prob come up again. You don't have to be a card carrying homo to post here but no performative allyship, people got weird last thread. Avoid posting personal details, LGBT threads have been targeted by offsites before. Be mindful of what ya link, most series have tags on them but if you think the tags don't cover content that can be triggering or you think it should especially be noted do so. Try to avoid going too guns ablazin on everything you disagree with. Everyone who posts here is likely going to be passionate about lgbt meda and its probable they're lgbt themselves. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a6Wqq4zifw this thread was sponsored by Lady in Mystery
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i thought about using the second post here to be a list of recs from people in the thread but i decided against it. i think it would be a good idea for the first few pages though if anyone wants to rec stuff in general to do so since this is what people are going to see first when they click the thread.
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I honestly wish there was more outright trans rep in anime and manga. Maybe I’ve just been missing it, but most of the non-cisnormative rep is couched in “haha gender-nonconforming presentation but nope actually definitely a boy!!”. Which is all well and good, GNC rep is important, but we’re just outright rare in comparison. It actually kinda bugs me, and I think a lot of it is authors either being too scared to fully commit, or chasing some fetishistic 4chan-style fad. Cause I know for a fact that there’s Japanese trans people, so it’s not some ethnocentric “this concept doesn’t exist in the East” bullshit. The trans/GNC rep we do get is often of the idealistic anime waifu garbage nature too. I’d really love to see more realistic, non-turbofemme rep. Gimme some bikers or programmers or something (not biased, I promise). Double House and Shimanami Tasogare were great about this sort of thing.
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Aug 26, 2021 15:40
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Pollyanna posted:I honestly wish there was more outright trans rep in anime and manga. Maybe I’ve just been missing it, but most of the non-cisnormative rep is couched in “haha gender-nonconforming presentation but nope actually definitely a boy!!”. Which is all well and good, GNC rep is important, but we’re just outright rare in comparison. i mean i think its getting better over the years. i dunno, i don't think its exactly fair to say people are scared to commit or are chasing "fads" like the video I link in the OP there mangaka wrote something kinda problematic but like you watch it and you are like "well this does seem like it came out of their own dysphoria." like there can be complexities with this stuff, still sucks though. e: also im annoyed with you because of the programmers meme >:i Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 15:51 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 15:43
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I need to catch up on Brother's Wife but it seems like whoever does it these days doesn't update it on Mangadex.
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Aug 26, 2021 15:43
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Aug 26, 2021 15:46
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Manga is a market-driven medium, unfortunately, so you're simply not gonna see a lot of trans stuff other than indie/self-published work.
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Pollyanna posted:I honestly wish there was more outright trans rep in anime and manga. Maybe I’ve just been missing it, but most of the non-cisnormative rep is couched in “haha gender-nonconforming presentation but nope actually definitely a boy!!”. Which is all well and good, GNC rep is important, but we’re just outright rare in comparison. Have you watched zombieland saga? I thought they did a really good job.
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Completely unrelated to anything else, I'm very much a fan of the art style used for the picture in the OP - the full image definitely has some possibilities for being embiggened with neural networks, so that it can be used for a poster. Alright, so continuing a conversation from the intermediary thread: Snooze Cruise posted:i mean it does pop up but its often like something that gets mention about the character like once initially. there was just a character in whispering you a love song but she showed up like 2 chapters so didn't felt worth mentioning but it wasn't really a minor thing with her and she was in a relationship. for an on going thing i would argue for Ise-san and Shima-san which had a whole chapter dedicated to the one lady being into a dude but i guess people would call the main relationship subtext even though the author is posting tweets of her gnawing on the lady character when drunk. The first can be interpreted to mean that it's just a person who's been in the closet so much that they've even been lying to themselves (which is sadly still a thing to this day), so it doesn't really strike me as the best example of a bisexual character, but maybe I'm just being too picky. Having said all of that though, I haven't actually read either of the ones you're talking about, because they're not yet completely scanlated/translated, and I like to read stories in one sitting (or as close to it as it's possible). So I'm definitely looking forward to them. As to you mentioning that it exists in manhwa, I just finished Ring My Bell, and it does also have a character who's into both women and men - but again, it's "just" a side character, and unless the author follows it up with another series focusing on the story of the side characters, it isn't exactly the kind of ending that I'd wish for, if I had a choice in the matter. Pollyanna posted:I honestly wish there was more outright trans rep in anime and manga. Maybe I’ve just been missing it, but most of the non-cisnormative rep is couched in “haha gender-nonconforming presentation but nope actually definitely a boy!!”. Which is all well and good, GNC rep is important, but we’re just outright rare in comparison. BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 15:54 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 15:50
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:Have you watched zombieland saga? I thought they did a really good job. I haven't watched S2, did they flesh out Lily further? If so,  , but still falls under the overly anime clause.
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Aug 26, 2021 15:51
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Alright, so continuing a conversation from the intermediary thread: ahh yeah completely get that. i had it mind and i think the stuff i mention avoids that, i can't remember exactly how Would be Great went though. but like in this case the character in Love Song is a miss opportunity for another character, confesses she loved her too but she loves her current boyfriend so she isn't going to break up with him and turns her down but it ends amicably
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Aug 26, 2021 15:55
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Snooze Cruise posted:i mean i think its getting better over the years. i dunno, i don't think its exactly fair to say people are scared to commit or are chasing "fads" like the video I link in the OP there mangaka wrote something kinda problematic but like you watch it and you are like "well this does seem like it came out of their own dysphoria." like there can be complexities with this stuff, still sucks though. I agree that it's complex, I just don't know what to think about a large contingent of people still being reliant on an characterization intermediary to separate themselves from the fact that presentation != identity != etc. quote:e: also im annoyed with you because of the programmers meme >:i I said I wasn't biased!!!!!!!!!
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Aug 26, 2021 15:56
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Aug 26, 2021 15:58
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I just finished re-reading Usotsuki Lily and I feel like it's one of the better instances, but there's also Prunus Girl - but both of them aren't very new, so I get what you're saying, and I think it'd be good to have more of that too. Usotsuki Lily is just het with crossdressing from what I remember. I forgot about Prunus Girl, that's one decent too, but still a tad lacking. Prunus Girl is closer to the core of the conversation by explicitly saying it's about presentation and that the specific identity is not important, especially cause it makes a point of not trying to "reveal" any sort of truth. Also anime waifu.
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Aug 26, 2021 15:59
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Program Me, while being rather fetishistic with some BDSM elements, features two programmers. they aren't trans... but i do like it yeah
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Aug 26, 2021 15:59
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Pollyanna posted:I haven't watched S2, did they flesh out Lily further? If so, I wish Lily had gotten more in S2, but her episode was in part about how she's fully comfortable with herself which I thought was a good message.
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Pollyanna posted:Usotsuki Lily is just het with crossdressing from what I remember. Snooze Cruise posted:they aren't trans... but i do like it yeah
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Aug 26, 2021 16:06
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I just realized that My Wife Is a Man finished very recently, and the tags are very powerful. Yeah but it's BL, not trans rep.
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Aug 26, 2021 16:08
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Pollyanna posted:I honestly wish there was more outright trans rep in anime and manga. Maybe I’ve just been missing it, but most of the non-cisnormative rep is couched in “haha gender-nonconforming presentation but nope actually definitely a boy!!”. Which is all well and good, GNC rep is important, but we’re just outright rare in comparison.
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Aug 26, 2021 16:14
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I'm just so sick of small and cute. Gimme someone that looks like I do 
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Aug 26, 2021 16:16
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Windmill slam Tokyo Godfathers. Probably also one of my all-time favorite movies. Also, I just realize I completely missed the point of your post, and thought you were saying there should be more trap characters, so please feel free to call me an idiot, because I am one. 
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Aug 26, 2021 16:19
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i wish there was more stuff like double house yeah but i do get a lot out of wish fulfillment stuff like this so i don't end up complaining much. also im hot irl so i don't get disappointed by them not looking like me cause im better lookin' B)
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Aug 26, 2021 16:24
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:Windmill slam Tokyo Godfathers. please lets make this the only instance of this word being used
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Yyyyeah, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here cause it's still used when it REALLY shouldn't be, but as a trans person, don't use that word - it's been used against us in a negative fashion. That's why I use "gender-nonconforming-presenting individuals", cause so far there's no shorthand that hasn't been used in a hosed up fashion. (F-boy is also in questionable standing, by the way.) Snooze Cruise posted:i wish there was more stuff like double house yeah but i do get a lot out of wish fulfillment stuff like this so i don't end up complaining much. also im hot irl so i don't get disappointed by them not looking like me cause im better lookin' B) I used to be really into that stuff, like 2007-2008 era. It's been over 13 years since I transitioned and it all rings very...not hollow, but differently. Kinda like the change from the silver age to the dark age of comic books. Pollyanna fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Aug 26, 2021 |
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Aug 26, 2021 16:27
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You know what, please probate me for that, that was unconscionable of me.
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i think that one is fine? like the other thing implies trickery and predatory behavior and while what you are saying can be sexualized it does just read more on the face of it just describing "this is a nonconforming presentation"
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Aug 26, 2021 16:29
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It's fine, I forgive you. But do make note of the terminology's baggage.Snooze Cruise posted:i think that one is fine? like the other thing implies trickery and predatory behavior and while what you are saying can be sexualized it does just read more on the face of it just describing "this is a nonconforming presentation" I keep seeing less-savory parts of the internet use it in a fetishistic fashion, and I'm still  over its predecessor, so I tend to be a bit wary of the term. But the fact that it's used as an identity means I should be less lovely about it, I think. Okay, femboy is fine.
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I appreciate that you give me the benefit of the doubt, despite the fact that I don't feel like I deserve it - I know better, if I'd taken even a second to think about it.Snooze Cruise posted:i wish there was more stuff like double house yeah but i do get a lot out of wish fulfillment stuff like this so i don't end up complaining much. also im hot irl so i don't get disappointed by them not looking like me cause im better lookin' B)
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Aug 26, 2021 16:32
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how you feel about it is how you feel about it but theres no real need to be the gender police about it is my take. the yugioh cards with the pink borders is one thing because as mentioned the term itself inherently implies a kind of trickery but the fact is any term that refers to femme presented gay dudes is A) gonna be a 'successor' and B) is gonna be used in a fetishy way. at a certain point youre just moving deck chairs.
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Aug 26, 2021 16:33
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Endorph posted:how you feel about it is how you feel about it but theres no real need to be the gender police about it is my take. the yugioh cards with the pink borders is one thing because as mentioned the term itself inherently implies a kind of trickery but the fact is any term that refers to femme presented gay dudes is A) gonna be a 'successor' and B) is gonna be used in a fetishy way. at a certain point youre just moving deck chairs.
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Aug 26, 2021 16:35
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:I get your point, but I also don't think it's up to me to say how others should be represented - it's their voices that should be heard, not mine.
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Aug 26, 2021 16:38
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Pollyanna posted:I used to be really into that stuff, like 2007-2008 era. It's been over 13 years since I transitioned and it all rings very...not hollow, but differently. Kinda like the change from the silver age to the dark age of comic books. i really want to make fun of you for the comic books comparison here you dork. but yeah i do understand that. something bothers me, which you are not doing tbc, is when some trans people imply like everyone is going to grow out of liking stuff like this once they transition. i understand where it comes from since, it may be seen as more fetishistic and i think people inherently want to get away from that since a line used by TERFs is all of this is just a fetish.
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Aug 26, 2021 16:39
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Endorph posted:i get you feel bad but i wasnt replying to you and also you running down the apology tour checklist is kinda uncomfortable lol, like it feels very performative and at this point accounts for like 25% of the posts in this thread. just say 'sorry, my bad, wont happen again' 
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Endorph posted:femboys... good 
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im going to do some quick general recs since nobody else is doing them, sob sob its going to be all yuri because that is mostly what i read Amano Shuninta's Sweet Guilty Love Bites. About a group of hostesses. Short and sweet, multiple couples. Octave tends to be a classic go to recommendation on here, but for good reason. Its weird and introspective, and the author's recent one shots have been really good. Still Sick... is still sick! Read Still Sick. It has OLs and they draw gay manga and stuff. Some ongoing stuff tmfly's So Do You Want To Go Out Or. Its good. Read it. its good. Read it. Ise-san and Shima-san. Its tag as subtext but the one lady is straight up comes out of the closet and the author is drawing art of the other one gnawing on her affectionately when she gets drunk so...Its a cute series I like it only two chapters so far but Maitsuki, Niwatsuki, Ooyatsuki has some really attractive art, the premise has been solid, and i have high hopes for it[/url]
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Snooze Cruise posted:tmfly's So Do You Want To Go Out Or. Its good. Read it. its good. Read it. Also want to mention that Lydia and I are back on the grind irt translating it. Please look forward to more!
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Aug 26, 2021 17:21
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