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Bizarro Kanyon
Jan 3, 2007

Something Awful, so easy even a spaceman can do it!


Obviously, it is Sting who has been upset about being accused of murder.

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I love that it could equally be a case of "The actors really did crack things" or "The actors, like television watchers, are speculating on extremely limited information and jumping to conclusions based on dramatic expectations"

I definitely think the end reveal is another fakeout, and that the Westies were just covering up Dudenoff being dead because that could (I think?) unravel their subletting situation, and all the rent controlled apartments would suddenly cost millions of dollars and require vastly inflated rents to keep.

Also Meryl Streep is just amazing at literally everything she does :allears:

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

Jerusalem posted:

I love that it could equally be a case of "The actors really did crack things" or "The actors, like television watchers, are speculating on extremely limited information and jumping to conclusions based on dramatic expectations"

Yeah, look, I still think at least one of the actors is the killer. It's a season about doubles and copies, it makes sense that one of the doubles or copies is the person who did it all. Plus it's fun if the killer comes up with this ridiculous circular theory in order throw everyone off the scent.

That said, it's an oddly constructed season that's essentially about two almost entirely unrelated plotlines -- the Westies and the movie -- and it's using Sazz as spackle to connect a bunch of gags. But the season's clearly far more interested in the film satire than it is in exploring the kooky neighbours, so again that's where my narrative instincts direct me to think about the killer's identity.

10 Beers
May 21, 2005

Shit! I didn't bring a knife.

Annabel Pee posted:

Fun episode. The mellisa mcarthy meryl streep fighting stuff was really silly, its like they both said they were up for it and they didn't want to turn down the chance to see Meryl Streep do slapstick.

Im glad they are on to the Westies already meaning its probably a red herring and they are just cashing the cheques and not involved in the murders. Is there anyone who's been around since season one who could be a suspect?


Detective Williams. She's just really sick of their poo poo. :D

Riven
Apr 22, 2002
It’s Hootahs fuh butts.

Spiteski
Aug 27, 2013



My bet is on Sazz faking her murder to kill Dudenoff and frame someone else. All the things on her desk could be taken as plans not investigation notes. Like "step one, poison dog. Step two note on door". No idea the motive but the way the notes are written seem like a fit to me.

AcidCat
Feb 10, 2005

Definitely the best and funniest episode of the season.

Falukorv
Jun 23, 2013

A funny little mouse!
I’m just glad they didn’t drag out the “it’s not what it looks like” oppurtune misunderstanding when Loretta saw Oliver on top of Melissa into a will they or won’t they conflict. It was a gag that was straightened out quick

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I appreciate when folks communicate like adults on these types of shows.

RestingB1tchFace
Jul 4, 2016

Opinions are like a$$holes....everyone has one....but mines the best!!!

Annabel Pee posted:

Fun episode. The mellisa mcarthy meryl streep fighting stuff was really silly, its like they both said they were up for it and they didn't want to turn down the chance to see Meryl Streep do slapstick.

Im glad they are on to the Westies already meaning its probably a red herring and they are just cashing the cheques and not involved in the murders. Is there anyone who's been around since season one who could be a suspect?


Did the "westies" mention who was behind their "sweetheart" rent deal? Is it possible that it was Dudenoff? Could explain the checks.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Falukorv posted:

I’m just glad they didn’t drag out the “it’s not what it looks like” oppurtune misunderstanding when Loretta saw Oliver on top of Melissa into a will they or won’t they conflict. It was a gag that was straightened out quick

I did have to pause and walk away for a moment there. :cripes: It threatened to turn into French farce, so I was super glad that got dealt with quickly.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

RestingB1tchFace posted:

Did the "westies" mention who was behind their "sweetheart" rent deal? Is it possible that it was Dudenoff? Could explain the checks.

Yes, they straight up said that he was the one who sublets the places out to them when they revealed the way things worked to Mabel. It just wasn't revealed till later that they were all his former students or that they were all in class together with the Brothers Sisters.

Friend
Aug 3, 2008



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I get why they do it but I wish they would at least release the episodes in bunches; I didn't really care for season 2 until I rewatched it and realized having to wait between episodes made problems I had seem worse than they really were. I finally started s4 yesterday and never had the "this ep was boring" feeling I've seen on previous pages. Great season so far.

Anyway can someone explain the whole rent control thing to someone who isn't from New York? I'm guessing Dudenoff rented them all a long time ago and the cost of rent couldn't rise as long as his name was on the paperwork, and he just gives his former students great deals and sublets? Or was he not allowed to raise rent?

Also am I misremembering or was Jan a Westie in season one? I feel like I recall her duets with Charles being directly across and a few floors down from him

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
My outsider understanding of rent control is the government guarantees you a steady, fair, affordable rent and locks that price in for as long as you live there. If you don't I think the landlords can then rent that space out for exorbitant rates, or possible the rent control gets reevaluated to be worse for tenant.

Not totally sure how that interacts with the subletting. I would think that's not allowed since the concept of rent control is so normal people can afford to live in these places so expensive even rich people sometimes don't live in em aside holding as toxic investment scheme. Allowing folks to profit from their rent control seems counter productive.

joepinetree
Apr 5, 2012
Rent control law in NYC is a complicated thing with many different provisions, but the gist of what matters for this show is that rent control laws in NYC cap rent increases on lease renewal. NYC aslo requires subletting to be either written into the contract or be expressly permitted by the owner. That is, rents in those units are low because increases have been capped from a time when rents were lower and caps prevented rents from going up at market rate, and were they found out they could be kicked out or force to sign a new lease at a substantially higher rent.

404notfound
Mar 5, 2006

stop staring at me

MEAN, COLD MEAT

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

:siren: New episode up!

Tiggum
Oct 24, 2007

Your life and your quest end here.


Friend posted:

I get why they do it but I wish they would at least release the episodes in bunches
I'm so glad they're not. TV shows coming out all at once is the worst, and putting out three episodes at once as a lot of shows are doing recently is almost as bad. I can mostly keep up with one episode a week. Three episodes all at once, I'm going to fall behind. All the episodes together I won't even bother starting because that's a stupid amount of TV to watch and the lack of schedule means I'm going to take forever to get through it anyway.

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
You beautiful bitchy bologna loaf

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007
Lol the westies with the knife, and all they wanted to do was have a dramatic backstory conversation they would be able to do without any knife threat. I guess it did let them avoid being played off for time.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012

This show is so loving cozy.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I love how this show does the same thing every lovely mystery show does about giving us a suspect, making us think it is them, and then saying "nah, not really" but it does it in a way that is fun and doesn't piss me off.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I adore Steve Martin but sometimes he hits on a gag that he obviously loves that just kind of falls flat for me (a hit rate of 98% ain't bad!) and his emotional suppression bit in the latest episode was one of those for me... but other than that what a lovely episode. I also really liked that when the Westies realized they'd been recorded despite their precautions that it reiterated that while they may not have murdered Dudenoff they sure as gently caress committed a lot of crimes! :allears:

Oliver trying to explain Tony Danza to Mabel and her utter disinterest cracked me up too :)

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

This season has largely been a miss for me, it’s kind of crawled up its own butt a little. I’ll still finish it but it’s nowhere near the first three seasons in my book

pitch a fitness
Mar 19, 2010

Bismack Billabongo posted:

This season has largely been a miss for me, it’s kind of crawled up its own butt a little. I’ll still finish it but it’s nowhere near the first three seasons in my book

Yeah, when they started out with the producer listing out audience feedback on their flaws and the actors trying to get into the roles, I was on board but they've carried the concept too far (e.g. with talk of season 1 plot holes).

However,

404notfound posted:

MEAN, COLD MEAT

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Bismack Billabongo posted:

This season has largely been a miss for me, it’s kind of crawled up its own butt a little. I’ll still finish it but it’s nowhere near the first three seasons in my book

I've been enjoying it, but largely because I feel like the show's been up it's own butt since the beginning. It's effectively a vanity project of Martin and Short about things they love and are familiar with (New York, Broadway, now a bit of Hollywood) loosely draped around a classic murder mystery. It's preposterous, but those two (and much of the main/supporting cast!) are so dang charismatic and fun to watch that the show manages to be a delight to watch.

The show is built and comfortably thriving inside an rear end in a top hat, but it's very warm and cozy.

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

I definitely miss some of the secondary characters from previous years like Nathan lane and his kid. All of the new characters this season have been super shallow IMO. It’s still got its funny moments tho

Bismack Billabongo
Oct 9, 2012

Charles’s daughter and Oliver’s son were good characters, would have been nice to see them again. Idk

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

I keep meaning to watch S1 again, because my memory is of Nathan Lane’s son doing the murders, albeit at Nathan’s behest. But then S2 and S3 he’s just out and about on day release?

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

The_Doctor posted:

I keep meaning to watch S1 again, because my memory is of Nathan Lane’s son doing the murders, albeit at Nathan’s behest. But then S2 and S3 he’s just out and about on day release?

Huh? In season 1 Jan was killer wasn't she? Theo was involved in covering up the stealing of jewelry or whatever subplot

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012

The_Doctor posted:

I keep meaning to watch S1 again, because my memory is of Nathan Lane’s son doing the murders, albeit at Nathan’s behest. But then S2 and S3 he’s just out and about on day release?

He accidentally killed Zoe years ago. Probably got a plea deal since he was so young and it was involuntary, or his dad fell on the sword or something.

It's TV though. Don't think about it too much.

Oasx
Oct 11, 2006

Freshly Squeezed
I dropped the show early on in season 3 since I wasn't feeling the plot, it took a little while but I finally gave season 4 a chance and i'm halfway through now. Happy to be enjoying the show again.

AcidCat
Feb 10, 2005

CatstropheWaitress posted:

I've been enjoying it, but largely because I feel like the show's been up it's own butt since the beginning. It's effectively a vanity project of Martin and Short about things they love and are familiar with (New York, Broadway, now a bit of Hollywood) loosely draped around a classic murder mystery. It's preposterous, but those two (and much of the main/supporting cast!) are so dang charismatic and fun to watch that the show manages to be a delight to watch.

The show is built and comfortably thriving inside an rear end in a top hat, but it's very warm and cozy.

Yeah, pretty much this.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Bismack Billabongo posted:

This season has largely been a miss for me, it’s kind of crawled up its own butt a little. I’ll still finish it but it’s nowhere near the first three seasons in my book
yeah this one hasn't been my favorite... Although I remember not being crazy about last season and then fully coming around before the end. in hindsight I could see really liking the actors who've been assimilated pretty well now. Hmm we've got two eps left.

oh jay
Oct 15, 2012

I've never not been happy to see Richard Kind, so this season got off to a really good start with me.

Also, remember last season when one of the plot hooks that this season would take place in Hollywood was that weirdo Tobert. Did they even have a one-off line to write him off, or are we all pretending that he didn't exist because he was the worst

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
I think it was just that he was going to LA and wanted Mabel to visit him. She's been a bit too busy to do that.

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?
All of Mabel's love/like interests get handwaved off between seasons; it's basically a given at this point.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

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Bismack Billabongo posted:

This season has largely been a miss for me, it’s kind of crawled up its own butt a little. I’ll still finish it but it’s nowhere near the first three seasons in my book

I feel almost exactly the opposite. Well, season 1 was fantastic obviously, but then season 2 started going up its butt and season 3 went so far that it collapsed into some kind of butthole singularity. This season has done a remarkable job of resisting the urge to go up there given the premise of being about a movie adaptation of itself. It feels a lot more character driven than the show's been since the first season.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

I loved season 3 right up to the ending which felt weirdly anti-climactic and didn't really live up to the promise of the episodes that preceded it (but had a hell of a cliffhanger!), so I'm hoping this one sticks the landing.

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Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
That reveal was straight up elegant.

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