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George RR Fartin
Apr 16, 2003




I realize this is probably not the time but I only just realized Diane Lane and Olivia Thirlby, who play mother and daughter here, both played Judge Hershey in the two wildly different Judge Dredd movies. This is a needless factoid but I was happy when I realized it.

Sucks about the cancellation, but I was happy to find I want just a sourpuss in my old age; the show was really meandering, and it frustrated the heck out of me. I hope the Saga adaptation has better luck.

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BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Thirlby played Judge Anderson, but they were both Judges.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
https://twitter.com/ign/status/1450076956825989123?s=21

Hopefully Miss Clark will succeed, she sounds committed to not letting this die, and stranger things have happened.

Owlofcreamcheese
May 22, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Buglord
The only thing I wanted out of this show was for it to do the stupid Amulet of Helene subplot. It didn't make any sense it was in the comic and it'd make even less sense in the show so they probably would have just skipped it entirely but COME ON.

zerofiend
Dec 23, 2006

This show is an incredibly dull adaptation and it getting the axe is unsurprising.

Tagichatn
Jun 7, 2009

Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/ign/status/1450076956825989123?s=21

Hopefully Miss Clark will succeed, she sounds committed to not letting this die, and stranger things have happened.

Yeah but stranger things is probably way more popular.

OnlyBans
Sep 21, 2021

by sebmojo
I think this show's biggest problem is that it is not very good. If I were working on a show, I would try to make sure it was good. People seemed to have cracked the code since there are a lot of good shows on TV right now. But not The Last Man.

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Tagichatn posted:

Yeah but stranger things is probably way more popular.

But probably won't be going past S4. If they do then by the start of S5 Caleb McLaughlin will be riding up on a BMX looking like Fred Williamson in From Dusk Till Dawn.

Just got out of the cinema and they were advertising YTLM for Disney+ in the reel. I wouldn't call a pickup impossible, even if I wouldn't hold out great hopes.

Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
I think this adaptation is pretty well acted and "interesting" and since they got Dr Mann the main trio has a lot more comedy than the first half of the season which is good. However I do understand people complaining its "dull" or too slow. It just spends a lot of time dutifully letting each scene play out and there is very little sense of urgency in the pacing.

I hope it gets picked up by another outlet because it is well made technically and I'd like to see if it can get more lively as it gets deeper into the adaptation.

I guess they thought the pure naked drama of the situation would endear all these characters to the audience but a lot of them were hard sells.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

I can't imagine Y getting picked up anywhere else because I can't really imagine Disney selling the rights to any IP they have. Especially if selling it means a DC-based show will get another lease on life.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer

Bust Rodd posted:

https://twitter.com/ign/status/1450076956825989123?s=21

Hopefully Miss Clark will succeed, she sounds committed to not letting this die, and stranger things have happened.

Hopefully she fails and learns how to write good for her next thing

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Well, that was certainly an episode that assumed the show was getting a second season. Really glad they wasted all that time making their way ~around~ to the source material. :rolleyes:

Still really hating what they're doing with Thirlby, even though now it really doesn't matter. In the GN it made sense that the brainwashing took hold because she was starving and near death. In this run it's simply because ~reasons~, "I hate my mom and can't forgive her even in the Apocalypse," getting turned down by Sam for *very good loving reasons*, and ~~~SISTERHOOOOOD~~~.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 20:41 on Oct 18, 2021

smoobles
Sep 4, 2014

I bailed after 3 episodes, the cancelation is unsurprising to me. My biggest gripe is the dull family political drama. A fascinating, global catastrophe just happened but we quickly move on to a House of Cards Lite "who's the next president?" plotline.

Such a cool premise turned into such a boring story, so abruptly. It would be like if season 1 of The Expanse turned out to be about a poker tournament.

Such a weird and jarring waste of a cool concept. I've never read the comics so I assume it works better in that medium.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
I would have easily watched 5 seasons of this lmao

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Some interesting news. Apparently the show was cancelled not because of viewer numbers, but because the pandemic delayed production and FX elected not to extend the cast's options. This has raised speculation that HBO Max might be interested.

Jedit fucked around with this message at 20:56 on Oct 20, 2021

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


Jedit posted:

Some interesting news. Apparently the show was cancelled not because of viewer numbers, but because the pandemic delayed production and FX elected not to extend the cast's options. This has raised speculation that HBO Max might be interested.

it's a perfect fit for Max, who along with Apple + has become the low key most impressive streamers over the last year and a half.

Amazon could have them beat if Wheel of Time and Lord of The rings hit big though. (and god I'm rooting for WOT, since it's so much better than Lord of the rings and way more interesting).

the escape goat
Apr 16, 2008

I wonder if pregnancy tests woulda been looted out of stock after the event; I imagine a lot of folks would be curious if they were pregnant or not but there’s also the possibility that people just went “what’s the point?” and left them there.

Bummer about the cancellation, but glad they didn’t keep the entire cast and crew in limbo. Locking people into contracts and loving them over for a really long time as a result is something that happened with a show called Lucha Underground, and hopefully that kind of foolishness doesn’t happen again ever.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
The only thing I'm kinda bummed about is not learning what tack they were going to take with regards to "what actually happened."

I also think that one of the strengths of the original source material were the stories of the randos Yorick came across, like the supermodel clearing bodies in DC who intended to trade Yorick for food and shelter, complaining that she'd *just* paid off her boob job a week before the die-off.

Or the flight attendant who bitched at the ATC woman who was lapsing into religious fervor about ~The Rapture~ and "Eve's Sin" to snap out of it and help her do her job, only to realize after-the-fact that the last act of the pilots as they died was to set the auto-landing system and by landing (and crashing) the plane herself she likely killed more than if she'd not touched anything.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013

LionArcher posted:

Amazon could have them beat if Wheel of Time and Lord of The rings hit big though. (and god I'm rooting for WOT, since it's so much better than Lord of the rings and way more interesting).

I keep reading this, but I don't see it. Those two shows feel like the same show to me, just in basic genre outline (and maybe tone, hard to tell tho). Feels like overspecialisation.

Like, I'm not criticising either show, but it feels like Amazon's big shows are all variations on "Evil Superman" or "Epic Tolkeinism". Max and Apple are both doing variations on epic television, but they're also got a lot of other solid shows too.

I do think this is a good choice for Max, and saving this show fits well with the kind of image HBO has always marketed itself as having.

OnlyBans
Sep 21, 2021

by sebmojo

LionArcher posted:

Amazon could have them beat if Wheel of Time and Lord of The rings hit big though. (and god I'm rooting for WOT, since it's so much better than Lord of the rings and way more interesting).

What's it like being unable to live close to an elementary school? I've always wondered about the logistics of that.

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004


Grimey Drawer
You what

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


OnlyBans posted:

What's it like being unable to live close to an elementary school? I've always wondered about the logistics of that.

How is my preference of liking WOT over LOTR (and from a visual perspective one clearly is more cinematic, or has the potential to be) make you think that it earns a poor attempt at a joke about me somehow being a sexual predator, and how is that supposed to be funny?

Like I’m not upset, I’m just confused. Like show your work here.

DogsInSpace!
Sep 11, 2001


Fun Shoe

George RR Fartin posted:

I realize this is probably not the time but I only just realized Diane Lane and Olivia Thirlby, who play mother and daughter here, both played Judge Hershey in the two wildly different Judge Dredd movies. This is a needless factoid but I was happy when I realized it.

Oh gently caress. Mind=blown. Maybe Olivia can push for a Dredd show now. I really want that to happen.

BIG HEADLINE posted:

The only thing I'm kinda bummed about is not learning what tack they were going to take with regards to "what actually happened."

I also think that one of the strengths of the original source material were the stories of the randos Yorick came across, like the supermodel clearing bodies in DC who intended to trade Yorick for food and shelter, complaining that she'd *just* paid off her boob job a week before the die-off.

Or the flight attendant who bitched at the ATC woman who was lapsing into religious fervor about ~The Rapture~ and "Eve's Sin" to snap out of it and help her do her job, only to realize after-the-fact that the last act of the pilots as they died was to set the auto-landing system and by landing (and crashing) the plane herself she likely killed more than if she'd not touched anything.

Same and same about those little mini survivor stories. That one goon called it best about the show: 1/3rd great, 1/3rd mediocre and 1/3 awful. I didn't really find much THAT awful but sometimes they swing and miss incredibly so hard they hit themselves in the face. I liked it alright but it took so long to get to the fun quartet of 355, Mann, Ampersand and Yorick I can easily see why many would drop it. Wouldn't mind if it showed up on HBOMax as maybe they can tweak it some and make it more fun but really not even in my top 10 tv wishes. I am a bit sad that we will never have that journey leading to that bittersweet finale. Showmakers pretty kneel at the altar of HBOMax as that is their best bet for a looooong time before the stink of failure taints the IP for a generation.

Thundercracker
Jun 25, 2004

Proudly serving the Ruinous Powers since as a veteran of the long war.
College Slice

Bust Rodd posted:

This sort of worked in Death Stranding’s favor!

You always look smarter predicting something instead of giving hot takes afterwards.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I thought that episode loving rocked, personally. Really good stuff.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
Maybe this is my ignorance showing, but did those accusations of mansplaining at the start of the most recent episode (episode nine) strictly make sense?

Also I was amused that the political storyline ended like it began. With nonsensical infighting.

Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Oct 28, 2021

OnlyBans
Sep 21, 2021

by sebmojo

LionArcher posted:

How is my preference of liking WOT over LOTR (and from a visual perspective one clearly is more cinematic, or has the potential to be) make you think that it earns a poor attempt at a joke about me somehow being a sexual predator, and how is that supposed to be funny?

Like I’m not upset, I’m just confused. Like show your work here.

WOT is a libertarian jerk off fantasy. The only person I ever met who spoke about it in real life became a cop.

I figured if you are loud and proud, you'd have to deal with the consequences. The first Netflix season of Arrested Development made a joke about it and I've wondered ever since how that actually works.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I feel like there are seventy other threads that are a better place to talk about Wheel Of Time tbh.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Open Source Idiom posted:

Also I was amused that the political storyline ended like it began. With nonsensical infighting.

Interesting that out of everything involving someone getting shot in the head, this doomed show actually showed post-headshot twitching.

I also hate that the anarchist/antifa had no loving plan other than "burn poo poo and make everything worse for no real reason at all."

Also, seeing as the last episode is named "Victoria," my guess is Nora's going to put one in Roxanne's brain and assume the identity of Victoria. And good god do I still hate how quickly and easily Hero went 'feral.'

LionArcher
Mar 29, 2010


OnlyBans posted:

WOT is a libertarian jerk off fantasy. The only person I ever met who spoke about it in real life became a cop.

I figured if you are loud and proud, you'd have to deal with the consequences. The first Netflix season of Arrested Development made a joke about it and I've wondered ever since how that actually works.

Got it, so you don't know what you're talking about, (because wheel of time is many things, but libertarian jerk off fantasy is like the opposite of what that series is) and still tried to make an ancient outdated joke you stole from the worst season of a once good show somehow? Good job. You're really contributing here.


The latest episode of the show is good! Hopefully this gets picked up somewhere.

DrBouvenstein
Feb 28, 2007

I think I'm a doctor, but that doesn't make me a doctor. This fancy avatar does.
Enjoyed the latest episode a lot more than the one before, but one question:

Was I supposed to be able to tell who was getting shot in those last few scenes? Other than the former Secretary trying to do the coup getting capped in the head, I couldn't tell if I should recognize the other victims...including the woman that Kim ended up stabbing at the end to protect Christine.

Open Source Idiom
Jan 4, 2013
I laughed really loving hard at Sam somehow finding his way to hang out with the other spare parts from the Pentagon plot. God, what atrocious storytelling.

The actual stuff with the farm and the Amazons was mostly pretty good I thought. I feel like I called Nora's arc ages ago, but it was still satisfying to see go down. Roxanne's public meltdown was loving hilarious, in a good way.

The action was nicely shot, for the most part, though I'm not the only one who noticed some shonky, seemingly last minute edits on a few of the talky scenes, right?

And it was just nice to see expansive outdoor shooting in a year where that really hasn't been a thing at all.

DrBouvenstein posted:

Enjoyed the latest episode a lot more than the one before, but one question:

Was I supposed to be able to tell who was getting shot in those last few scenes? Other than the former Secretary trying to do the coup getting capped in the head, I couldn't tell if I should recognize the other victims...including the woman that Kim ended up stabbing at the end to protect Christine.

IIRC Kimber stabbed one of the other Republican wives, the one she bartered materials off of before and tried to get on side when she was first agitating for a coup. I suspect it's meant to indicate that she's all in on the baby train.

I reckon that the climactic shooting sequences, from episode nine, were purposefully confusing -- in that it's not clear if the friendly fire was deliberate or something more calculated.

That entire plotline was pretty bad though, and I'm glad that it's basically done. The way the politicians were reacting to The Big Reveal was hilariously petty and fickle, particularly the general. And I feel like Beth suddenly developed an entire personality offscreen. The finale's attempts to backfill some sort of political consciousness into the character was basically laughable. It was a complication that the show just didn't need.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
https://twitter.com/stephenking/status/1455333708240756738?s=21

https://twitter.com/davidcrosss/status/1455372508522336257?s=21

Bust Rodd fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Nov 2, 2021

WaffleACAB
Oct 31, 2010
I've just watched the penultimate episode as that's the newest one on UK D+. I've enjoyed the show a lot, never read the GN but had heard of it - and think I read the Wikipedia synopsis years ago (mostly forgotten now).

Sad it's been cancelled because it was just getting going, episode 9 was really good. I'll just have to read the GN now I guess, after next week.

Finally, does anyone else think that Marin Ireland has Jared Harris' face in this show. She doesn't look like him in pictures on Google but whatever they do is this show with her makeup, it's mad.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Just finished catching up, and I agree that I thought the last two episodes were probably the strongest. I especially liked the Museum of Men showing another aspect of how survivors would respond - it reminded me a bit of the theater troupe in the comic. I also really laughed at the "Men Sightings" woman coming across like a Bigfoot hunter.

At the same time, between a combination of those last two episode's strengths and plot developments, and the cancellation, it did make it feel like a lot of the earlier season was retroactively a lot of unimportant wheel spinning. If by some miracle this show does get revived somewhere I'll definitely watch it, but I also would hope that if it does get a second season the people involve learn a little from the first season's pacing and plot issues.

Also, between the ending being in the cornfield midwest and the fact that the first season was basically a condensing of the first two comic arcs, I feel like the ending was setting up a a combination of the astronaut storyline and the Agent 711 story, bringing together the twins' genetics lab safe house and the Culper Ring safe house. Maybe with the Amazons taking the place of the Israelies.

AlternateNu
May 5, 2005

ドーナツダメ!
Having a random no-name kill Sonia instead of Hero is a pretty big divergence from the comics. (Well, that and the revelation that Nora is apparently "Victoria" in this version, but wasn't the leader during the invasion of the convict town. :psyduck: ) Though it's been so long since I read them, I can't remember if she was killed in front of Yorick or not. Actually, when I was watching that scene, I got super mad because I was conflating *future comic storyline* Sonia with Beth II, and I thought they were straight up dropping Yorick's kid as a plot point.

Though, I don't see how this show finishes. They're only 1/6 of the way through the story (assuming they add/delete things at the same pace they did for the first season). I'll echo everyone else's sentiment that overall this season did a lot of unnecessary wheel spinning.

Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

Probably not a surprise to anyone, but showrunner Eliza Clark has said that efforts to find a new network for the show have failed and it looks like Y will remain a one-season show.

Bust Rodd
Oct 21, 2008

by VideoGames
Sorry for thread Necro but post-mortems are coming out

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/y-last-man-canceled-reason-1235095559/amp/

https://deadline.com/2022/02/y-the-last-man-cancellation-reaction-fx-chief-one-season-1234955875/amp/

It’s weird because FX typically doesn’t axe dramas after 1 season but apparently there was just an absolutely massive drop off from the jump and the show was basically hemorrhaging viewers from the word “go”

I’m bummed because I really liked this show and what it was doing but I do agree that the season felt like a 2 hour movie setting up a really interesting show and then 5 episodes that pretty much failed to create any momentum. As a fan of the story I knew what was coming and what to expect and was prepared to give them time to get there and say what they wanted to say, but new viewers didn’t have a reason to hang out and both of the presidents children were hosed up and hatable losers, not gripping protags.

MadJackal
Apr 30, 2004

Bust Rodd posted:

Sorry for thread Necro but post-mortems are coming out

Never apologize for contributing follow-ups for interests.

Love the comics, was disappointed with the live action, as is the norm. Y is no different sadly.

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Jerkface
May 21, 2001

HOW DOES IT FEEL TO BE DEAD, MOTHERFUCKER?

Fallen Rib
They really blew it by making it sooooooooooooooooo slow.

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