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Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Hots sucked because all the hot blondes were garbage.

Nova, garbage.
Valeera, garbage.
Anduin, garbage.

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Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Vengarr posted:

Except, the first decline in player base was when they introduced Brigitte. A low-skill-ceiling hero that blew up the existing e-sport meta completely. It went from a twitch shooter with a heavy emphasis on dive to…the glorious triple-tank meta that everyone hated, pro and average player alike.

They definitely did not create Brigitte to make Overwatch League more exciting. You couldn’t tell what they were going for really. And that ties back into the actual thread topic: the dysfunction that seems to have been at the heart of Blizzard all along. They didn’t seem to know or care what they were doing because they were too busy getting smashed and going on cubicle crawls.

It was so bizarre. They built a hero that basically just deleted Tracer from the game when at the time I believe she was wildly popular at all levels of play.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Chillgamesh posted:

The point was that online communities would suck less if the people in charge of them cared enough to moderate them, and you said "no they wouldn't because people are garbage". But sure, you were actually coming from a place of deep empathy when you said that. :jerkbag:

That's not really true.

orange juche posted:

It's because gamers by and large are scum. There's a few bright spots, a few good communities in existence, but by and large they're still the same poo poo-ape morons dropping the hard R while spraying cheeto dust on xbox microphones. Game devs originate from this primordial cheeto soup, and they carry their prejudices with them. They dress it up and put out the pride flag for pride month as the corporate world demands in order to avoid getting backlash, but they don't actually believe it, much like most of the corporate world, they just make the moves to get the money. It is a cynical opinion, but it's better to be a cynic than naïve.

Unless a game dev studio is making conscious, visible steps to increase diversity, and actually makes those diverse members of the team feel valued, assume they're the same shitapes from xbox live.

The opening quote of the argument says that game devs are unlikely to moderate their own communities because they draw from a pool of people who are generally speaking, ignorant of diversity and inclusivity and at worst actively hostile to it. Further that unless very large steps are being taken, the lip service paid to inclusivity is just that, something mandated so that business can continue.

Endorph posted:

i dont think this is really true on any level lol but it sure is a great exercise in making yourself feel better than some imagined person who doesnt actually exist

the vast majority of people are just people.

The counterpoint is this, saying that this pool of people is imagined and that most people are just relatively decent.

Moola posted:

Sorry to be the one to break this to you, but the vast majority of people loving suck

The end point was this, saying that most people in fact suck.

The moderation of online communities changing those communities isn't what's being discussed, it's whether the actors in charge of moderation would voluntarily choose to do so in an effective way.

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.

Strategic Tea posted:

Shareholders should control the company, and they have royally hosed up by not appointing independent non execs to reign in Bobby, an independent remuneration committee, and all the other bells and whistles that any entry level business class would recommend.

For all that they are self interested bastards, shareholders absolutely have no interest in losing money and paying legal fees to head off an employee uprising because HR couldn't do its basic job of ensuring the company wasn't vulnerable to massive lawsuits

The problem is that Kotick was making them money hand over loving fist for years with no oversight. Why employee all of these things and cut into your bottom line when the man running the company seems competent and keeps making you gigantic stacks of cash?

Natural 20
Sep 17, 2007

Wearer of Compasses. Slayer of Gods. Champion of the Colosseum. Heart of the Void.
Saviour of Hallownest.
Also notably, you don't have to buy every year. I'll drop in on Madden every few years and with five years of incremental updates or whatever, I get a pretty different game.

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