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bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Ursine Catastrophe posted:

don't worry capitalism has already solved this

robot bees (now referred to as bees) will hunt down and exterminate biological bees (biobees, for short) and increase efficiency in their range while gathering big data used by ai neural networks to further improve bee design at the bee factory. in due time biobees will be completely replaced and passed down to history as dumb, inefficient, sticky honey commies

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bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Buffer posted:

Are crickets even that much more efficient at turning feed into meat than chickens?


yes, as a general rule of thumb the smaller the animal the higher is the efficiency in the mass intake to protein formation process, the food quantities involved are so small they absolutely must make use of every calorie, larger animals allow for larger inefficiencies by compensating through food input scale and fat reserve building

i've made posts about ANTS and EATING ANTS last thread because it's common in certain regions of Brazil, but long story short just eat the goddamn ants you picky babbies

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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so now brazil is so dry we're having sandstorms, and firenados

https://twitter.com/jnascim/status/1442264362882936833

hydroelectricity became expensive as gently caress already and rolling blackouts predicted for the near future if it doesn't rain

lol

lmao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Evil_Greven posted:

unfortunate that brazil did not figure out what rainforests did before they cut them all down

we did figure it out with some help from the world bank, they're made for burning down and planting soy or ranching cattle

meanwhile the actual indigenous brazilians protect every ounce of forest in their lands, pro thread btw

https://twitter.com/revolubrait/status/1430665305110589441

of course, we also figured that out, just shoot 'em

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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all the plastic poisoning talk reminded me of a thing




there's a million "lifehack" videos promoting this on brazilian youtube btw


also, searching back led me to this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVE6zpaEDQM

grandma nooooo :cripes:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Leroy Diplowski posted:

I'm reading a book on jellyfish and the author is going on a little tangent on corals. Apparently corals have survived ocean acidification and global warming before and we see them emerge onto the fossil record after ocean acidification events.

A scientist the author interviews posits that some coral (particularly in the red sea) will likely survive past the end of the century. Ocean acidification means that they cannot build structures that act as habitat for thousands of fish but the polyps themselves survive and will begin building structures after the oceans return to a suitable pH.

So if we are able to keep global warming under 10 degrees then in tens of thousands of years the ocean might have coral reefs again.

Crack

Ping

The biosphere sustained 90%+ diversity destruction several times from cosmic catastrophes on a power scale humans thankfully may never reach like the permian event asteroids and extreme temperature cycles, and bacteria, plants, fungus, algae, insects, anelids and simple ocean organisms like plankton corals and jellies lived through all that

as always it's not so much a "life on earth" problem as a "all currently existing complex life on earth, including us" problem, and the way we handling this i bet you can add a few zeroes to that tens of thousands

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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https://twitter.com/eumichelsilva/status/1452433862559207428

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Plastic rainn
Worse than swearing worse than calling names
Plastic rainn
Say it publicly and you're insane

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUAaurZKi6U

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Lmao that people still fall for the whacky north korea news mill, they're probably forced to eat all leftover cut hair from everyone being forced to wear kim jong uns hairstyle too :allears:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Anyway came here to post this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ie1X5t_7Zto

Tornados in the amazon :rubby:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Hexigrammus posted:

Future travel guides to include helpful phrases like holy poo poo / mierda santa and run you fuckers / corre folladores.

Also laugh out loud / reír en voz alta.

1. português não é espanhol

2. what future travel lmao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Hexigrammus posted:

There are Portuguese speakers in South America? When did that happen?
yesterday, had some portugas over for a bbq here at my house and now we all speak it

Hexigrammus posted:

Disaster zone tours for the rich.
too optimistic lol

oh nice tour on the ex giga soy farms turned dustbowl, whos gonna be the tour guide, the pile of toucan bones?

new goon project, send me us dollars at the present ridiculous exchange rate meant to boost exporters profits so i can buy some lands and do literally nothing but let nature heal

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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thats the thing, there's not gonna be a single tree left standing

nobody's paying to tour this



it's megadeath over megadeath over megadeath, scorched salted earth tracts bigger than most european countries, undiscovered species extinct before ever being recorded, all for either soy or cattle, the profits of which go to the dumbest loving people alive

sometimes i fantasize about dropping my stupid 9 to 5 life to fight rich rural landowners, but they are meaner than me and have political clout and big guns and get away with murder on the reg

anyway it's friday im logging off and getting drunk :cheers:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Perry Mason Jar posted:

By poors you mean working class? They would do better but they couldn't prevent climate change from making the planet inhospitable, no. They also would be severely hindered in doing better if capitalist states (with power) exist contemporaneously as there is a constant need to respond to counter-revolutionary sabotage as well as to participate in the global market systems (currency, most particularly, you can pretty much kick the IMF out if you want but your currency will be worth nothing because it won't be allowed on that market; see: Cuba, North Korea; see: Venezuelan Petro).

In other words the USSR could not concern itself - and didn't (mostly) - with environmental protection/remediation because they were involved in the project of establishing communism and foreclosing counter-revolution. This took decades and ended up with bloody Cold War proxy battles and was not achieved! Sixty two years of glorious revolution in Cuba, they are today liberalizing portions of their economy because they are responding to the same liquidity crisis all nations are - a crisis which was manufactured by the ruling class.

you really can only argue nothing matters in this fashion from a position of first world comfort

did evo morales stop environmental crimes in bolivia? hell no, but the fash coup gov was blow up mountains with the people still on them and cart off the lithium profits to miami

did cuba fail at achieving socialism? maybe, but just look at haiti right besides it to see what long term despoiling destruction looks like, there's basically no topsoil left

did brazil stop deforestation with it's center left pink tide government? no, but it steadily reduced deforestation rates only for them to skyrocket the moment they were out along with a new push to displace and genocide native populations

you're not wrong that socialism didn't win yet and climate change megadeaths are going to happen, but the case for revolution is choosing between dead eyed fash psychos skinning your family alive in front of you before shoving a live rat up your rear end or taking care of managing the decline through having a semblance of collective rule ala countries where socialism did win like vietnam

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Perry Mason Jar posted:

My argument is not nothing matters.

Did Evo Morales stop environmental crimes in Bolivia? He provided land rights and land protections for Indigenous Bolivians, who were themselves instrumental in resisting the coup. He expanded lithium mining. I don't know anything else. Surely he was better for the environment than his neighbors.

Did Cuba fail at achieving socialism? No. And I never said they did. Cuba is, by UN study, the only sustainable country in the world and emerging socialist states would do well to ape what they did/do there. Haiti has been the backyard of US RC and Intel for decades, including multiple coups. Haiti has been brutalized by imperialists, the Haitians are not to blame (save for those Haitian US puppets, of course).

Did Brazil stop deforestation with its center left pink tide government? Mildly! But they did, sure. And then the CIA overthrew that government on bogus corruption charges.

It absolutely is better and should be attempted.

it's just that when you demand solutions like this

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What you are saying is a solution surely exists because I believe a solution exists or else it's too upsetting for me to acknowledge that there isn't any solution (now, today, not forty years ago).

i can't help but wonder if there would be some solution if a big share of humanity's collective iq was directed into finding said solutions rather than, say, getting people to click ads or hiding oil industry crimes or making up bullshit false hopes

in the end we're just dumb anonymous posters with limited reading comprehension, the fact that nobody here can come up with any reasonable or realistic mitigation strategy doesn't mean it can't exist, the power to change the world is never given, it's taken, and if you can't even imagine the possibility you already surrendered, in my mind at least

i guess we're angrily agreeing with eachother because the topic is so rage inducing, i've read so much "nothing matters we're doomed" poo poo and it's really grating, your big news posts were very cool btw

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Perry Mason Jar posted:

Oh there's undoubtedly a solution if that were the case. I'm just of the mind that we've missed the window on solutions. At best? If I was really pressed to come up with a solution that doesn't require a time machine I guess I'd go with BCCS. I mean if we create an algae patch the size of India and it doesn't work it still seems like a good project. I'm pretty confident that it wouldn't be sufficient though. A lot of this (my) fatalism derives from the feedback loops which as far as I know there isn't anyone anywhere with any plan to put those genies back in the bottle. I also do try to keep in mind that climate effects and weather systems are exponential systems, I think the window for revolution + solution is (for that reason) remarkably small. We need decades of socialist governments working in concert with absent or minimal capitalist interference. It's such a tall order that I struggle to see it as particularly distinct from Benevolent Aliens, Jesus' Return, or Miracle Technology. Only real distinction is that putting our eggs into those other baskets will surely be less fruitful than the revolution one, but we're again talking more about the capacity of people to live freely and safely rather than to fix the planet.

oh we absolutely missed the window on "saving" anything, it's a mitigation effort now, the contrast if you allow me a covid parallel is giving away vaccines for free like china or enforcing patents no matter the cost in lives like the first world

and to be fair i think if communism won worldwide before the biosphere collapse made itself so readily apparent we'd be doing the poo poo like the aral sea fuckup and war on sparrows too, modernity is such a self centered idiot project it'd be hard to take things responsibly even while treating the poor as people instead of human resources

if i had a take on a solution it'd be shifting manufacture to non plastic ultra-durables, then shutting most of it down and just keeping up with the replacements, no long travel except by muscle/wind power, agroforests taking place of monoculture, managed population decline, deurbanization, electricity/internet only for collective spaces, communal zero waste kitchens everywhere, poo poo like that

Cup Runneth Over posted:

gently caress you! I agree! stupid rear end in a top hat!

this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11dZSPIe9UU

but both have the same identical glasses lmao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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we need another disruptive startup that will collect the non degradable balloons after they collected the carbon then shove them up they own rear end, goddamn technofreaks

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Raine posted:

it doesn't physically hurt me to go outside (i'll see you next year summer) right now in phoenix but check this out



cherry picked this one from a couple days ago when the dichotomy was most noticeable

for non-muricans that's ~33C high ~13C low

now thats some good weather

for viruses bacteria and fungi to destroy your weakened temp shocked immune system

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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BIG HEADLINE posted:

Oh hey, now I'm a sinophobe for, what, making the case that 560 million people should be able to have better lives if they chose to?

Sure.

*clears his throat* I am not a sinophobe. I wish nothing but the best for the Chinese people because they're as human as I am. I am critical of the Chinese Communist Party and how it levies its authority abroad and, yes, internally as well, because I think people should be able to at least TRY to improve their lot in life.

pretty loving funny how out of touch westerners are re:china, poverty and the third world

the obvious comparison is the other 1 billion population country, capitalist India, and lmfao it loses in every aspect, where the rural chinese are poor rural poor indians die of hunger, where the chinese education system is bad the poorest indians get excluded from it altogether, where the communist party exerts oppressive control over internet talk a modi supporter mob burns people alive and gloats about it, where chinese urban infra is shoddy the indian government is absolutely fine with people using water contaminated by poo poo piss and corpses

nobody's taking this china will collapse at any moment bullshit seriously anymore because we've been hearing it all of our lives, the old world is dead, this is the chinese century, and when poo poo hits the fan globally we in the global south will look towards them for help because the "western world" has proven itself time and time again to be a den of terminally inbred idiotic murderers and thieves who're high on their own farts.

the chinese communists might prove themselves to be as poo poo as europeans and americans in their relations to the rest of the world as hegemons given time too, but they'd have to try real hard

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Homeless Friend posted:

the amerikkkan fascination with individual heroism continues while slyly obfuscating their privileged position where they are incentivized not to rock the boat as not willing to break 'normality' as if it is akin to refusing to eat toast for breakfast rather than forgoing the benefit of being fat and content through their virtue of guarding the borders of the mountain of gold. amen.

right? an internet savvy guy with a platform for his brainfarts and the best he can come up with is either doing nothing differently or imma git mah gun and shoot that darn climate change guy yeeeeeeeehawwww :freep:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Bolsonaro is looking dead in the water for next year so they're rushing to deforest as much as possible while financial rewards and legal immunity are guaranteed.

without knowing anything about brazilian politics, can you spot when the Workers Party started enforcing environmental regulations and when they got couped?



that said they also made some hydroelectrics in the name of national progress and are too soft to expropriate and imprison the mega landlords that will squat on the newly minted grassy fields with their cattle

in short, only trust these guys

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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T-Paine posted:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/nov/25/uk-water-firms-spilled-sewage-into-sea-bathing-waters-5517-times-in-past-year

Oi Keith, these foraged cockles taste a bit shite to ye? Fookin can't eat this it tastes your lass's fanny

This is true all over btw we're making GBS threads and pissing into the ocean all the time but it's extra funny when a big beach condo very obviously discharges right in front at the beach it's inhabitants bathe in, giant tourist families paying out the eyes to swim in their toilet

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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The western death empire that destroyed and enslaved countless cultures is literally killing the world for riches and thrills? In an undeniably disproportionate and intentional fashion? Actually nature humans evil humanity inevitable bad :crossarms:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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silicone thrills posted:

Lake Mead gettin low might solve some cold cases. Look on the bright side! lmao


https://twitter.com/chvyrod/status/1520969170862583808?s=20&t=tmfYyfOtzkqT9zZR2xxkiA

Lmao at tons of americans drinking corpse juice for decades

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=255RmThqeAs&t=60s

this guy's video on the pakistan flood is pretty good, timestamped for the ad skip

~30 million displaced in a country the size of pakistan is insane, they should be yelling that nukes will start flying unless the 1st world ponies up climate reparations

lol, lmao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Al-Saqr posted:

If you make big public housing and use land more efficiently you can fit tons of people effectively, there's a poo poo ton of land and resources, the problem is the use of the land and who owns it.

Al Saqr i know you know this deep in your heart but every westerner is either hostile, clueless or completely checked out on the environment, they either embrace some sort of green grift or just give up and turn into a sad ball of over-intellectualized excuses.

For example, in this thread there was some guy going around saying he's a sentient extinction event. Cringe.

These guys will keep going "but the number!!!" and "we're already dead!!!" for the rest of our lives.

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Turtle Sandbox posted:

I feel like "the solution to climate change is full communism now" is cspam as hell and unrealistic.

there is no solution to climate change, it's just we'll go through it with either socialism or barbarism

i think the "there's no mitigation to be done" camp is just waiting for an ersatz biblical apocalypse, a day of reckoning which will come when "the climate change" will finally destroy everything, something like that

there's no true relief in giving up, it's not like it's just climate change that's the problem, there's the slew of problems that are political in nature and totally avoidable like britain spewing poo poo and toxic waste all over it's coast, dam neglect flooding entire hydro basins with arsenic mud mining byproduct, ambitiously stupid water use expansion projects causing rivers to literally run dry when a drought hits, it's endless bullshit really, even if it's gonna all turn to desert it doesn't need to be a toxic desert too

so that's why in my opinion if you think doing something about these isn't worth it because climate scenario RCP8.5 will destroy everything in a couple of years then i don't think you're fit to talk about what's worth doing really, too far up your own rear end to see the biosphere collapse that's already happening in front of you, the issue is society is not only not decelerating it's stepping hard on the gas, if you can't oppose that even in idle thought you're too far gone

not that i expect anything of you really, we're just here to lol and lmao and :justpost:

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Oglethorpe posted:

seems bad in india

why? they're clearly going indoor where the air is clean, it's fine

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Jizzny Princess posted:

https://twitter.com/BiodiversidadeB/status/1712108678189338971

The drying up the amazon river is leading to mass deaths of fish and fresh water river dolphins. Over 120 dolphins are known to have died so far.

https://twitter.com/camarotedacpi/status/1713663445457900021

https://twitter.com/BrazilianReport/status/1714008560743710903

it's uh

pretty bad

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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https://twitter.com/BBCWorld/status/1729142573413912917

surprised no one posted this one here yet

art of the deal lol lmao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Zeta Taskforce posted:

Rest easy doomers - We have solved sea level rise. All we have to do is build a 100 kilometer curtain as tall as a 30 story building in a place thousands of miles from any infrastructure that regularly gets hurricane force winds. Some scientists have called the project "promising" "has potential" "reasonable" and "highly aspirational and enthralling". One model even suggests it could slow the melt rate. Plus all the spending will stimulate the Antarctic economy.

https://news.sky.com/story/scientists-on-radical-idea-to-protect-doomsday-thwaites-glacier-with-62-mile-long-curtain-13088357



it's made of plastic isn't it lmfao

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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i've rewatched this every once in a while and it keeps getting funnier over the years

pretty sure i first got it from an earlier incarnation of this thread too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knSGD0JqGuk

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Some blame capitalism, some blame agriculture, well, here's the intersection

80000 hectares defoliated by agent orange dumping in the Pantanal region of Brazil, one of the most biodiverse areas in the world after the amazon



80k hectares is hard to visualize, it's the entire Paris metropolitan area chemically defoliated



The world's being annihilated so guys like this can keep selling that tasty agent orange contaminated beef for profit



He's not even in jail by the way

https://twitter.com/Forests_Finance/status/1782437245116379217

yeah, that'll do it! call the deforestation manager!

bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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toggle posted:

this was a nice crack ping, thank you. they are getting harder and harder to source, but when they do arrive i always treasure them :)

:smith:



Satellite timelapse, 2016-2022 is straight up nightmare fuel, it's pretty amazing. Though the real crack ping is zooming out a bit. This specific guy just had to go with extreme cartoonish polluting, but it's obviously a generalized land clearing process.

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bagual
Oct 29, 2010

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Hubbert posted:

This is remarkable, do you have any news stories on this in English?

https://www1.folha.uol.com.br/inter...-hectares.shtml

Pretty short and dry article, I haven't found any international outlets covering this though.

Here's a police drone video, around 2:20 the camera pans and it's hundreds of thousands of dry trees extending to the horizon. This is what a mass death event looks like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThJqsTAzTvM

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