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Mike N Eich
Jan 27, 2007

This might just be the year
Why does Melira, Living Cure, have so much text rather than just reading "You can't gain more than one poison counter a turn." ?

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HeyItsAyls
Nov 25, 2011

As written she will prevent you from gaining anymore poison counters even if she leaves the battlefield on the same turn you got a poison counter (which she's likely to do given she has a sac ability).

If it was written as 'You can't gain more than one poison counter a turn' your opponent could cast Prologue to Phyresis, kill her, then continue to poison you.

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

Mike N Eich posted:

Why does Melira, Living Cure, have so much text rather than just reading "You can't gain more than one poison counter a turn." ?

Ambiguity when an ability attempts to put 2 poison counters on you. Should they be countered completely, or you take one poison instead?

I think all of these type of abilities are templated as replacement effects for just that purpose.

AngryBooch
Sep 26, 2009
it also clears up some confusion when you get hit with a Toxic 2 creature. If Melira simply said you can't get more than one poison counter per turn, you can't get two at once so you get... none?

edit: beaten yeah

Barry Shitpeas
Dec 17, 2003

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Winner POTM July 2013
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Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

22 Eargesplitten posted:

There's a new FNM club in town, and I don't know many people after moving here so I'm thinking about joining. Have some fun, meet some people. In case I change my mind, I want to start cheap since if the club is all sweaty neckbeards/college students/12-year-olds I might not go back. I don't want to be the one 30-something playing with a bunch of people half my age. What's a good way to start playing casually these days? Any starter decks that are better than others? When I used to play when I was in junior high (I think the most recent set I played was the 2005-era Japanese themed setting) I liked green, white, and black in some combination, I wasn't a fan of the blue control decks.

Check the format for sure. If it's modern then check the $100 or less budget decks on mtggoldfish probably?

The good news is if it is modern then most of the people are probably going to be older, though the decks are more expensive. I think most of the people that play at a free modern event that I go to regularly are late 20s or older, though there's the occasional college kids.

Although there's one kinda right wing guy that brings his kid to play as well, but I think that's literally the only person I've seen there that's under 20

Bell_
Sep 3, 2006

Tiny Baltimore
A billion light years away
A goon's posting the same thing
But he's already turned to dust
And the shitpost we read
Is a billion light-years old
A ghost just like the rest of us

Silhouette posted:

Willowgeddon was a fuckin real deck, that's why
Serrated Arrows helped thin out 8x pump knights, that's for sure. I'd have used Memory Lapse, but I was using Arcane Denial from Alliances for Turbo Prison.

For someone who started in 4E, Alliances felt like the only good expansion until Mirage block.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

Bell_ posted:

Serrated Arrows helped thin out 8x pump knights, that's for sure. I'd have used Memory Lapse, but I was using Arcane Denial from Alliances for Turbo Prison.

For someone who started in 4E, Alliances felt like the only good expansion until Mirage block.

I started in Revised, and Ice Age is a fine expansion, and Chronicles had a lot of good (at the time) cards that enabled a lot of decks. poo poo is a bit thin in Fallen Empires (though God drat I had so many of those cards) and Homelands, but fortunately Mirage was a real banger of a set.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

hello thread, I basically stopped playing magic after the bro prerelease because I just couldn't be hosed anymore and I've been out of the loop since then. but I heard the prerelease for phyrexia is this weekend, I'm free on Saturday, and prerelease is my favorite magic thing to do so I might as well

so

1) how's wotc/hasbro doing with their bullshit

2) what are the hot commons for phyrexia limited

3) any NoVa goons with lgs recommendations in NoVa?

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit

Bell_ posted:

Serrated Arrows helped thin out 8x pump knights, that's for sure. I'd have used Memory Lapse, but I was using Arcane Denial from Alliances for Turbo Prison.

For someone who started in 4E, Alliances felt like the only good expansion until Mirage block.

in fairness they were back to back and there were only a few months between the two

Orange Fluffy Sheep
Jul 26, 2008

Bad EXP received

Mike N Eich posted:

Why does Melira, Living Cure, have so much text rather than just reading "You can't gain more than one poison counter a turn." ?

It's a replacement effect which has to spell out the event to be replaced and the event replacing it.

It also means that, once Melira replaces an event, you can't gain more poison counters that turn even if she dies horribly in a volcano. As a static ability like you suggest, removing her would reopen the floodgates. Poison floodgates.

E: Like, if it were a static ability, if an opponent cast Prologue to Phyresis and then cast Vraska's Fall to make you sac Melira, you'd get a second poison counter.

Orange Fluffy Sheep fucked around with this message at 01:00 on Feb 3, 2023

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Charity Porno posted:

in fairness they were back to back and there were only a few months between the two

To be doubly fair, it feels like Fallen Empires was released a dozen times over because it was everywhere magic cards were sold from release until like year 2000.

generatrix
Aug 8, 2008

Nothing hurts like a scrape

Kalli posted:

To be doubly fair, it feels like Fallen Empires was released a dozen times over because it was everywhere magic cards were sold from release until like year 2000.

My LGS has a box in the original plastic seal for sale. $1800 (Canadian).

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

generatrix posted:

My LGS has a box in the original plastic seal for sale. $1800 (Canadian).

Lmao loving worthless.

evilweasel
Aug 24, 2002

generatrix posted:

My LGS has a box in the original plastic seal for sale. $1800 (Canadian).

Like two years ago you could get them for 300 or so

Kalli
Jun 2, 2001



Fallen Empires was a bad buy when I got a box of packs for $.25 per from a Waldenbooks firesaling them.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
Fallen Empires sealed boxes will literally never actually be worth money, there just aren't enough good cards to justify it.

CatstropheWaitress
Nov 26, 2017

Where else will you get a Bassal Thrull, Thelonite Druid, Soul Exchange, or Homarid Spawning Bed??

or Ebon Praetor, a card with some of the best matchup of art and what the card does:


I choose to believe the Praetor is the big rabbit.

Qwertycoatl
Dec 31, 2008

Alliances is when R&D realised "hey we could try printing good cards on purpose instead of just occasionally by mistake"

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
The money card in Alliances was Balduvian Horde lol

Macdeo Lurjtux
Jul 5, 2011

BRRREADSTOOORRM!
With Diminishing Returns, Library of Lat Nam and Gargantuan Gorilla were hot on its heels. You could trade a gorilla for a grip of Force of Wills.

A Moose
Oct 22, 2009



I can't believe its possible to bring a sub-$100 deck for Modern FNM. Do any of those actually work? I mean, technically you COULD bring a draft deck with 20 extra lands to hit 60 cards to a modern tournament as a budget option too. Would a $100 deck have a significantly greater chance of winning games than that?

Before Modern Horizons, maybe. There was poo poo like old Living End or Ad Nauseum combo that could steal games or even get top 8 finishes. I feel like even Splinter Twin was pretty affordable, since it was the only deck that didn't run Liliana of the Veil or Tarmagoyf. But now a set of any of the pitch elementals is over $100, Ragavan is $100 apiece, how do you even compete?

Serf
May 5, 2011


A Moose posted:

I can't believe its possible to bring a sub-$100 deck for Modern FNM. Do any of those actually work? I mean, technically you COULD bring a draft deck with 20 extra lands to hit 60 cards to a modern tournament as a budget option too. Would a $100 deck have a significantly greater chance of winning games than that?

Before Modern Horizons, maybe. There was poo poo like old Living End or Ad Nauseum combo that could steal games or even get top 8 finishes. I feel like even Splinter Twin was pretty affordable, since it was the only deck that didn't run Liliana of the Veil or Tarmagoyf. But now a set of any of the pitch elementals is over $100, Ragavan is $100 apiece, how do you even compete?

I play Boros Burn because it was the cheapest meta deck (cheapest meaning almost $400 when I put it together). I still post mostly losses, I don't think you'd have much of a chance with a budget deck.

teppichporsche
May 11, 2019

A Moose posted:

I can't believe its possible to bring a sub-$100 deck for Modern FNM. Do any of those actually work? I mean, technically you COULD bring a draft deck with 20 extra lands to hit 60 cards to a modern tournament as a budget option too. Would a $100 deck have a significantly greater chance of winning games than that?

Before Modern Horizons, maybe. There was poo poo like old Living End or Ad Nauseum combo that could steal games or even get top 8 finishes. I feel like even Splinter Twin was pretty affordable, since it was the only deck that didn't run Liliana of the Veil or Tarmagoyf. But now a set of any of the pitch elementals is over $100, Ragavan is $100 apiece, how do you even compete?

You don’t play those cards. 8-whack, prowess or affinity are cheap and competitive.

Vidmaster
Oct 26, 2002



Charity Porno posted:

The money card in Alliances was Balduvian Horde lol

Hell yeah. I still have the one I traded an underground sea for when Alliances was new :cool:

CellBlock
Oct 6, 2005

It just don't stop.



kalel posted:

hello thread, I basically stopped playing magic after the bro prerelease because I just couldn't be hosed anymore and I've been out of the loop since then. but I heard the prerelease for phyrexia is this weekend, I'm free on Saturday, and prerelease is my favorite magic thing to do so I might as well

so

1) how's wotc/hasbro doing with their bullshit

2) what are the hot commons for phyrexia limited

3) any NoVa goons with lgs recommendations in NoVa?

Hashtag Arena in Herndon is nice, but they run really small prerelease events so you'll want to preregister (if they aren't already sold out). Victory Comics runs nice events and saves some space for walk-ins, but also has preregistration through tonight. Huzzah Hobbies in Ashburn is also nice; I haven't played there in forever but they're a good store. Pair O' Dice in Fairfax is on the Wizards website as hosting prereleases, but their store site doesn't have any on their calendar, so I don't know about them.

EDIT: I'm also helping run the prereleases tomorrow at Victory Comics, so I'm mildly biased in their favor.

CellBlock fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Feb 3, 2023

Weird Pumpkin
Oct 7, 2007

A Moose posted:

I can't believe its possible to bring a sub-$100 deck for Modern FNM. Do any of those actually work? I mean, technically you COULD bring a draft deck with 20 extra lands to hit 60 cards to a modern tournament as a budget option too. Would a $100 deck have a significantly greater chance of winning games than that?

Before Modern Horizons, maybe. There was poo poo like old Living End or Ad Nauseum combo that could steal games or even get top 8 finishes. I feel like even Splinter Twin was pretty affordable, since it was the only deck that didn't run Liliana of the Veil or Tarmagoyf. But now a set of any of the pitch elementals is over $100, Ragavan is $100 apiece, how do you even compete?

The trick to budget modern is you don't play any of those cards

You instead play something like 8-whack or budget affinity (which is pretty much just affinity but no urza's saga iirc), and honestly sort of linear combo/aggro strategies

Your deck is still going to be worse than the full powered top tier modern decks. You can absolutely steal games, but you're definitely going to spend some time with your strategy getting picked apart and not really having a way out. It's sort of a "you win the game if your deck does a thing, regardless of what happens otherwise" vibe sometimes lol

CellBlock
Oct 6, 2005

It just don't stop.



Burn can probably be stripped down to a decent budget deck in Modern. The most expensive non-land looks like it's Eidolon of the Great Revel which doesn't really break the bank, and you could get away with playing mostly basic lands.

Fritzler
Sep 5, 2007


A Moose posted:

I can't believe its possible to bring a sub-$100 deck for Modern FNM. Do any of those actually work? I mean, technically you COULD bring a draft deck with 20 extra lands to hit 60 cards to a modern tournament as a budget option too. Would a $100 deck have a significantly greater chance of winning games than that?

Before Modern Horizons, maybe. There was poo poo like old Living End or Ad Nauseum combo that could steal games or even get top 8 finishes. I feel like even Splinter Twin was pretty affordable, since it was the only deck that didn't run Liliana of the Veil or Tarmagoyf. But now a set of any of the pitch elementals is over $100, Ragavan is $100 apiece, how do you even compete?
This guy's voice is performatively awful but his content is not bad. He made a zombie tribal deck that was under $100 but is now $107 that went 5-0 in a modern league. There are definitely easy upgrades (Cavern of Souls) that would make deck better, but truly interesting to see this deck do so well.

big cummers ONLY
Jul 17, 2005

I made a series of bad investments. Tarantula farm. The bottom fell out of the market.

A few months ago I sold off any card I had worth more than $5, saved a few hundred staples and stuff worth $1-$5, and shoved all the bulk into archive boxes under my bed. My intent was to bulk sell them to my LGS but I only ever make it 80% of the way through a project before stopping. Now the cards call to me. They want me to make bespoke Jumpstart boosters for each set I own. Please kill me

Salvor_Hardin
Sep 13, 2005

I want to go protest.
Nap Ghost

Chainclaw posted:

It was a very different time. You didn't have easy ways to just get ahold of any card you wanted if you were willing to pay enough, online Magic card purchases weren't really a thing in the mid / late '90s. You also didn't have much in the way of net decking, online communities for theory crafting and building decks weren't a huge thing until the early '00s I want to say.

I did have a special promo tournament deck that came with a VHS of that tournament, with an alternate card back to make it not legal to play, so there was some form of high pay out tournament play.

Pshh we didn't need fancy internet decks. We had all the resources we need

22 Eargesplitten
Oct 10, 2010



Macdeo Lurjtux posted:

You'd probably want to check first what format they're running for FNM. Standard isn't really the assumption anymore, my local stores have shifted to Modern or Pioneer for FNM.

If its Pioneer the recent Pioneer Challenger decks are a good place to start, the WB Humans and RG Stompy decks are the most complete out of the box.

If it's modern, they haven't done a starter deck for that in almost 10 years but MTGGoldfish has a few budget deck builds that could be fun but their definition of budget is sub $100.

If it is Standard you'll have to rely on decklists too, the most recent Standard starter decks were pre rotation.

Thanks. I just reached out to the guy that posted the event on Facebook, looks like it's just a casual meetup on Fridays, not an actual FNM tournament. So I can just get whatever.

kalel
Jun 19, 2012

CellBlock posted:

Hashtag Arena in Herndon is nice, but they run really small prerelease events so you'll want to preregister (if they aren't already sold out). Victory Comics runs nice events and saves some space for walk-ins, but also has preregistration through tonight. Huzzah Hobbies in Ashburn is also nice; I haven't played there in forever but they're a good store. Pair O' Dice in Fairfax is on the Wizards website as hosting prereleases, but their store site doesn't have any on their calendar, so I don't know about them.

EDIT: I'm also helping run the prereleases tomorrow at Victory Comics, so I'm mildly biased in their favor.

thx friend

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE



It's legit the worst gimmick on Youtube and I'm annoyed every time his videos show up recommended to me because I know the content itself is good, but delivered in the most obnoxious way possible. Just be loving normal.

mikeraskol
May 3, 2006

Oh yeah. I was killing you.

rickiep00h posted:

It's legit the worst gimmick on Youtube and I'm annoyed every time his videos show up recommended to me because I know the content itself is good, but delivered in the most obnoxious way possible. Just be loving normal.

He has to eat and just putting up a good content Youtube video does not get it done in 2023. It's obnoxious for the first 10 seconds in the introduction and then you move on.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
i know it's apparently time to poo poo on saffron olive in the thread again but some people just sound like that, y'all, and he's probably not actually pretending to have a different voice for dozens of hours a week. some people just have an odd voice

Serf
May 5, 2011


I would gladly take Saffron Olive's frankly mellow cartoon talking dog voice over some of the alternatives out there.

Charity Porno
Aug 2, 2021

by Hand Knit
quick someone post a Rudy video

LGD
Sep 25, 2004

yeah you can speculate about whether it's an affectation he induced in himself at some point or w/e, but it's pretty clearly his actual voice/normal mode of speaking and he's fully aware it's something that turns some proportion of people away from his content (he's discussed it on stream)

it used to annoy the poo poo out of me but with the benefit of time and exposure it's only mildly (and ignoreably) annoying

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flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes

Serf posted:

I would gladly take Saffron Olive's frankly mellow cartoon talking dog voice over some of the alternatives out there.

for the people who rather would not click that link, that's someone with the username 'magic aids' who has a blow up doll of liliana as their avatar. classy

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