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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

goblin week posted:

its a korean show about a deadly game based on childhood plays. its on netflix. it rules. you might have heard of a tiktok trend started by it?

What tiktok trend?

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Yeah that a big load of nothing.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Der Kyhe posted:

Also,it is a stupid detail to nitpick, but like someone said the writing dropped the ball on two game aspects and rules; how the hell is tug of war "equal opportunity"

It wasn't made known that it was a competitive strength challenge. That's literally it.

Other one is totally plot contrivance though.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

VagueRant posted:

Would've saved a lot of time in the storytelling if they'd made it clear before the knockout gas that you could potentially die in the games, as all the desperate people would've signed up anyway and not needed the vote plotline - that was pretty much just a point of getting inevitable audience shock at sniped bodies piling up rather than anything that made sense from a character motivation perspective for the masterminds.

Why tell when you can show though. The shock is a much more effective storytelling tool because they thoroughly built up getting there. I don't think it was wasteful, on the contrary I think it was just right.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

LividLiquid posted:

Exactly. Them espousing that the games are fair, and believing it themselves even though it's patently untrue, is a 1:1 allegory for capitalism.

And like, this isn't turning Star Wars into a socialist work in a reading of it for a video essay. It's right there in the text of the thing.


I think beyond that the old man having rigged the game from the very start to leave him unharmed taints any notion of it being fair. He has literally reconstructed society in his ideal image to play pretend at having deserved his own privilege! It is all just a bizarre joke.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

If you use the English dub I am sorry but you simply must go to jail.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

I think it perfectly hits into people's nostalgia for The Hunger Games (which they've forgotten all about but their brains remember) and the anti-capitalism of Parasite. It just hits a lot of mainstream notes.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Elite posted:

Comparison with Hunger Games: Saw someone bring up Hunger Games earlier in the thread and I have to say I really didn't like Hunger Games. I think most death game (or debt game) stories work because they're a twisted reflection of society. In Squid Game the games are brutal and arbitrary, but they're arguably people's best bet to claw themselves out of the holes they're stuck in hence why people willingly participate. Other stories can have cruel games that are arguably fairer than the real world, or harsh stakes that functionally resemble what happens in the real world anyway.

Hunger Games in comparison made literally 0 sense to me. That world makes no sense and it's comments on society really don't ring true for me. In real life the inequalities of the world stem more from selfishness and indifference to other people's suffering (and finding various contortions to justify this), rather than a deliberate wanton desire to inflict cruelty upon people for sport. Like I said I'm a sucker for death game / debt game / battle royale stuff but I really didn't like the first Hunger Games movie and saw no reason to give the series further chances.

I made that comparison simply to establish that mainstream western audiences, knowingly or not, already have a thirst for death-game stories. Thematically it is of course a complete wash and I didn't like that particular YA-franchises take on it either. Death-game stories thematic edge have always been how they tie to real-life sentiments about the downtrodden of society.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

They're saving the squids for season 2, what a rip-off.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Sinteres posted:

Other than The Sopranos or The Office, who talks about pretty much any show three years later?

Dexter

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Hipster Occultist posted:

How that does not make sense? I mean, the Rebellion wasn't richer than the Empire.

Funded by literal aristocrats and fielding prototype futuretech fighters. :colbert:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Who of you did this

https://twitter.com/lackingsaint/status/1445893847867793408?t=KfK_64GGdciGGMdVXYndkg&s=19

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

The article! :v:

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

punk rebel ecks posted:

That said, you can definitely tell the difference between Korean and Japanese culture both on the setting and overall direction.

Eh not really. Check out Kaiji Ultimate Survivor if you have the time.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

My point wasn't to get into a dick-measuring contest about the two (which I both adore), it was more the part about Korean and Japanese culture being fundamentally different when the truth is that with this particular genre they adapt and learn from each other iteratively.


EDIT: Also slot in the joke about Parasite resonating worldwide because it was a commentary on capitalism somewhere here

MiddleOne fucked around with this message at 18:32 on Oct 8, 2021

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Steve Yun posted:

I’m also confident in saying that Squid Game surpasses Battle Royale as a death game, the episodic format really gives you time to get attached to characters and flesh out their stories, making each loss way more painful.

You should read the manga and/or novel.

MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

Krispy Wafer posted:

Also half of all living former South Korean Presidents are in jail. Which implies extreme corruption, but ironically also a justice system that severely punishes corruption. So in conclusion, South Korea is a land of contrasts.

It's actually the opposite, a high degree of political imprisonment in corrupt societies just reflect regime change and/or personal conflicts. Ergo, the torch being passed from one criminal politician to another. In a nominally democratic society (or hell, one party authoritarian) where it's known that everyone at the top is corrupt, corruption policing itself is a very convenient tool for getting rid of enemies or setting examples.

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MiddleOne
Feb 17, 2011

God there are toddlers with more restraint.

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