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 I'm slightly late but it's Campaign 3 Episode 60!!!
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Jun 2, 2023 03:06
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seems like a nice little town, can't wait to see how hosed up it's gonna get
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Jun 2, 2023 04:03
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Interesting. Wonder in what direction this is heading. EDIT: Huh, maybe this actually the inversion of what I expected in terms of the relative party attitudes to gods. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 05:22 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Jun 2, 2023 04:26
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this is like if the wicker man villagers were in the IRA and i'm here for it
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Jun 2, 2023 05:57
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they may have uncovered a slight Cult of Elemental Evil situation here...
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Jun 2, 2023 05:58
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eke out posted:this is like if the wicker man villagers were in the IRA and i'm here for it I get the feeling this team is going on a "Kill everyone" path to contrast the other team's "Save the town with friendship" path
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Jun 2, 2023 06:01
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DarklyDreaming posted:I get the feeling this team is going on a "Kill everyone" path to contrast the other team's "Save the town with friendship" path there's always "abruptly betray the townspeople and ally with vasselheim forces" option when they start going murder crazy but yeah lol this seems like a lot more of a no-win no-good-guys situation than the other party got
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Jun 2, 2023 06:04
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We need blood from someone killed within 24 hours Hey Chad get over here 
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Jun 2, 2023 06:43
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God, poor Liam. I hate it when the dice gently caress things up like this.
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Jun 2, 2023 07:00
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Jetrauben posted:God, poor Liam. I hate it when the dice gently caress things up like this. It's truly unfortunate.
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Jun 2, 2023 07:02
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I will say drat, are the anti-god arguments kind of weak. On the other hand, it kind of feels like Mercer dialed up the Dawnfather's assholery a bit to make it feel a little less totally unjustified?
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Jun 2, 2023 07:27
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Jetrauben posted:I will say drat, are the anti-god arguments kind of weak. On the other hand, it kind of feels like Mercer dialed up the Dawnfather's assholery a bit to make it feel a little less totally unjustified? Yeah I feel like Matt's trying to do the whole "He's out of line but he's right" approach to Ludinus, the problem is that the earlier text contradicts this attitude at every level
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Jun 2, 2023 07:31
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DarklyDreaming posted:Yeah I feel like Matt's trying to do the whole "He's out of line but he's right" approach to Ludinus, the problem is that the earlier text contradicts this attitude at every level Yeah, like, it feels genuinely impossible for Ludinus to be remotely right. The Calamity was the direct fault of mortal wizards being jerks, and the good-aligned gods in campaign 1 and 2 are by and large clearly forces for good and justice. The Dawnfather is being a dick, but notably I don't really think that that applies to the other gods or even prior text. Idunno, it's confusing.
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Jun 2, 2023 07:57
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Maybe the Dawnfather is just cranky this decade.
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Jun 2, 2023 13:01
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Jetrauben posted:Yeah, like, it feels genuinely impossible for Ludinus to be remotely right. The Calamity was the direct fault of mortal wizards being jerks, and the good-aligned gods in campaign 1 and 2 are by and large clearly forces for good and justice. The Dawnfather is being a dick, but notably I don't really think that that applies to the other gods or even prior text. The Calamity was the fault of one evil God doing his best to abuse the good heart and intentions of people.
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Jun 2, 2023 13:38
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I think Matt is aiming at a position you can argue from a reasonable place; fundamentally it’s “there is no such thing as a good dictator, only less tyrannical ones; let’s break out the guillotines and drat the consequences” writ large, which… when you have a set of gods that are known to be fallible and have interests which are not necessarily aligned with humanity is a position I can see being persuaded by. It obviously has the same problems as everything in that genre, but it is a position someone could conceivably arrive at without being a Saturday morning cartoon villain. Especially if you’ve gotten used to the ultra privilege of having magic for centuries. I don’t think Ludinus is right but I do think he’s got an understandable (if ultimately evil) position. It’s just, you know, I like Big Thinky Philosophical Villians as much as the next DM but the tabletop ain’t really the greatest space for the nuances of their positions to come out most of the time.
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Jun 2, 2023 14:34
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i think sending this crew to this continent helps with that, given we've been in a lot of places without a lot of divine control, but here you have proper religious secret police and poo poo and there is the whole part where agents of vasselheim covered all this up forever. i am guessing "a lot of the gods aren't so bad but a whole lot of the current organized religion is a gently caress" is going to be the synthesis
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Jun 2, 2023 15:19
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Screw the metaphilosophical debates. "We're going to drive the religeous intruders out by force" becomes "Let's get the guards drunk and high and friendly" becomes "I'm turning the moon into a sign from god" and "gently caress it, I'm using vines and my sword to toss this fool into the wall" is the kind of chucklefuckery I come here for and I'm loving this.
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Jun 2, 2023 15:29
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Wyld Karde posted:Screw the metaphilosophical debates. "We're going to drive the religeous intruders out by force" becomes "Let's get the guards drunk and high and friendly" becomes "I'm turning the moon into a sign from god" and "gently caress it, I'm using vines and my sword to toss this fool into the wall" is the kind of chucklefuckery I come here for and I'm loving this. Similarly Orym reacting the way he did makes it clear some kind of switch has flipped and he's ready to kill anyone or anything that stands between him and Ludinus' vital organs 
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Jun 2, 2023 16:01
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:The Calamity was the fault of one evil God doing his best to abuse the good heart and intentions of people. Ehhhh... The Calamity was also the direct result of an immensely corrupt and unjust civilization that could not see any reason to ever restrain itself, and the efforts of multiple mages to clutch at cosmic total power - Chloris to replace a god, and Laerryn and co to get access to the other planes - implicitly, getting the right to pillage the afterlife should they see fit. (That's basically why you'd want to get access to the outer planes as a bunch of greedy wizards who are already skimming off the top and violating their deals with others to have more magic for their pet projects or life extension, or at least a totally logical outcome thereof.) Avalir and the other flying mage cities were deeply corrupt! Asmodeus and the Betrayers were monsters, but they were in a position to do harm thanks to wizard bullshit. Ludinus and co are wizards who resent the idea that anyone else can have or deserve power, especially clerics, whom they feel haven't "earned" it the way they have. In that, they're just a continuation of Age of Arcanum nonsense. Jetrauben fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 2, 2023 |
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Jun 2, 2023 18:44
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