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AnoHito posted:It turns out there is actually nothing more complicated to Miranjo, I guess. "She's an evil piece of poo poo. End of story. Also we wasted our one free wish to keep her alive for god knows what reason" The show just kind of expects you to forgive someone as soon as they express remorse about their actions. All it takes is a single action of redemption and everything horrible they did is in the past.
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IShallRiseAgain posted:The show just kind of expects you to forgive someone as soon as they express remorse about their actions. All it takes is a single action of redemption and everything horrible they did is in the past. To be fair that's in-character for Bojji. And him (and Daida) being the big shots mean that everybody else falls in line and goes with them. Anyways, Imagine Daida is like a king in a feudal setting: nothing weird with them sicko kings arranging a marriage with whomever the hell they want. Dude barely even proposed, he just took the decision. trucutru fucked around with this message at 04:36 on Mar 18, 2022 |
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Mar 18, 2022 04:27
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IShallRiseAgain posted:The show just kind of expects you to forgive someone as soon as they express remorse about their actions. All it takes is a single action of redemption and everything horrible they did is in the past. This is an anime thing in general. Vegeta kills an entire planet, then a whole city on your turf, and genocides another planet for a treat? Make him the BFF from next arc onward, sure why not. Well until he kills a stadium worth of people, but hey he can be forgiven next arc, its all good. Endeavor forced marriage on a woman to be his eugenics broodmare and then abused all the kids he had with her? He softened up a little so I guess he is okay now. Sasuke did *waves vaguely at a whole bunch of messed up poo poo* gets a pass at the end because the power of friendship. Hell even Freeza, the multi-planet killing space Hitler, got a redemption arc. But even with the anime tradition of the irredeemable getting redeemed because of plot, the forgiveness of Miranjo seems unearned. Yeah I don't want to see her in perpetual, eaten then barfed up then eaten again demon hell, but she shouldn't get off scot-free. At the very least she should be in underworld jail for a few decades. You did a bunch of messed up poo poo, but a pre-teen boy wants to marry you, is not a proper redemption arc.
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Kung Food posted:Endeavor forced marriage on a woman to be his eugenics broodmare and then abused all the kids he had with her? He softened up a little so I guess he is okay now. He only abused one of his kids, and after one abused himself off the grid, severely neglected the rest. Oh god even the retcons made to soften him up are bad...
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Mar 18, 2022 05:17
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I really, really don't like Miranjo/Daida. For gently caress's sake just have them be bffs there's no reason to make things this weird  . I also hate that Boji is cool with his brother marrying the woman who murdered his mom. That feels like a bit of a stretch even for him.Hiling's reaction and the underworld king taking 1st place in the rankings ruled though. Looking forward to chaos ensuing.
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Mar 18, 2022 06:35
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Kung Food posted:This is an anime thing in general. Vegeta kills an entire planet, then a whole city on your turf, and genocides another planet for a treat? Make him the BFF from next arc onward, sure why not. Well until he kills a stadium worth of people, but hey he can be forgiven next arc, its all good.
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Mar 18, 2022 11:37
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Vegeta did no wrong I do feel a lot of sympathy for past Miranjo and the suicide scene hit me hard, but I definitely have a hard time feeling as sympathetic for current Miranjo as the show wants me to
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Miranjo for me is a character that's pitiful but not sympathetic which happens a lot in series in general, not just anime. I always think of Ransik from Power Rangers Time Force on this since Linkara's review of that show made me realize the difference between both things; Ransik has a really sad backstory where he's gone through a lot of discrimination from birth due to being born with a mutation, but he's hardly sympathetic, he's a monstruous criminal who kills anyone that dares get in his way with no remorse whatsoever, drove the one person that genuinely showed him kindness into madness and a robotic body, and ultimately only realizes he may have gone too far after accidentally hurting the one person he cared about. Miranjo is roughly the same. Her backstory is horrible, she absolutely should not have gone through all she did and she has every right to have horrible trauma after all of that. But that doesn't justify her present actions and she should at least face hatred from the people most hurt by them (Daida, Bojji, Hiling...hell, the entire kingdom at this point). Instead the series confuses both things and accepts her being instantly forgiven, and hell, getting the closest possible version of what she always wanted (Bosse never leaving her side, through his son Daida marrying her). To make it worse, Daida essentially turns the hell he was sent into into a good thing because it let him grow, as all horribly traumatic experiences do. I sure do not thank anyone for the poo poo I went through that made me realize how much I needed to change, and it didn't involve my dad hijacking my body! I feel she should at least have some punishment but instead the only one that thinks Miranjo is evil now is Miranjo herself. Everyone else is completely okay with her. Even for Bojji it feels too far, considering we know he is capable of not forgiving people, as shown with Domas, and for all Domas did wrong, at least he didn't kill Bojji's mother in front of him...but apparently that can be forgotten now, everything's fine (in fairness, said mother held no grudges and fairly so...but I don't think that really fixes the situation).
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Note that we still don't know what the devil's payment will be. Though on the other hand I feel eventually Boji will fight or otherwise overcome the devil and undo some of the bad consequences it lays on people, so at the end of the series whatever Daida has to sacrifice for saving Miranjo might not even play out to its full extent.
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Mar 18, 2022 14:07
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Should be noted, the jury's still out as to whether the marriage will even go through. For one thing, Hilling could just flat out forbid it, at least until Daida's of age.
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Mar 18, 2022 14:24
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I'm definitely waiting for the other shoe to drop on the cost of bringing her back. The Demon didn't show any hesitation or annoyance on having to free Miranjo despite finally getting to devour her soul, doesn't seem like he should be fine with letting her off essentially scot free. Most likely won't be something we see the ramifications for until a potential next season though. But on Miranjo proper, I dunno how to feel about the whole situation. I think playing Endwalker has prepped me to easily forgive characters in media who have done terrible things lol. But I think the forgiveness stuff happened way too fast, in a way that felt like it was rushed in order to have a conclusion to this whole story arc, dunno if it happened the same way/speed in the manga. Also Daida sounds so old even though he's supposed to be like 10 or something it's really hard for me to see him as a kid outside the first couple episodes, so the whole in love with Miranjo thing didn't bug me as much as it should I guess, still kinda silly though. The show's tone and artstyle is so unsexualized that this element doesn't set off the same alarm bells it would in most other series for me, I think.
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mabels big day posted:Note that we still don't know what the devil's payment will be. Though on the other hand I feel eventually Boji will fight or otherwise overcome the devil and undo some of the bad consequences it lays on people, so at the end of the series whatever Daida has to sacrifice for saving Miranjo might not even play out to its full extent. The price was the devil's head. That was the point of Despa's plan, to take the devil's head so they could wish Ouken back to normal without having to pay a price, which Daida hosed up by wishing Miranjo back to life instead.
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I didnt really get the impression that the devil was particularly threatened by them having his head but I could be wrong. I figured Despa was just willing to sacrifice something
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I just turned this off mid episode after once again someone fights someone then immediately turns around and starts healing them. It feels like at least the fourth time this has happened and it never feels deserved. This story telling just doesn't work for me. There's no knowing what or why anyone is doing anything for.
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mabels big day posted:I didnt really get the impression that the devil was particularly threatened by them having his head but I could be wrong. I figured Despa was just willing to sacrifice something He wasn't. Like, he *wants* people to ask for wishes so having someone "threaten" him with his head is perfectly fine 'cuz that means another wish.
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Strange episode in that it had the energy of one of those TV show compilation movies that seemingly leaves massive, inscrutable gaps that beg the question---this feels like it was missing a cool ep or so worth of doings. Still hopeful for the rest but...this was somehow abruptly out of character for the show up to now. At least is wasn't a twist on the level of Odd Taxi's back half.
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Yes it had multiple infact.
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Just got around to watching the episode, and while Daida's decision is super offputting, I don't think it is all that surprising. Despite recent events, she was basically his mentor for years beforehand. No doubt he developed feelings for her during that time. Yeah, the decision is still problematic in that he was also meant to be a means to an end for her, but I didn't find it unrealistic. Plus, I think a lot of people's immediate reaction is based on the assumption that Bosse + Miranjo had a lovers dynamic when it was meant to be more father/daughter. Consider, they met when Bosse dueled and killed her father and ended up getting nursed back to health by her mother. When her mother was lynched, he became responsible for her.
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i think the whole trying to kill his wives thing speaks to some romantic feelings on her end, Bosse not so much
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Maybe we'll get the true reality check when Daida/Miranjo's relationship falls apart immediately because the one is idolizing his abuser and the other is substituting for her older crush. 
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Miranjo's relationship with Bosse at least seemed like an obsession/devotion completely removed from any spectrum of romance tbh.
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Holy crap this last episode just like evaporated time credits were rolling when I was expecting ten more minutes. Daida’s wish was horrible but felt completely in character because hey he makes horrible decisions. Lmao I can see the souls being tortured by this devil in the twinkle its eyes let’s loving ask it for something! Miranjo confusing him for Bosse immediately seemed like a giant siren that no the show isn’t supposed to think you are okay with it either. I can’t untwist that last line in my head but whatever. Hiling had the correct reaction as always. kater fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Mar 22, 2022 |
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"Mother, this woman is the one who orchestrated all of these events and almost killed us all. And I'm going to marry her. "
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starkebn posted:I just turned this off mid episode after once again someone fights someone then immediately turns around and starts healing them. It feels like at least the fourth time this has happened and it never feels deserved. Yeah, I enjoy the animation of this show and the universe it's in, but the characters are completely inscrutable to me. People are murdering each other, healing each other, and switching sides back and forth between a matter of minutes. Almost none of their motivations are the least bit clear to me, and so it's hard to enjoy following along.
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What a way to make the conclusion of this wrong in every way. Except for Bosse dying. Bosse is a giant piece of poo poo.
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Mar 22, 2022 21:37
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Oh poo poo Kingbo is alive.
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I wonder why the snakes saved Kingbo. Is there a third life-debt that the 3 headed snake owes him too???
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mabels big day posted:I wonder why the snakes saved Kingbo. Is there a third life-debt that the 3 headed snake owes him too??? A life debt for each head.
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even as a Domas fan, it feels wack that he also jumps on the Miranjo forgiveness train here thankfully most of the finale is good, even if i'm not hugely into the Bojji and Kage friendship to care about them making drama over it
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I'm not crying! You're crying!
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pretty stupid second cour, but dang it sure did look nice sometimes
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Second cour was definitely: a lot happened, not much happened. Loved most of the final episode, hoping that the series delivers on more of the promised far reaching adventure aspect in the future. See you all in five years
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Cheap Diner Coffee posted:Second cour was definitely: a lot happened, not much happened. I feel like the show focused on too many of the secondary cast members. This decision largely overshadowed the development of Bojji and Kage's relationship, and ended up wasting the payoff from it at the end.
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Is 23 the final episode? I was hoping of more of a teaser on the ranking of kings thing and where that's going next.
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Although the second cour didn’t live up to the first, this episode and swordsmanship of a king really saved it from being bad. Great episode
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w00tazn posted:Is 23 the final episode? I was hoping of more of a teaser on the ranking of kings thing and where that's going next. As far as I can tell the anime just caught up to the manga (which has been running since 2017) so it’ll probably be a long time until there’s enough to make for a second season
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