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BlitznBurst
Feb 28, 2019

Cao Ni Ma posted:

drat imagine people influenced by external factors choosing the option that benefits them or the people they serve the most regardless of how noble or not their actions are. Oh thats the entire crux of this series, almost every character has had to confront this at one point or the other and they are atoning for it. Any reading that is "drat this people are horrible and deserved to die" is completely out of whack with what the story has been saying. Bosse cut them short before they could get to that point, and only realized how hosed up he was when he was doing the same thing when Boji was born.

Bosse is STILL trying to atone, clumsily, but he's trying. Miranjo is hosed up, she has only started to scratch at it and hasn't realized it yet. Their self destructive co-dependent relationship reminds me of Mikazuki and Orga from Gundam IBO.

See the problem here is that the show clearly wants us to sympathise with them by making them out to be an impoverished underclass simply doing their best to get along, but their actual actions are those of a bunch of two-dimensionally awful baby eaters who torture and maim a child for literally no reason. You can't have a character gleefully stomp on a puppy's head for shits and giggles and then just turn around and go "he's just doing his best to survive :/" and act as though you're making any sort of meaningful statement on human nature. That is at best a comically fumbled attempt at portraying any sort of moral nuance.
That being said, I don't really think this is a huge departure from what the show has been trying to do all this time. The show certainly tries to portray all of its characters as having nuance and layers and never being just two-dimensional villains, but there are still times where the show's attempts to garner sympathy for certain characters has fallen somewhat flat. I think the show was clearly trying to portray them as simply being hardened from their life experiences, it's just its attempts at portraying that went comically overboard.
That being said, if you're inclined to put stock in the potential real-life parallels (which I'm not sure on what to make of, but also don't wanna just dismiss out of hand)... then boy does this not look good even from that lens.

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BlitznBurst
Feb 28, 2019

mabels big day posted:

Note that we still don't know what the devil's payment will be. Though on the other hand I feel eventually Boji will fight or otherwise overcome the devil and undo some of the bad consequences it lays on people, so at the end of the series whatever Daida has to sacrifice for saving Miranjo might not even play out to its full extent.

The price was the devil's head. That was the point of Despa's plan, to take the devil's head so they could wish Ouken back to normal without having to pay a price, which Daida hosed up by wishing Miranjo back to life instead.

BlitznBurst
Feb 28, 2019

The first two episodes were pretty whatever but past that I thought it was generally pretty cute. Some fun side stories and plenty of cool animation even if there isn't a whole lot of substance to most of it. If you like the show's characters then there's no real reason not to watch it.
I'm kind of curious what this movie will even be, presumably it'll still be side story stuff rather than continuing the manga. Hopefully it'll be more of an actual story with substance rather than just more fluff.

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