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Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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All Microsoft features are bonusware

They exist to get the program manager who insisted on it a juicy bonus

On a scale of 1 to 10, how likely are you to recommend Microsoft Windows to a friend or colleague?

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Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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Microsoft software, when in doubt, will just display a spinny icon while pausing and doing absolutely nothing for 30 minutes (PM note: let's make this 90 min to be on the safe side -Jeff) and then display an "uwu we made a fucky wucky :(" message

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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beta tested in the future

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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really is amazing that basic os functionality has been defective for decades in a way that is easily implemented by a third party tool that was also finished and feature complete for about as many decades

but implementing a performant and unobtrusive os feature doesn't get the manager responsible a thick, juicy, glistening, throbbing, veiny bonus

... sorry got a bit sidetracked there

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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i'm glad that i can use microsoft teams and microsoft outlook from tabs in the chrome browser that is installed on my computer's linux-based operating system

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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Cybernetic Vermin posted:

intel has always been genuinely great on open standards and open source. look back to usb for a lot of really heavy lifting from intel, both in open specifications, hardware implementations released for free, and support for the linux implementation. and that was at a time where they were extremely dominant, and smaller competitors pushed weird proprietary stuff.

makes perfect sense if they're a hardware monopoly that doesn't want to divide a lucrative pie with a software monopoly

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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"just do a bunch of what used to be Linux User poo poo to make your computer usable, nbd"

is there like an arch wiki equivalent for windows these days?

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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Beeftweeter posted:

lmao, i really hate that every error in modern ms stuff is "Something went wrong"

just give me the inscrutable technobabble poo poo so i can solve it

install linux

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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I use Teams from a chome tab and it works fine for me (insofar as Teams itself can ever be described as "fine")

They even added the background screening feature to the in-browser version recently

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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but just think about how juicy his bonus was

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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i'm so glad i use a commercial operating system. not like one of those operating systems maintained by amateurs who break things constantly where i have to look up weird hacker websites that tell me to edit configuration files and also the sound doesn't work

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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yeah we used to have programs that fit into megabytes, even kilobytes of memory and were very responsive even on the anemic hardware of the day.

then the electron clan invaded

to be fair c++ is haaaard, guys. what am i, a programmer or something?i don't want to think about any of that pointer ownership stuff

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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apple platforms still use unmanaged languages for user interface development and they have more money than God. seems to be working out just fine for them

even managed languages (including javascript) could be tolerable, it's html and css that are the problem.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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if Electron Hellworld is something that we simply must have then at least standardize it and make it part of the operating system. Make a WebPackage and WebFFI standard or some poo poo so I don't have ten different 300MB copies of Chrome kicking around.

It won't happen though because an operating system-level Chrome means operating system-level adblockers and we can't have that now can we

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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yes, which is where standardization comes in. you need a standard manifest for launching a frameless webview displaying some local url and a standard ffi for calling out to an automatically-selected native code bundle for the currently executing platform from javascript. if developers have to write separate boilerplate main() startup code for every platform then they're not going to bother and will just continue using electron instead.

nodejs NAPI is pretty nice as FFIs go, maybe they should standardize that. i think mozilla came up with some sort of web bundle and web manifest standard a while back as well.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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nodejs and electron have exactly that though, there's NodeJS' unstable C++ API and there's the new NAPI thing. Java has JNI and a few other modern equivalents. It's the same FFI on every platform though which is the important thing.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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there can only be one report.xls

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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Pile Of Garbage posted:

can't wait to download registry editor from the microsoft store

the Pro version or the limited* ad supported version?

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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there is not a single os where bluetooth works

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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I still maintain that there's a place in the market for an ElasticSearch cluster with a human-curated allowlist of domains and a few hundred ingestors for the most common software stacks out there like Facebook and Amazon but also Wordpress, Discourse, Mastodon etc.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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infernal machines posted:

imagine for a moment having an os that didn't spend the first 10 minutes after installation forcing you through signing into "value added" online services, demanding your consent for analytics and ad tracking, and bombarding you with toasts, prompts, and notifications for every single feature

like, you installed it, and it was done, and you could just start using it for the things you intended to use your computer for.

man, that'd be loving wild. or linux, i guess.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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yes but linux required me to manually configure a driver once so next to that what is a little bit of wilfully-hostile indignity really

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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oh, that was in response to the posts above yours sorry

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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there is a difference between malicious and misguided and while i'm at it gently caress hanlon's razor as well by the way

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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It's not even the fact that the advertising integrated into the operating system pisses on my face so often and this is just accepted as a normal thing now that pisses me off, it's the fact that the ui text is just so loving chummy these days. But unfortunately that is not a problem limited to just Microsoft.

Wait I'm lying the advertising absolutely pisses me off too. Which is why I Installed Linux when I built my new PC out of amd parts a year ago.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
do foreign language versions of windows and other such golly-gee-shucks-ware use the second person singular to address the user?

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
long after microsoft ceased to have any credible competition they still developed their product in a manner befitting an august megacorp of old

so you'd have actual human employees doing QA and you'd have at least some documentation and you'd also have professional translators for a hundred languages

then the loving googleoids came along and so did the other companies in the big tech bazinga brigade and now well you'll eat whatever rancid poo poo squirts out of big tech's rear end in a top hat because what else are you going to do.


...

hiyo! hey buddy we know you're busy but would you like to take a survey??? the PM really really wants to take some numbers to his boss to demonstrate that he deserves a bonus and a promotion, please understand

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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even macos isn't immune to this sort of crap though

SIGN INTO YOUR APPLE ACCOUNT, M'LADY?


hmm no i don't think i will

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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i have no desire to kiss any billionaire on the lips op

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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at some point they started making active calls float over the whole rest of the interface and while i can kinda see why they chose to do that i'd still prefer it if they remained confined to the tab for that call

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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there's ungoogled chromium as well isn't there?

bit of a pain to install ubo into though

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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bad screen has chrome for work stuff and firefox for channeling the splendor of my posts

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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installing fedora linux and running things from steam involves too much nerd crap, so let's use a bunch of IT janitor tools to remove all of the first-party literal actual malware from my OS like i'm a veterinarian deworming sheep for a living

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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this isn't the linux thread but fwiw i have an amd rx 6700xt card and if you don't do any ray tracing gimmick crap then it runs everything just fine at max settings at 1080p60. and it makes a pretty good go of running most things at 1440p144 if i forget to kick the settings down or don't bother or whatever. i don't have any RT games but supposedly that already works-ish on the open source amd drivers as well.

faith ekstrand et al recently started to write a new open source nvidia vulkan driver as well and the mesa people are regularly going from zero to production-grade gpu drivers in something like 18 months now just because they have so much common graphics driver infrastructure to build on, so pretty soon the proprietary nvidia driver might not even matter for gaming applications (obviously you'd still need it for cuda etc).

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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Pile Of Garbage posted:

ive never experienced random app shortcuts appearing anywhere in my start menu or elsewhere since using win10 and win11 for like years. only exception is sometimes new apps will get installed but i just uninstall them and they stay uninstalled.

idk what magic combination of settings affords me this luxury. i usually disable all suggested and recommended start menu poo poo, maybe that's part of it.

what country do you live in? apparently the worst of this sewage is only dumped on people living in the us

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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the number of people who care enough and are knowledgeable enough to deploy gpos to fix this has to be a very small proportion of the install base anyway so it feels like it's actively spiteful.

most people really do not Computer much at all, they just use computer. and crapware has been a fact of life on all non-Apple computing devices for decades now. the only real difference is that microsoft decided that if there's going to be crapware on computers running their OS anyway then they may as well get their beak wet too.

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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i'm still mad they killed edgehtml

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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akadajet posted:

why? it sucked

beats having the de facto standard for the web platform be the 2 million (or whatever) lines of c++ that google and apple's forks of webkit have in common

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost
nah the current state of windows was inevitable. microsoft's business of producing desktop operating systems and office suites has been a solved problem for about 15 years now so well you gotta do something to juice those revenue figures otherwise your investors will have the sads

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Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

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hey op are you interested in a GitLens Pro subscription???



ok we'll ask you again later

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