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Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



With the 20th Anniversary of Breaking Bad coming up, I think It's time for a new thread. Don't use spoilers, if I wanted to look at CIA documents I'd be making an Americans thread

Breaking Bad is the 2008 adaption of the Colombian show metastasis, and sequel to the superior in every way Better Call Saul.


Dramatis personae


Walter White, starting the series as a lowly Highschool Teacher after being forced out of his own company, his life takes a turn after he's diagnosed with Lung Cancer. Setting to put things right and provide for his family before he dies he enters the highly lucrative career as a drug baron. Not a fan of Doorbells.




Jesse Pinkman Small time Drug Dealer, former student of Walters. His life turns around when Mr.White takes him up as business partner. Walter gives him hands on experience with advanced chemistry, makes him exceedingly wealthy, gives him opportunities to travel to other countries, and helps remove toxic women from his life.


Skylar White, Walts wife and business partner, former eBay retailer. Suggests Walt buy a carwash to launder their money as a laundromat would be to on the nose.


Saul Goodman Continuing his role from Better Call Saul, Jimmy is back as a crooked lawyer with a heart of gold. His expertise and knowledge of the criminal underworld provides new opportunities for the two new drug lords, and he's the only reason they didn't end up dead or arrested early on. He's still with Kim.


Gus Fring Ruthless, cold, and calculating, Gus does not tolerate any mistakes within his operation. He's managed to go from the small time into one of the most powerful players in the region by ruthlessly stamping out the competition and providing the best product. He also sells drugs


Mike Ehrmantraut Former security guard and housecleaner, he now works as a security consultant for a major German company.


Hector Salmenaca A character with few lines of dialogue, but an explosive impact on the plot


Hank Schrader DEA agent, and mineral aficionado. Probably thinks he's a total loving idiot when he realizes Walt is Hindenburg


Marie Schrader Hanks kleptomaniac wife, will never be in Smash


Todd Lastname I thought he was married to Kirsten Dunst, but according to Wikipedia they're just engaged


Walt Junior AKA Flynn Walts son and unbeknownst to him the true kingpin of Albuquerque

Gaius Marius fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Nov 1, 2021

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Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



This OP minerals :hellyeah:

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

This is an amazing OP but I do have to ask how many years you think itís been since 2008

SLICK GOKU BABY
Jun 12, 2001

Havin' a roni


Escobarbarian posted:

This is an amazing OP but I do have to ask how many years you think itís been since 2008

30

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

You completely left out the prequel series "Malcolm is the one that's in the middle"

Lister
Apr 23, 2004





in an alternate reality, breaking bad was cancelled after one season and its failure was blamed on a bad title and bad marketing like focusing so much on walt in the desert with a gun and no pants

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007

Everybody's postin' 'bout
my love for the
Kiiiiiller Klowns!




I just rewatched the entire series this past 2 week and that poo poo was intense and good. I'mma move on to Better Call Saul because I don't remember watching all of it.

Propaganda Machine
Jan 2, 2005

Truthiness!

Marie should be wearing purple in the OP.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



Propaganda Machine posted:

Marie should be purple in the OP.
sorry my mistake

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



I been thinking about Mad Men and Breaking Bad and how they're contrasted. Both airing on the same network and at the same time invites a lot of comparison, and I think it's interesting to see how the Style of the series differs.

If you watch Mad Men, it's obvious that Weiner had the Ending planned from the first second, the sheer number of callbacks to season 1 in the last two seasons makes it obvious. While I think these leads to some very very good characterization for Don, and the rest of the Mains. And means that despite how long the series ran it still remained tight in it's plottelling. I do think this lead to a bit of inflexibility.

When you compare this to Breaking Bad where jackshit was planned and everything was coming to the wire. This lead to Breaking Bad, imo at least, having real trouble finding it's footing, BCS too to a much lesser extent. I'd honestly say the first season of Breaking Bad is only mildly interesting and the second is only saved by Saul and lesserly Mike. But it also means that the greater freedom in plot gives them time to cultivate their talent better. Jessie and Kim were both meant to have small roles with Jessie dying in season one, and I think we saw how that turned out. We see this also with Mike being bumped up from a cleaner, to a main, to one of the Co Leads nearly with Saul. On the other hand I think the focus on the best and brightest of the cast, instead of the focus being on the cast that leads to the plot end, means the Albequrqueverse tends to feel more claustrophobic than even the Mad Men universe, everyone and everything ends up connected in such a way that It can feel less like a coherent world than a series of impressive vignettes. An Albuquerque without Saul, Walt, or Jessie feels hollow in a way that a Manhattan without Don does not.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012




ty the op shall be updated with this startling new news

Collateral
Feb 17, 2010


Hank from starship troopers...

Stairmaster
Jun 8, 2012



Chuck Norris

OnlyBans
Sep 21, 2021

by sebmojo


Gaius Marius posted:

An Albuquerque without Saul, Walt, or Jessie feels hollow in a way that a Manhattan without Don does not.

I feel like that is just provincialism at play. Outside of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, when have you ever thought about Albuquerque? We take for granted that characters in Manhattan have outside lives because you can have them talk about things that we all (via showbiz) know.

If Jesse talks to Badger about hitting up a seedy dive bar, to the viewer that lovely dive bar exists just for them. If Don runs into a colleague at a seedy dive bar, you can link that dive bar's wikipedia page and all the famous people who went there.

It's silk vs velvet. And to my mind, you squeeze velvet you are likely to get a cloud of dust. Silk, on the other hand, is smooth as hell and either works or doesn't.

Alhazred
Feb 16, 2011






People like to say that in a country with universal healthcare Walter wouldn't have become a drug kingpin. But Walter would always have found an excuse to let loose his inner rear end in a top hat. For him the money is secondary to the joy he finds in screwing others people over.

OnlyBans
Sep 21, 2021

by sebmojo


I view it more as he was freed by death. But yes, he was just looking for an excuse. Saying universal healthcare would fix Walt is as mistaken as saying that taking the sinecure job at Grey Matter would have fixed Walt.

I'm reminded of a postdoc I accidentally helped arrest. He was your typical disgruntled postdoc -- anybody who has worked in academic science knows the type and Walt fits the bill. I'm sure it is more universal too, the dude at the office who should have gotten that promotion but got screwed over because of "office politics"/Affirmative Action/Whatever-the-greivance-du-jour. Anyway, I was an undergrad and left my Geiger counter on when I left the hot room like the idiot I was. It started to go crazy in the hallway. Evidently the dude was putting P-32 (a radioactive particle) on the water fountains with the intent of poisoning his co-workers. If Walt had gone to Grey Matter he 100% would have pulled a stunt like that.

Hollismason
Jun 30, 2007

Everybody's postin' 'bout
my love for the
Kiiiiiller Klowns!




Hank must have taken a massive poo poo after he discovered the Walt Whitman book. One of the greatest scenes(shits) in tv history imo.

Gaius Marius
Oct 9, 2012



OnlyBans posted:

I feel like that is just provincialism at play. Outside of Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul, when have you ever thought about Albuquerque? We take for granted that characters in Manhattan have outside lives because you can have them talk about things that we all (via showbiz) know.

If Jesse talks to Badger about hitting up a seedy dive bar, to the viewer that lovely dive bar exists just for them. If Don runs into a colleague at a seedy dive bar, you can link that dive bar's wikipedia page and all the famous people who went there.

It's silk vs velvet. And to my mind, you squeeze velvet you are likely to get a cloud of dust. Silk, on the other hand, is smooth as hell and either works or doesn't.

I don't think so, the added locational benefits of NY being more real in the viewers mind might be an added bonus, but Mad Men also keeps their tertiary characters in a state of motion. Midge didn't get trapped in amber when Don broke it off, she kept living and we see the results when she turns back up, same with What we hear about Rachel Menken.
Compared, Badger at the start of Season 1 and the end of Season 7 is basically the same. And while you might be able to give Mad Men's greater timespan credit for some of this, with BCS added you can still see the same principal. Huell is almost completely unchanged from his first Chronological appearance to his last. Breaking Bad just isn't as interested in exploring the non main casts lives in the same way Mad Men is.

OnlyBans posted:

I view it more as he was freed by death. But yes, he was just looking for an excuse. Saying universal healthcare would fix Walt is as mistaken as saying that taking the sinecure job at Grey Matter would have fixed Walt.


Alhazred posted:

People like to say that in a country with universal healthcare Walter wouldn't have become a drug kingpin. But Walter would always have found an excuse to let loose his inner rear end in a top hat. For him the money is secondary to the joy he finds in screwing others people over.

People who say things like this are more interested in lame hottakes than they are in actually considering the works they view, I find it personally annoying.

nine-gear crow
Aug 10, 2013






I can't believe it's been 50 years since Malcolm in the Middle ended. Where does the time go?

OnlyBans
Sep 21, 2021

by sebmojo


gently caress you too, but

Badger is a pretty different person from Menken and Midge. One of the legitimate sins you can talk about in BB is that meth=pot. A dumb loving stoner is going to be quite unchanged stuck in a sort of perpetual adolescence that gets more pathetic the older they get.

Midge becoming a hardcore heroin addict is more part of Mad Men's deeply conservative worldview so of course bohemians either grow up or wash out. Breaking Bad is more magnanimous, with the meth=weed (except when it doesn't) caveat. I've known plenty of Badgers who basically grew up from buying ounces for the free eighth to buying kilos, with some shadier poo poo (usually opiates) on the side. They remain small time wastoids, so, yeah, a few years later they aren't going to be different.

The setting also matters. Breaking Bad was originally going to be in the Inland Empire. Anybody will tell you that (West Covina excepted) the IE is where people go to die. There is no real chance for growth or change there because there loving is nothing there. And how much worse is that going to be in a place like ABQ where it isn't even nominally a real city?

That's not true and giving people from those places a voice is good. But also, yeah. Like, what do you think is going to happen to losers over time? The whole point is that they don't change. Jesse trying to connect with his high school friends when his parents took his house is about that. Other people move and change. Jesse and his friends are stuck in a perpetual adolescence because they are losers and addicts.

Xealot
Nov 25, 2002

Showdown in the Galaxy Era.



This seems like a small thing, but also the timeframes are very different in both shows. Mad Men takes place across an entire decade, and an extremely tumultuous one at that. Breaking Bad happens along an extremely compressed timeframe (the first and last episode happen about 2 years apart, Waltís 50th birthday to his 52nd, as I recall.)

BBís supporting characters barely have arcs, sure, but how much did you really expect to change for Badger and Skinny Pete, two broke meth addicts living in a depressed city in NM, over the course of 2 years?

Maxy Boy
Sep 7, 2008


Long shot but does anyone have links to the original Breaking Bad TV IV threads? I've started a rewatch and would love to read some of the insane things goons were posting as the episodes came out to give myself brain damage. Google has failed me.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



Maxy Boy posted:

Long shot but does anyone have links to the original Breaking Bad TV IV threads? I've started a rewatch and would love to read some of the insane things goons were posting as the episodes came out to give myself brain damage. Google has failed me.

Season 1
Season 2
Season 3
Season 4
Season 5 Part 1
Spoiler Thread
Season 5 Part 2
Felina

Archives needed, of course.

Maxy Boy
Sep 7, 2008


Thank you muchly!

Escobarbarian
Jun 18, 2004




Grimey Drawer

Iíve been rewatching Breaking Bad and Gus is a BABY at the end of season 2

Khanstant
Apr 5, 2007

by Azathoth


I started watching this recently after abandoning ship when it was new for Weeds related concerns that are probably unfair.

Near start of season 2 and I forgot how much I hated Walt, how fast he turns into an irredeemable piece of poo poo, and just how loathsome he is. I think I'm further out now than when I originally bailed. On the other side of the coin, Jesse sucks too but I feel bad enough for him and want him to succeed.

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Aye Doc
Jul 19, 2007

my name is john carter




jesse feels like a dog who shits in your shoes because he keeps getting kicked. you see the bad behavior and you understand it completely, and you want it to be different but nothing can be done because the rear end in a top hat kicking the dog cooks really sweet meth

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