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SMT is absolutely a stripped-down version of persona! Especially because it came first, it's still aping classic '80s RPG gameplay whereas newer franchises feel that need to shove all sorts of features, elaborate side quests, relationship Management, etc Both are turn based RPGs where are you customize your party to exploit enemy weaknesses and cover your own. Both feature demons/personas that you can collect infuse, and both even have demon negotiation now. They also share the exact same collection of demons The structure around the dungeon crawling is different sure. So what? Still a turn-based RPG To me, stripped down actually is a positive because there's a lot of fluff in persona. It's just like the new fire emblem, the older ones are stripped down versions of it because the new one has all sorts of stupid social crap that gets in the way of the gameplay I want. So stripped down in terms of fluff which I think is actually a merit rather than a downside. But as far as the raw RPG / dungeon crawling goes, I do enjoy SMT much much more because it just drops you into the thick of it. I wouldn't say the dungeon crawling or combat differs much in either franchises though. Nocturne did have some pretty tough dungeons compared to persona but SMT 4 did away with all of that. I'm there for the scenery and the battles and the music n the pokémon collecting so I personally enjoy this change KingSlime fucked around with this message at 18:16 on Nov 5, 2021 |
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You also would have probably been able to get by with fusing personas that have specific skills meant to counter that last boss, especially if you were in standard difficulty. You can grind but why bother when the game gives you so many tools to customize and adapt ( you may need to grind in hard I certainly did but I'm not very smart) Huh, just like in classic RPG series shin megami tensei. It's almost like combat is straight up identical except for a few minor mechanics! I for one really enjoy persona but SMT is just so cool and edgy, feels like it comes from a different bygone era of anime
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Nov 5, 2021 18:58
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The way reviewers are talking about the overworld in SMTV as this large and involved almost-dungeon has me really excited. My favorite parts of SMT are always when you're roaming around the overworld so a bigger emphasis on that is a win for me It doesn't sound too open world either, seems like it might have a really good balance. I think fully open wouldn't work for what has mostly historically been a grueling linear RPG with random side branches here and there
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Nov 5, 2021 19:02
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:It's the weekend and I'm gonna play the gently caress outta some metroid dread! Was going to get that this paycheck but now I have to buy plane tickets to go home for Xmas  I'm definitely buying SMTV but I don't know if I can justify another full price title after the plane plus having upgraded to a pixel 6. I need to really calm down with the spending. I hate the holidays! Anyways, hoping to play Metroid dread next paycheck sigh. Also, I guess this is now the PYF recent purchase thread, tbh we're probably better off with that
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Tartarus in P3 is insanely bad, I was able to stomach it during a college break for the most part because I played a lot of dumb old RPGs but my patience was really running thin around 70% of the way. Not sure I would have the patience for it now. Overall persona 3 has a pretty cool spooky vibe tho
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Nov 5, 2021 19:22
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Don't go down a rabbit hole w stux it ain't worth it buddy
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And on that note I need to replace my toaster oven. I've been using a air fryer/toaster oven combo for over a year and that thing is surprisingly amazing. Haven't fired up my proper oven even once, I use it for all sorts of stuff including just heating up leftovers ( basic "toast"option seems to do a good job for this) Still I kind of want a roomier one, my current toaster oven is pretty skinny and it can be a pain to make large portions or cook multiple items at once. Cooks way faster than my traditional oven though
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Nov 5, 2021 20:42
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ONE YEAR LATER posted:A microwave can be really versatile if you use it correctly but 99% of people just smash the "add :30 sec" button a few times and nuke poo poo at high temp Some foods heat up really well in the microwave too even if you do nuke them, it also depends on what you're trying to toss in there. But true, you can definitely get really fancy with microwave technique
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Reheating pizza in the oven owns so hard Maybe almost as hard as SMTV is going to own
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I cook full meals in my oven in like 20 minutes, not as fast as a microwave but not a huge difference either They come out so good and fresh too. Cleaning the toaster oven after using it each time isn't great, but it's better to just embrace cleaning everything everyday regularly, weed can make it a very pleasant experience
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Gutcruncher posted:gently caress I forgot SMT was coming so soon. I still have 4 other games I wanna finish up before moving onto it. Life is unfair. I was about to start strange journey last night!! Then I was like wait lmao SMTV is a week awa As far as RPGs go nothing really hits like SMT or even persona in a pinch. Ohh etrian odyssey is also very very good for weirdos who like RPGs that are very mechanics heavy
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Hammer Bro. posted:I may've glossed over when it happened but what's the offense here? Just poorly written with likely-inflammatory intent, something to do with the language itself, or some context I'm missing? A page late but my impression is that it's inflammatory. If you scroll through their post history, it's mostly just replies meant to rile other people up rather than genuinely discuss the product. I usually scroll past anime haters posts because they're so bad Those types of posts are exhausting and not entertaining for anybody other than the silly geese who like to jump in and insult other posters over video game opinions but they're a (very loud) minority. Nobody wants that
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Haha yeah I'll be the first to criticize Nintendo over their dumb decisions but being mad about pokémon being the exact same ROM is just ridiculous. You don't have to buy both of them to play the game. If you do buy both of them, what do you want em to do? Create a separate identical file n add a bunch of junk code so it's not the exact same ROM anymore? Logistically it makes zero sense Oxyclean posted:like, it's also really easy not to buy loot boxes, particularly in games where you can also earn the currency through grinding. and yet it's still something that should gently caress off from gaming. What would your proposed solution to this be? What can they do to make this fair to the consumer or whatever
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If the issue is that making two versions of the same game is predatory, yes, I would agree with that. But that's the entire identity of the franchise and consumers who buy into it are clearly okay with it. This is nothing new or recent for pokémon. Just because you can peek into the code doesn't make this anymore or less egregious in my opinion, still the exact same scenario it has been for 20 years. I do like your idea of hey which version would you like to play? Some compilation games such as the mega Man Battle Network 5 DS game did do exactly just this. But then would you lock the other content away? Because if you don't that would eat into sales that the pokémon franchise operates around. It might not be "fair" to the gamer, but at the corporate level this needs to happen. It's the entire purpose of franchise and they are pretty transparent about how this works/ what you get when you only pay for one version I think the move is to just not play games that do this, but I don't fault pokémon fans for thinking this is a complete non-issue. KingSlime fucked around with this message at 19:21 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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FFXIV Porn posted:why don't they just make one game that has all the mons in it. why do two versions at all Money Multiplayer appeal Literal identity of the franchise Those are just the ones I can come up with from the top of my head Andrast posted:I guess i could agree that pokemon having two versions is probably slightly iffy on a base level but it's so extremely minor that's it's pretty much a non-issue It was awful when mega Man Battle Network decided to do it so I'm inclined to think its just dumb. But I also don't care about having a complete pokédex or anything like that, so I personally am not bothered by Pokemon doing it. the two version thing is specifically designed to trigger people's FOMO which is kind of sketch
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FFXIV Porn posted:p sure that other games with only one version still have multiplayer appeal You're right, but the trading and showing off your pokémon appeal goes down significantly when you both have access to the exact same monsters. Ultimately it's absolutely about money more than anything but it does encourage multiplayer interactions a little bit more largely due to that FOMO and wanting to show off your version specific mons to your friends with the other version That said, we're talking about a franchise that is wildly successful about selling pieces of cardboards with made up fake pretend scarcity so really it just goes back to money
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It sounds like maybe you're not familiar with programming and the simplicity of it is throwing you off If the issue is that they are marketing two versions, that's its own conversation. The way it was implemented though eh it's a non-issue imo It would be nice if for remakes they really just bundled both versions into one but this is Nintendo/Pokemon we're talking about
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Bleck posted:People want to make sure they have enough bootlicking on their resume for when the Zuck Gundams descend on humanity to quell all of the filthy commies Alternatively people arent "defending" anything but rather trying to explain a pretty basic concept to someone who's struggling to understand it and is specifically asking about it Stay weird, switch thread. Really makes these daily meetings a lot more enjoyable
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Achmed Jones posted:for both sides, nobody's "wasting time and energy." they're disagreeing on whether there being separate versions is nickel-and-dime bullshit or a reasonable strategy to encourage trading with little downside Right? That's some nasty gaslighting, posting on a forum isn't that time consuming and discussion is the entire purpose lol
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Bleck posted:"I'm not licking the boot, really, it's just that the boot and my tongue happen to, like, occupy the same space, at this particular time," I don't play Pokemon games I think they suck and haven't given the pokemon company a penny in decades but sure go off with the personal attacks Maybe you need a break from videogames if you're so invested that you feel the need to post like this
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Buddy I'm chilling at meeting while you write stuff like this on public spaces lol. It could be a quote and it went over my head in which case I apologize for not saying source your quotesBleck posted:People want to make sure they have enough bootlicking on their resume for when the Zuck Gundams descend on humanity to quell all of the filthy commies
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So....you don't get it. The point is that your posts are really bad!
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Detective No. 27 posted:
I played my friends Tara's version once and I could not get over the fact that Cobi was speaking after 80 hours of him being a silent protagonist in my file I think the 3DS remake lets you choose between either so further proof that Nintendo stays losing E: yep! Both versions were integrated into the remake. I played it with an English patch but couldn't remember if I had to download a specific version or if it was an all in one, looks like it was the latter. Highly recommended if you have a 3DS! https://dragon-quest.org/wiki/Dragon_Quest_Monsters_2:_Iru_and_Luca%27s_Marvelous_Mysterious_Key KingSlime fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Nov 10, 2021 |
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For sure dude also shin megami tensei V comes out in two days
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I think he's saying he's going to go the chaos route or whatever equivalent there might be in smtv
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No. 1 ANIME HATER posted:What is Super Mario TV Man I have been so hyped for SMTV but this is more or less the reaction I have gotten from a few Gamer friends when I mentioned it at a recent happy hour  A few of them are pretty big fans of persona too
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Yep Zelda oracles are essentially not even the same thing at all, they're just two entirely separate titles with an added scenario if you link them. That owned so hard. You guys think Nintendo or Capcom will ever release two full blown mainline Zelda games at once? What a bad rear end concept especially when you consider that they were actually trying to make THREE games
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Bust Rodd posted:Anyone ever sit down to play switch, play like 15 different games for like 5 mins apiece, and put your switch away like "hell yes that was loving amazing"? I was bouncing back and forth between Dread, Hollow Knight, and Donkey Kong Country 3: Dixie's Double Trouble for like 2 hours last night at work and it was INSANE. I love the OLED screen for Hollow Knight specifically all the blacks POP now! Yes I have aggressively been stuck in this cycle since I got my OLED hopefully SMTV will give me something to focus on It's fun but I feel like I'm just wasting time making zero progress on any games I actually want to play
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Persona is a lot more similar to SMT than people are comfortable admitting for some reason, but if you thought it was tough to get through and was "barely worth it" I have a feeling you're not going to like SMT at all It's a more hardcore pure boiled down to the basics RPG. It's an RPG for people who like RPGs a lot E: what was it about persona that you specifically liked that made you push through the bits you didn't? Might help answer whether you'll like SMT or not KingSlime fucked around with this message at 23:30 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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Spiteski posted:I might have undersold how much I liked it by the end. It was the inital getting into the game that I felt was close to not being worth it, and that was mainly due to the delays between going to the strongholds, all the school stuff basically. Felt (until I was more invested) like a chore before getting to what I liked - the mini puzzles and the combat. The combat itself hit just right - the synergy and combo chaining was drat satisfying to pull off. Oh! Yeah, the combat is very very similar and equally satisfying in my opinion. SMTV is not going to have any of that fluff. It's going to drop you into the world and let you start exploring right away but honestly, it sounds like you might actually enjoy the mechanics You're going to be fighting and recruiting the exact same demons you saw in persona, which is a huge draw for a lot of people. Very similar vibe in many ways, except this is more postapocalyptic and grim but still very full of Japanese flavor/vibe
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What the heck did you get an early delivery? Any stores that are breaking street date? Not like it matters. I have to watch a buddy's band play tonight I guess ugh I want to play so bad though
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Just got back from my friend's show and I can't play my stupid new monster catching RPG Atlus you ASSHOLES why are you doing this to me? Fascist fucks
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yay finally playing SMTV! Hmm...the battles seem to be missing a bit of a visceral "pop" at least in handheld. Sound effects sound kinda meh, hitting weak points doesn't feel "juicy," the extra turn icorns are kinda weird and the overall flow seems a little slow/soft especially compared to SMT4 or punching idiots in the face in Nocturne extremely minor quibbles for what I'm sure is going to be an amazing RPG but yeah kinda underwhelming in that regard. I'll try n see if docked is any better The world itself looks decent but kinda blurry handheld, and there are random fps drops. It's fine for an RPG but I wouldn't say it runs silky smooth
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I'm getting used to the performance and the UI / battle flow in SMT V and it's starting to sink its hooks into me pretty bad. I still think the UI elements are weirdly dazzling / overdone a bit but w/e Just a few hours in and I'm now starting to fuse demons and this is the classic smt I know and love, except with a crazy cool giant overworld. Seeing classic demons in this environment feels really interactive/ lived in. I like it. I wonder if future patches will improve performance though it really feels like the switch is really struggling to run this between sluggish menu and battle/overworld transitions and panning the camera feeling all sorts of jank
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Libluini posted:Huh. Did not notice this at all and I'm playing handheld. Everything runs smooth as butter. Odd. Really? It isn't hitting a steady 30 FPS on my OLED switch in handheld and it looks pretty blurry / ugly compared to docked. I think the size of the world justifies the performance and it's an RPG so it's fine but just try to do any fast movements and move the camera quickly in the overworld. I'm seeing a bit of stutter. Docked is a little bit better n the models are marginally improved. Basically it looks like all the gameplay previews / footage was in docked mode so the handheld graphics threw me off at first. Pop in is also not great, but I think that can't really be helped Also, I'm not sure if the transition when exiting a menu or a battle is deliberately slow and animated to look like it chokes up for just a tiny second, or if that's the game actually loading It feels overall slightly less snappy than nocturne which while that's so much older game, It was also criticized for poor optimization KingSlime fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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Also, maybe I just had unrealistic expectations because this game has been in the works for a really long time and megaten games are not known for graphics Make no mistake. This is still an incredible experience. Just got to the first boss and it's time to restructure my team because I got wiped the gently caress out mmmmm now that's megaten
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Just beat the first SMT boss and got fed a little bit more story gently caress me this game has an incredible atmosphere. Not entirely unlike West Texas coincidentally, plenty of chatter about demons and angels out there as well
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Eh it's really not a big deal it's like if you jumped from playing smash Brothers to this, it's not the same level of fluidity. It doesn't actually actively hurt the experience too much since you don't need that at all for this kind of game. The movement feels a little weird but I think that's somethingn every 3d megaten n persona game has always struggled with. I noticed it with the light platforming elements Still I bet the PS4 and PC release are going to perform amazing relatively speaking KingSlime fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Nov 13, 2021 |
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