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Voodoofly posted:I don’t know. Nothing about her feels scummy so far. I hadn’t read her closely yesterday before merk claimed as I was just starting my read of merk at the time. Also nothing about her posts today pinged me. Or this post about how I didn’t think bif was scum
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Yami Fenrir posted:Are you sure? Look sometime when you aren’t scum we can discuss mafia theory and how lights out mafia is hugely in favor of town. The execution is towns main weapon which is why allowing them more executions for each scum kill is super powerful. The inverse of a scum team with multiple kills. But why would you ever float a stupid idea like that. But thanks again for telling me I don’t know how to think about a game I’ve been playing for twenty years.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:24
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That should say why would I ever float a stupid idea like that.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:25
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Voodoofly posted:You know the exchange that ended with this. Voodoofly posted:Or this post about how I didn’t think bif was scum You still suggested voting out somebody you think was town just to kill 2 people...
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Nov 21, 2021 00:25
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Voodoofly posted:Look sometime when you aren’t scum we can discuss mafia theory and how lights out mafia is hugely in favor of town. The execution is towns main weapon which is why allowing them more executions for each scum kill is super powerful. The inverse of a scum team with multiple kills. Yeah except you didn't believe both of them to be non-town.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:25
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Yami Fenrir posted:You still suggested voting out somebody you think was town just to kill 2 people... Yep. Early in mafia you often don’t know about people and bif was involved in a strange tangle of lies. If I felt confident it would have also eliminated hum I would have seriously considered it. Just as I would seriously consider executing two people im unsure about early in every game of mafia.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:27
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Yami Fenrir posted:I think Voodoo is probably the remaining scum. If that is true I'm not entirely sure who the SK would be. I am a little worried about Deadmeat being completely overlooked, but it could just be Beet and Voodoo. Beet could be SK and more able to sound like a reasonable townie also doing a bit of scumhunting for real sometimes. Voodoo could be more likely scum for actually taking a shot at keeping merk around a while longer. It wasn't a done deal when things had been so dug in on me already.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:28
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Yami Fenrir posted:Yeah except you didn't believe both of them to be non-town. I didn’t? Funny that you asked me point blank if I thought bif was town and I said “I don’t know”.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:28
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Voodoofly posted:I don’t know. Nothing about her feels scummy so far. I hadn’t read her closely yesterday before merk claimed as I was just starting my read of merk at the time. Also nothing about her posts today pinged me. And then you literally said "Nothing about her feels scummy so far" a single sentence afterwards...
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Nov 21, 2021 00:31
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Bifauxnen posted:I am a little worried about Deadmeat being completely overlooked, but it could just be Beet and Voodoo. Beet could be SK and more able to sound like a reasonable townie also doing a bit of scumhunting for real sometimes. Voodoo could be more likely scum for actually taking a shot at keeping merk around a while longer. It wasn't a done deal when things had been so dug in on me already. That's what I'm thinking too. Voodoo's our best shot today, I think, but I'm honestly not sure who the remaining non-town is.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:32
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Bif read yamis posts please. They are cherry-picking and twisting things in the hope people won’t actually read them. Like that exchange was with you, in response to your questions, and you didn’t seem to find it odd then because it was answering a hypothetical you posed. Yes, I absolutely thought merk was town. You all absolutely thought meen was scum. I was wrong. You were wrong. But I’m not the one trying to twist something here. I think yamis vote is a bus. I think scum would be scared once toalp outed merk and want to jump it. Yami is right that they pushed merk hard from that out and I agree with them. Hence it’s a bus not a “you made some weak case or something” Yamis total defense has been to say I can’t think about anything, about how a doctor claim should be considered unquestionable, and now I was trying to get you killed when I thought you were town when both of those statements are false. Yeah, if you think I was trying to save merk as a scum move that’s fair vote me. But otherwise I’ve wanted to vote hum who was lying and yami, and I guess whoever tommu voted day 1 but I can’t really speak to that.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:34
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Yami Fenrir posted:And then you literally said "Nothing about her feels scummy so far" a single sentence afterwards... Yes? That would seem to support “I don’t know” Nothing feels scummy doesn’t mean town. It means nothing feels scummy. Are we really going to get into a semantics battle about how you can be undecided on someone?
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Nov 21, 2021 00:35
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Anyway it occurred to me that I should probably just state why I'm reasonably sure I stopped a kill last night - I docced myself. I got some flavor about my room being trashed which makes me think I was attacked. Since whoever attacked me already knows this they will probably just attack me again so I will probably die tonight anyway. And I don't think we have a way of deducing if it was SK or scum that did it.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:36
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Actually no way trying to turn that post into “I think bif is town but I want to execute them” is a genuine town thought process. ##vote yami I think you are scum but no way you are town with that logic. You are trying to just push anything but you.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:37
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Oh, I thought you hated early hammers? Well, whatever. I think I've said what I want to say anyway. ##vote Voodoo
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Nov 21, 2021 00:39
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What early hammer? It’s a first vote.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:43
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Voodoofly posted:Bif read yamis posts please. They are cherry-picking and twisting things in the hope people won’t actually read them. I am trying to keep my promise to Toal and I am still thinking over how it could maybe be Yami, which is why I'm still not voting yet. Yami Fenrir posted:Anyway it occurred to me that I should probably just state why I'm reasonably sure I stopped a kill last night - I docced myself. One thing that is twigging me a bit is that the double kills vs single kills have been alternating, like maybe an SK Hyde can only kill every other night and that's why Yami's been so unusually cagey about "the Hyde mechanic"
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Nov 21, 2021 00:43
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As I said to deadmeat, it's LYLO yet you're giving non-town the chance to hammer early. If you are, somehow, town.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:44
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If I thought you were town and I thought two independent parties would coordinate and risk not outing each other then maybe? It’s not like sK and scum can talk and rush a hammer.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:45
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Bifauxnen posted:I am trying to keep my promise to Toal and I am still thinking over how it could maybe be Yami, which is why I'm still not voting yet. I am fine with telling you but like I said previously, it will pretty much prevent all chance of successfully doccing someone.
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Nov 21, 2021 00:47
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Anyway, I'm going to sleep soon. ##unvote Let's please not hammer early this time.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:01
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Yami Fenrir posted:I am fine with telling you but like I said previously, it will pretty much prevent all chance of successfully doccing someone. Yeah might as well not say anything, if you laid out all the mechanics and poo poo we either believe you or don't. I'll probably end up voting Voodoo cause whenever I consider you or Beet or Deadmeat, it always seems to come back to Voodoo having to be the other one. Preferring to kill scum over SK to stop a jugg is nice, but getting that bit exactly right is less important than making sure we hit one of the badguys period.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:03
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I want dead meat to post more if possible.
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Nov 21, 2021 01:31
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Yami Fenrir posted:I think Voodoo is probably the remaining scum. If that is true I'm not entirely sure who the SK would be. Honestly that was me brain farting on you saying you're a doctor. But I still don't believe you. No offense.
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Nov 21, 2021 03:12
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hambeet posted:I want dead meat to post more if possible. I want me to post more if possible as well. I also want to get a decent night of sleep that ends with me feeling refreshed and to bag a leprechaun to leads me to his hoard of gold coins. So far the leprechaun seems more likely. I'm waffling between Voodoo and Yami. Hell it might be both.
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Nov 21, 2021 03:15
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Who leads me*
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If it's yami or me then I guess ask away. I have a friend in town tomorrow so probably won't be posting much but can check in to answer anything in the morning before he flies in. There is no way I think yami is being genuine at this point, even down to the whole I can't explain how my doc works response despite calling for a mass claim last game day. I can completely get calling me scum for defending merk, and yeah replacing in is a bitch during the week, especially when I've been at work or asleep during most of the open times so it wasn't until today that I've really had a chance to actually read and respond to things. But that's not what yami is doing. Yami thinks even questioning them is ridiculous for a townie, despite meen doing so yesterday as well. Yami is also riding that doc claim hard despite it being far from something that should ever clear anyone. After that yami starts cherry picking quotes to build something out of nothing, even down to a semantic battle about whether I thought bif was town when it's pretty clear yami asked me that directly and I directly answered back on day 2. Go back and read the case on meen. It's full of "no townie would use this logic" and a bunch of stuff about critical thinking and meen's lack thereof and therefore meen is an SK (and maybe scum). It's the same case that yami is making on me. This is like textbook scum casing, trying to present logical fallacies and contradictions as somehow a blueprint for scum behavior. Which is just not the case. townies are illogical all the time. townies contradict themselves all the time. It's not illogical to question someone or not take someone at face value, and relying on claims and kill flavor as some sort of logical keystone to what a townie would or would not do is almost always a recipe for disaster. It makes it easy to make cases though. Yami has played and modded way more than enough games to know this. Oh holy poo poo I somehow closed this page flipping back to my TD entry but thankfully it reloaded with a reply because I wasn't going to write this again.
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Bifauxnen posted:I am trying to keep my promise to Toal and I am still thinking over how it could maybe be Yami, which is why I'm still not voting yet. honestly I think yami is scum and was bussing merk but the every other night thing is a good point.
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Nov 21, 2021 05:50
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Had today to think, still prolly gonna vote Voodoo, just waiting for Yami to wake up to see if he has anything interesting to add
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Nov 21, 2021 09:56
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Bifauxnen posted:Had today to think, still prolly gonna vote Voodoo, just waiting for Yami to wake up to see if he has anything interesting to add Not really. At this point it's basically just me and Voodoo yelling in circles.
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Nov 21, 2021 11:17
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##vote Voodoo That said I'd like deadmeat to elaborate more on why they don't believe me.
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Nov 21, 2021 11:28
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Just for the record in case I die: My current thought is that voodoo is at the very least non-town. I think Deadmeat makes more sense as scum and Beet makes more sense as scum than SK. So my first thought after flip would be that depending on what Voodoo flips.
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Yami Fenrir posted:Just for the record in case I die: Can you make this a bit more clear as in, if Voodoo flips scum, I think X, if Voodoo flips SK, I think Y? (if Voodoo flips town, welp, guess we just pray at that point) I think I get what you're saying but don't wanna put the words in your mouth.
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Nov 21, 2021 12:08
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Bifauxnen posted:Can you make this a bit more clear as in, if Voodoo flips scum, I think X, if Voodoo flips SK, I think Y? (if Voodoo flips town, welp, guess we just pray at that point) If Voodoo flip Scum, I think Deadmeat is the SK. If Voodoo flips SK, I think Beet is the last Scum.
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Basically because of this:Deadmeat5150 posted:We expect more than shitposting from you? Oh. Deadmeat5150 posted:Scum senses tingling.... Posts like this seemed out-of-character from Deadmeat to me but they were doing stuff like this: Deadmeat5150 posted:
Deadmeat5150 posted:Here I sit Deadmeat5150 posted:This looks like scum-on-scum action to me. Toal are you scum again? I can't really put it into words fully but it doesn't feel like Deadmeat interactions around scumbos to me. It might have just been something I picked up from my mod birds eye view in other games.
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As for beet:Yami Fenrir posted:snip Pretty much the stuff in this case still really. Beet nearly ignored Merk entirely to push Bif as an OMGUS-y vote and even now it feels like an attempt to provide an alternate target to me. Which would make sense as an attempt to save a scumbo.
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Bifauxnen posted:Can you make this a bit more clear as in, if Voodoo flips scum, I think X, if Voodoo flips SK, I think Y? (if Voodoo flips town, welp, guess we just pray at that point) But yeah if Voodoo flips town we're just hosed but today's behavior kind of destroyed any doubt I had.
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If Voodoo flips scum... I'd have to still debate whether Yami could be SK. The doctor claim really gives me pause. Beet makes more sense as scum than SK, but he would be the main other suspect here. I don't think Yami can be scum though, so if Voodoo flips SK I'd look at Beet vs Deadmeat. Prolly Beet. ##vote Voodoo
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Yami Fenrir posted:As for beet: going back is painful, but i will point out i'm pretty sure your timing on that is off. as in i was onto bif before merk was even raised by toal.
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hmmm decent points on deadmeat on other scum. i'm running out of people to vote!!! it's basically bif and voodoo at this stage
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