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The IA flip hugely informs my opinion of Toal's alignment so I don't understand why we would waste energy debating this today Maerlyn. That's part of why I would rather flip IA than Sandwolf. That said, Sand is also a good option for today. I think the 'bad town' thing is just an act.
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IA come to thread and pick a few scums huh?
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Nov 28, 2021 23:23
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Toalpaz posted:IA come to thread and pick a few scums huh? Putting up xmas decorations with kiddos and polishing up a TD entry, but speak of a devil and he'll appear... eventually, maybe... lol I, uh, put a case together on RF. Way I see it, two scum remaining. RF pings me, plastic pings me. I think those two are specifically opposed, but could be a show in thread. Mae's confusion around what toal is saying about me is actually a scratch in the town column for her lol... Mae was pinging me earlier game days, but some of the takes from toals case are just not misinterpretations scum would make I think. I do think the is IA scum or not scum is a great distraction for the game day given that I'm not scum, but I don't think the major proponents of the case are scum. That leaves lurkers and tag a long votes imo.
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Nov 28, 2021 23:31
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Idle Amalgam posted:I feel like plastic might be scum, or toal and plastic are scum and that whole "do my bit to survive" is an overblown reason for voting me when they themselves aren't in danger. What is the name of your role?
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Nov 29, 2021 00:18
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merk posted:What is the name of your role? Voyeur, I've stated this a few times now as well.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:23
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Idle Amalgam posted:Voyeur, I've stated this a few times now as well. https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur The Voyeur wiki entry specifically mentions a Ninja: "A Voyeur would not see a Ninja committing a kill, however, and would receive a "did not see anything" pm in that case." In scum's hands, it's basically an anonymous role cop-like. In town's hands, it can be used to confirm players similar to the Cop that we already had flip but in a weaker sense. From a balancing perspective, I don't really understand why it would exist in this game for town. It has the capacity to have confirmed the Cop, Doctor, Vigilante, and Empowerer with the potential downside that it wouldn't have seen the Ninja perform a kill? Who cares if it can't see a Ninja? However, why would it exist on scum unless the Ninja is truly a red setup herring?
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Nov 29, 2021 00:28
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merk posted:https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Voyeur We never had a cop.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:31
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Oh, it would make sense in this setup as Town if there is a Scum Busdriver actually. That also would explain the existence of Vigilante, Empowerer, Cop, and Doctor all hanging around, no?
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Nov 29, 2021 00:31
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ObamaAkbar. posted:Patient Notes oh lol
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Nov 29, 2021 00:31
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Ok, I've convinced myself not to vote IA here. I am having difficulty figuring out why Voodoo self voted. Voodoo could have claimed something. Scum could have easily dropped votes late to make some late-day push on literally anyone else. There was time I think. It could have been a ploy to get someone unvote based on a self sacrifice town move? He could have been setting up Toal to hammer and gain town cred? Doesn't seem that strong. Scum could have already bussed? Plastic or Maerlyn? RF could be scum, and he thought voting RF while going down would help RF the next day? I just don't understand the self vote. He sacrificed himself for... what?
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Nov 29, 2021 00:36
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I am leaning to Voodoo self voting because it was either him or RF at that point. I haven't read RF deep yet though.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:36
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##vote RF as a placeholder.
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Nov 29, 2021 00:39
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Imo he was setting up for a scum bud to pity unvote him and for himself to quickly unvote Was a few hours to deadline iirc
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Nov 29, 2021 00:52
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Well, 1 hour :/ I dunno
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Nov 29, 2021 00:54
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I don’t get any scum vibes from Toal and I’d like to think I have a pretty good sense of them. RF and Plastic feel like they’re hanging out in the periphery. RF I thought would start posting more but they seem like they’ve dropped off more. I have some suspicions of Somber.
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Nov 29, 2021 01:47
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t get any scum vibes from Toal and I’d like to think I have a pretty good sense of them. It is sunday
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Nov 29, 2021 02:01
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Toalpaz posted:Imo he was setting up for a scum bud to pity unvote him and for himself to quickly unvote ...So is his scumbud there me or Maerlyn because it sure as hell isn't Merk.
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Nov 29, 2021 02:28
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Toalpaz posted:I don't know, isn't voodoo pointing out that Mae's faking reads? Toalpaz posted:##vote rf How does this line of thinking get you to an unpersuasive RF vote?
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Nov 29, 2021 14:33
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##vote RF because:
1 Retro Futurist posted:Sorry I have not been following along very well and have no thoughts at all in my big ol head. I'll vote whoever the vote leader is closer to deadline I guess Retro Futurist posted:Sure ##vote solus -- 2 Retro Futurist posted:I've seen a lot of town RBs lately, I'm not sure I'd buy that so readily Retro Futurist posted:I’d say it proves toal isn’t an SK but that’s about it 3 Retro Futurist posted:I'll hopefully finally have some free time this weekend and then I can solve this game for everyone. For today I will try my best Retro Futurist posted:Looking at the votes on Voodoo and merk's case is bad, but not necessarily scum bad. Plastic's vote, otoh, looks scum bad ##vote plastic
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Nov 29, 2021 14:35
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There's a case to be made on plastic as well. On a reread, there might even be a case on Maerlyn. Voodoo says she's town way too hard shortly after she votes her, but that might be me overreacting to now reading it 6-7 times. My read at the moment on the scum strategy day 2 was to talk negatively about my case from Voodoo and have scum prop up an alternate candidate. Then, scum gave up once the push elsewhere did not work and others started voting RF. That's a long-winded, convoluted explanation for what happened day 2, but it feels correct.
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Nov 29, 2021 14:38
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Sandwolf posted:I don’t get any scum vibes from Toal and I’d like to think I have a pretty good sense of them. Please make a case on someone.
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Nov 29, 2021 14:44
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Oh yeah, excuse me for voting RF the bad way, should of voted RF the good way, like you did. ##vote RF Well done Merk!
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Nov 29, 2021 14:55
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I don't think RF is the worst vote and I'm happy enough to just follow merk and Toal as strong town and town reading players respectively, but honestly RF is a distant third in terms of preference today. It just feels pretty normal that RF hasn't done much scum hunting today. Obviously merk knows voodoo better than I do, but that self vote could have just been throwing in the towel or a failed pity gambit.
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Nov 29, 2021 16:53
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I hope people will post :B
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Nov 29, 2021 17:16
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I'm vanilla town, whatever voodoo got from a self vote it wasn't me
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Nov 29, 2021 17:32
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Eh, I think RF's more bad town than flat out scum, but I'll vote him if we need me to actually get a lunch today. I'd still rather vote IA with how badly he's been pinging me though. His claimed role is almost completely useless, and if he DOES flip town (I severely doubt it), it at least clears Toalpaz.
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Nov 29, 2021 17:41
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Eh, I think RF's more bad town than flat out scum, but I'll vote him if we need me to actually get a lunch today. I'd still rather vote IA with how badly he's been pinging me though. His claimed role is almost completely useless, and if he DOES flip town (I severely doubt it), it at least clears Toalpaz. what about his posts have been pinging you
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Nov 29, 2021 17:47
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I would consider voting elsewhere. The only explanation I can think of for a Bif kill is to help Sandwolf. I would vote Sandwolf. Someone saying his 'lazy town' is within his meta is completely wrong. He is lazy scum. Maerlyn could be a decent vote. Why kill Bif with a kind of bussy looking vote instead of Maerlyn who actually analyzed the Voodoo case and Voodoo called town? Voting plastic seems fine but doesn't feel right. I think voting IA is wrong here without a Tracker/Watcher claim.
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Nov 29, 2021 17:55
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I just don't think it's somb. I might die on that hill.
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Nov 29, 2021 17:55
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merk posted:I would consider voting elsewhere. Bif was ultra hard on IA too,
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Nov 29, 2021 17:57
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merk posted:I would consider voting elsewhere. I’d vote Sandwolf. He was super aggressive on me for a day and then just dropped it, feels a bit forced.
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Somberbrero posted:The IA flip hugely informs my opinion of Toal's alignment so I don't understand why we would waste energy debating this today Maerlyn. That's part of why I would rather flip IA than Sandwolf. That said, Sand is also a good option for today. I think the 'bad town' thing is just an act. I'm sorry I didn't know sharing opinions was a waste of energy. I'm not even pushing that hard for Toal yet, time will tell. I feel less comfortable with an IA vote right now so ##unvote. I want to look at Sand again. RF I don't feel as strongly about and Somber pinging me a little bit too. What is the significance of a watcher claim if IA is a voyeur as he claims? Is both existing farfetched? No one has seemed to indicate they were RBed N2 either so I'm curious about that.
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So it's not quite as bad as I thought, as IA doesn't change his mind on Toalpaz until day 2 after his supposed result. But there are a couple of posts that really bother me.Idle Amalgam posted:I feel like a lot of people are just phoning in votes here, but I also feel like there isn't much I could reasonably do here to prove innocence. I don't even have any good reads of anyone. Where IA has a halfhearted defense of Toal in the same post where he's saying they're scum. and then there's his last post at the end of the day Idle Amalgam posted:I feel like plastic might be scum, or toal and plastic are scum and that whole "do my bit to survive" is an overblown reason for voting me when they themselves aren't in danger. Which feels like a bunch of hemming and hawing in an attempt to set up "well oops, one of them wasn't scum, let's get the other one~" down the line. And most importantly there's something very important missing here. At the time, IA is at -2. Toalpaz is at -5. IA has spent a bunch of time, including this last post saying Toal is scum, and he's on the chopping block now with Toalpaz being the next vote leader. IA DOES NOT VOTE. Hell he hasn't voted anyone since his pity self-vote earlier in the day. And this somehow immediately convinces Toalpaz to change their vote to Solus, and we all know what happened next.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:24
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Mafia edit: He didn't vote anyone for the rest of day 1.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:26
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Maerlyn posted:I'm sorry I didn't know sharing opinions was a waste of energy. I'm not even pushing that hard for Toal yet, time will tell. earlier you were asking why no one would consider toal. I told you why I won't consider toal today. I'm perceiving hostility in this exchange and I'm not entirely sure why? Let me know if I'm missing something. I also don't really understand why it's impossible for watcher and voyeur to exist simultaneously, but regardless we don't have a Watcher claim and so have to play assuming that we don't have one and the scum ninja was a red herring. So far that's our only claimed investigative role and so I see the argument for not voting IA even if I don't really agree with it. Did that make any sense? I feel like I confused myself in explaining it. I sure seem to be pinging people a lot for no one to have made a case. I'll follow Merk's lead on IA, but I want it stated that his content is bad too. ##vote sand
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I really didn't want to out myself early after knee jerk claiming in monster mash and with a dead doc but I am a watcher. N1 I watched IA, no visitors except myself (I think at the time I expected him to be NKed due to his claim if he wasn't scum). N2 I watched Plastic, same result. I actually debated between Bif and merk but thought scum would avoid merk and pick a less likely target so I sort of understood Plastic's "why didn't anyone target merk" post. I thought Bif was phoning it in enough that she'd be safe another day.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:37
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Cool ##vote ia
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Nov 29, 2021 18:40
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yeah, so scum role cop, makes sense with all the rp flippings yeah? ##vote ia
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Somberbrero posted:I don't think RF is the worst vote and I'm happy enough to just follow merk and Toal as strong town and town reading players respectively, but honestly RF is a distant third in terms of preference today. It just feels pretty normal that RF hasn't done much scum hunting today. Obviously merk knows voodoo better than I do, but that self vote could have just been throwing in the towel or a failed pity gambit. Somberbrero posted:earlier you were asking why no one would consider toal. I told you why I won't consider toal today. I'm perceiving hostility in this exchange and I'm not entirely sure why? Let me know if I'm missing something. Somberbrero posted:Cool ##vote ia Somber is just following what the winds of the moment are saying, they don't believe any of this crap, they even shirk the responsibility of a vote on my by saying they'll follow merk and Toal. Not a single real opinion in here except for the setup spec.
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Toalpaz posted:yeah, so scum role cop, makes sense with all the rp flippings yeah? *pr's Role block thing is a huge gambit if IA is scum tho ##unvote
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