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Toalpaz posted:yeah, so scum role cop, makes sense with all the rp flippings yeah? jfc merk is gonna think this is effectively a scumclaim but what the hell is everyone on about IA?? rolecop? roleblocker?
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oh wait, it's overlapping watcher roles, right?
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Nov 29, 2021 17:54
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Merk and IA have both posted about it, the voyeur role is basically a role cop that learns 'this role exists and acted this way'. It's a way to confirm people's claimed actions. IA says he caught a Roleblocker blocking me n1. That's the blocker I'm referring to. Making up a scum role blocker, blocking me n1 is a huge gambit. So IA probably actually found a scum role blocker. Looking at the votes, this means plastic/somber are probably scums.
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Nov 29, 2021 17:59
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Sandwolf posted:Somber is just following what the winds of the moment are saying, they don't believe any of this crap, they even shirk the responsibility of a vote on my by saying they'll follow merk and Toal. Not a single real opinion in here except for the setup spec. That's fair to an extent. I was super wrong yesterday and I don't feel like I have a strong lead today so it just makes sense to play follow the leader at this point. I definitely will take ownership of saying you're scum though, and I have real opinions and engagement. Feels like you should have some opinion on my D2 behavior if you think I'm scum though.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:01
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It's not really that improbable toal. This is a 'mostly vanilla' game so it's fair to just take a chance. Maybe there is a scum roleblocker and they did target you. Idk just flip IA and let's find out.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:04
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##vote IA
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Nov 29, 2021 18:19
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Scum could have decided to target Toal with both a Roleblocker and the Voyeur. I don't see why that is so hard to believe at all.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:21
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Or more likely Toal is IA's scum bro and is trying REALLY hard to protect him.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:27
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Town: Doctor Watcher Vigilante Empowerer Vanilla Vanilla Vanilla Vanilla Vanilla Scum: Ninja Voyeur Roleblocker Third Party: Survivor? That's my current working game setup theory. Seems pretty reasonable, no?
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Nov 29, 2021 18:28
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BTW, I'm claiming Vanilla there I guess.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:28
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The only thing giving me super pause on that working setup theory is that it is very mafia general-like of a setup which is markedly different from Pathogen 1 that had roles like this (from https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3970349&userid=149898):quote:Virus, Pathogen-aligned quote:Protist, Pathogen-aligned
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Nov 29, 2021 18:31
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Or more likely Toal is IA's scum bro and is trying REALLY hard to protect him. *shaking my head* merk posted:Town: 
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Nov 29, 2021 18:32
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I don't get how IA's claim is incompatible with anything that's happened/been claimed?
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Nov 29, 2021 18:34
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Retro Futurist posted:I don't get how IA's claim is incompatible with anything that's happened/been claimed? Mae is suddenly counter claiming me as a watcher after days of prodding for a counter claim, a bit suss, but at this point I'm good with going to sort it all out. I won't be self-voting though. On the off-chance Mae is actually a watcher and not bullshitting us, then I'd say the scum is likely RF, Somber. However, I think I'm going to vote against a very delayed and unbelievable counter. ##vote Mae
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Nov 29, 2021 18:42
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Idle Amalgam posted:Mae is suddenly counter claiming me as a watcher after days of prodding for a counter claim, a bit suss, but at this point I'm good with going to sort it all out. I won't be self-voting though. poo poo, I forgot about plastic there. RF, plastic over Somber IMO.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:44
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again, that's contingent upon Mae actually being a watcher which I don't believe at this point.
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Votecount for Day 3  Idle Amalgam (3): Toalpaz, Somberbrero, PlasticAutomaton (2): Retro Futurist, Sandwolf Maerlyn (1): Toalpaz, Sandwolf (0): merk, Somberbrero (0): Idle Amalgam, Retro Futurist (0): Idle Amalgam, merk, Not Voting (2): Maerlyn, ToalpazWith 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is November 30th, 2021 at 5 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 22 hours, 11 minutes.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:48
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Idle Amalgam posted:again, that's contingent upon Mae actually being a watcher which I don't believe at this point. What does Mae's claim have to do with me?
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Nov 29, 2021 18:53
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Retro Futurist posted:What does Mae's claim have to do with me? I was saying it would make it more likely that you and Plastic were the two remaining scum if Mae was actually a watcher, but I don't think that's the case here. Not saying a watcher and a voyeur are mutually exclusive, but it would be redundant to have both, and I know what I am.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:55
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There's no reason to doubt Mae's claim at this point.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:56
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Idle Amalgam posted:I was saying it would make it more likely that you and Plastic were the two remaining scum if Mae was actually a watcher, but I don't think that's the case here. Not saying a watcher and a voyeur are mutually exclusive, but it would be redundant to have both, and I know what I am. I suppose you could be scum with Mae, actually, but yeah, the scum in front of me is Maerlyn.
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Nov 29, 2021 18:56
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Retro Futurist posted:I don't get how IA's claim is incompatible with anything that's happened/been claimed? It's not. Voodoofly voted Solus to try to help IA on day 1. We only did not eliminate IA because of that IA claim and Solus push. On day 2, we only did not eliminate IA because of IA's claim. Voodoo self voted after not being able to push me or you.
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Nov 29, 2021 19:02
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Idle Amalgam posted:again, that's contingent upon Mae actually being a watcher which I don't believe at this point. I wasn't counter claiming you, there's been spec about our roles co-existing in lieu of a cop, I also provided my reason for my choices but you do you. ##vote Toal for now but I'll reread over lunch. Have to trust my gut that there's something off and a lot points back to Toal for me.
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Nov 29, 2021 19:04
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Meh ##unvote, reread first
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Nov 29, 2021 19:06
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Somberbrero posted:There's no reason to doubt Mae's claim at this point. she waited two days to bring up an unconvincing counterclaim? There’s *no* reason to doubt it?
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Nov 29, 2021 19:08
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sussing out on mae over here. how does she agree with everything i say about ia and still wanna vote me every time she swaps.
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Nov 29, 2021 19:14
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PlasticAutomaton posted:Hey Somber, why were you visiting Bif last night? Maerlyn posted:Yeah no. He was 2nd on Voodoo's vote so unless Plastic did an epic bus he's not scum. You probably are though. mae's first post after plastic's gambit. interested in why she ignored it
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Nov 29, 2021 19:16
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Sandwolf posted:she waited two days to bring up an unconvincing counterclaim? There’s *no* reason to doubt it? Correct.
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Nov 29, 2021 19:20
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##vote ia anyways i'm good with ia rn with all the content we have
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Nov 29, 2021 19:23
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Somberbrero posted:Correct. there is definitely some reason to doubt that, not sure why you're so convinced don't like Plastic pretty much content lurking the day, RF is full lurking (it's monday now Opop!!)
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Nov 29, 2021 19:23
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Sandwolf posted:she waited two days to bring up an unconvincing counterclaim? There’s *no* reason to doubt it? Maerlyn posted:I don't think wanting town to out a power role after losing the doc is pro town behavior, if you think IA is scum despite his claim then vote him right? If there is a town watcher that had a conflicting result from IA I would expect it would come up eventually. I didn't have any conflicting results, the only reason why I claimed is merk's post earlier that he thought the watcher should claim but I thought about it for a bit. Toalpaz posted:It doesn't make any sense for IAs role to exist the way it does in this set up. But it's frustrating me that no one is able to claim tracker or watcher and makes it difficult for me to vote him. So now that I've claimed you're still having difficulty voting him huh?
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Toalpaz posted:mae's first post after plastic's gambit. interested in why she ignored it Somber said he was vanilla and Plastic dropped it? I've taken Toal Gambit 101, I thought Plastic tried to take a page out of your book. Also my watching Plastic wouldn't have helped in that scenario.
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Maerlyn posted:So now that I've claimed you're still having difficulty voting him huh? Mae, if you're town, you have to accept that other town are making opinions not knowing your hidden role. I'm acting in exactly the same way I said I would, without perfect information.
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Sandwolf posted:there is definitely some reason to doubt that, not sure why you're so convinced I'm posting! Besides I already found you all a scum yesterday ain't my fault everyone wants to hem and haw and setup spec stuff
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Retro Futurist posted:I'm posting! Besides I already found you all a scum yesterday ain't my fault everyone wants to hem and haw and setup spec stuff Who are you thinking?
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Maerlyn posted:Who are you thinking? Pardon me a moment AAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH
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Nov 29, 2021 20:14
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I'm negative 1. Kill me or dunk actual scum.
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Retro Futurist posted:Pardon me a moment I will never understand folks in this game being indignant when asked for basic information that should be of no effort to provide
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