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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




Toalpaz posted:

yeah, so scum role cop, makes sense with all the rp flippings yeah?

##vote ia

jfc merk is gonna think this is effectively a scumclaim but what the hell is everyone on about IA?? rolecop? roleblocker?

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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




oh wait, it's overlapping watcher roles, right?

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Merk and IA have both posted about it, the voyeur role is basically a role cop that learns 'this role exists and acted this way'.

It's a way to confirm people's claimed actions. IA says he caught a Roleblocker blocking me n1. That's the blocker I'm referring to. Making up a scum role blocker, blocking me n1 is a huge gambit. So IA probably actually found a scum role blocker. Looking at the votes, this means plastic/somber are probably scums.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Sandwolf posted:

Somber is just following what the winds of the moment are saying, they don't believe any of this crap, they even shirk the responsibility of a vote on my by saying they'll follow merk and Toal. Not a single real opinion in here except for the setup spec.

That's fair to an extent. I was super wrong yesterday and I don't feel like I have a strong lead today so it just makes sense to play follow the leader at this point. I definitely will take ownership of saying you're scum though, and I have real opinions and engagement. Feels like you should have some opinion on my D2 behavior if you think I'm scum though.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


It's not really that improbable toal. This is a 'mostly vanilla' game so it's fair to just take a chance. Maybe there is a scum roleblocker and they did target you. Idk just flip IA and let's find out.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

##vote IA

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Scum could have decided to target Toal with both a Roleblocker and the Voyeur. I don't see why that is so hard to believe at all.

PlasticAutomaton
Nov 12, 2016

Artoria Pendonut




Or more likely Toal is IA's scum bro and is trying REALLY hard to protect him.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Town:
Doctor
Watcher
Vigilante
Empowerer
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla

Scum:
Ninja
Voyeur
Roleblocker

Third Party:
Survivor?

That's my current working game setup theory. Seems pretty reasonable, no?

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

BTW, I'm claiming Vanilla there I guess.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

The only thing giving me super pause on that working setup theory is that it is very mafia general-like of a setup which is markedly different from Pathogen 1 that had roles like this (from https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3970349&userid=149898):

quote:

Virus, Pathogen-aligned

You are a piece of rogue DNA incased in a protein capsid. You multiply by penetrating host cells and hijacking cellular machinery for your own reproduction. Once per night you may use one of the following abilities:

Infect- Choose one player to infect with virions, infected players will begin expressing pathogen antigens and will always investigate as Pathogen-aligned. In addition infected players will be affected by any future viral mutations.


Mutation- Add a second random ability to your virions, each time you mutate the range of possible powers will increase and more deadly abilities will be available. This ability will be immediately applied to previously infected players. Only the latest ability will be active, abilities do not stack.

You win when Pathogens completely control the vote.

quote:

Protist, Pathogen-aligned

You are an intracellular parasite, you have a complex life cycle that involves invading and feeding on many types of body tissues. You have the following ability:

Penetrate- If you perform the factional night kill you will instead invade the target player. While in this state any actions, including the lunch, directed at you will instead hit your host. Your host however may still target you and will begin to present pathogen antigens (they will investigate as Pathogen-aligned). Once successfully inside a host you will begin multiplying, and each successive night will attempt to rupture and kill them, the odds of successfully doing this begin at only 25% but will increase by a further 25% each consecutive night. Rupturing a host will give you one Protist Charge, allowing you to then infect an additional player on your next Penetrate. Charges stack with each kill making you incredibly powerful over time. If one of your hosts dies you will lose one Protist Charge, if you do not have a charge to lose then you will instead die. If at any point you are not infecting the maximum number of hosts, actions targeted at you will still hit you in addition to any hosts you may have.

You win when Pathogens completely control the vote.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


PlasticAutomaton posted:

Or more likely Toal is IA's scum bro and is trying REALLY hard to protect him.

*shaking my head*


merk posted:

Town:
Doctor
Watcher
Vigilante
Empowerer
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla

Scum:
Ninja
Voyeur
Roleblocker

Third Party:
Survivor?

That's my current working game setup theory. Seems pretty reasonable, no?

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

Oh no, not me
We never lost control




I don't get how IA's claim is incompatible with anything that's happened/been claimed?

Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Retro Futurist posted:

I don't get how IA's claim is incompatible with anything that's happened/been claimed?

Mae is suddenly counter claiming me as a watcher after days of prodding for a counter claim, a bit suss, but at this point I'm good with going to sort it all out. I won't be self-voting though.

On the off-chance Mae is actually a watcher and not bullshitting us, then I'd say the scum is likely RF, Somber. However, I think I'm going to vote against a very delayed and unbelievable counter.

##vote Mae

Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Idle Amalgam posted:

Mae is suddenly counter claiming me as a watcher after days of prodding for a counter claim, a bit suss, but at this point I'm good with going to sort it all out. I won't be self-voting though.

On the off-chance Mae is actually a watcher and not bullshitting us, then I'd say the scum is likely RF, Somber. However, I think I'm going to vote against a very delayed and unbelievable counter.

##vote Mae

poo poo, I forgot about plastic there. RF, plastic over Somber IMO.

Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


again, that's contingent upon Mae actually being a watcher which I don't believe at this point.

votefinder
Jul 6, 2010

scoop scoop


Votecount for Day 3

Idle Amalgam (3): Toalpaz, Somberbrero, Toalpaz, Maerlyn, PlasticAutomaton, Maerlyn, Somberbrero, Somberbrero, Toalpaz, Toalpaz, merk
PlasticAutomaton (2): Retro Futurist, Sandwolf
Maerlyn (1): Toalpaz, Toalpaz, Idle Amalgam
Sandwolf (0): merk, merk, Somberbrero, Somberbrero
Somberbrero (0): Idle Amalgam, Idle Amalgam
Retro Futurist (0): Idle Amalgam, merk, merk, merk, Toalpaz, Toalpaz, merk, Idle Amalgam

Not Voting (2): Maerlyn, Toalpaz

With 8 alive, it's 5 votes to execute. The current deadline is November 30th, 2021 at 5 p.m. UTC -- that's in about 22 hours, 11 minutes.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

Oh no, not me
We never lost control




Idle Amalgam posted:

again, that's contingent upon Mae actually being a watcher which I don't believe at this point.

What does Mae's claim have to do with me?

Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Retro Futurist posted:

What does Mae's claim have to do with me?

I was saying it would make it more likely that you and Plastic were the two remaining scum if Mae was actually a watcher, but I don't think that's the case here. Not saying a watcher and a voyeur are mutually exclusive, but it would be redundant to have both, and I know what I am.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


There's no reason to doubt Mae's claim at this point.

Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


Idle Amalgam posted:

I was saying it would make it more likely that you and Plastic were the two remaining scum if Mae was actually a watcher, but I don't think that's the case here. Not saying a watcher and a voyeur are mutually exclusive, but it would be redundant to have both, and I know what I am.

I suppose you could be scum with Mae, actually, but yeah, the scum in front of me is Maerlyn.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Retro Futurist posted:

I don't get how IA's claim is incompatible with anything that's happened/been claimed?

It's not. Voodoofly voted Solus to try to help IA on day 1. We only did not eliminate IA because of that IA claim and Solus push. On day 2, we only did not eliminate IA because of IA's claim. Voodoo self voted after not being able to push me or you.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Idle Amalgam posted:

again, that's contingent upon Mae actually being a watcher which I don't believe at this point.

I wasn't counter claiming you, there's been spec about our roles co-existing in lieu of a cop, I also provided my reason for my choices but you do you.

##vote Toal for now but I'll reread over lunch. Have to trust my gut that there's something off and a lot points back to Toal for me.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Meh ##unvote, reread first

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




Somberbrero posted:

There's no reason to doubt Mae's claim at this point.

she waited two days to bring up an unconvincing counterclaim? There’s *no* reason to doubt it?

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


sussing out on mae over here. how does she agree with everything i say about ia and still wanna vote me every time she swaps.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


PlasticAutomaton posted:

Hey Somber, why were you visiting Bif last night?

Maerlyn posted:

Yeah no. He was 2nd on Voodoo's vote so unless Plastic did an epic bus he's not scum. You probably are though.

mae's first post after plastic's gambit. interested in why she ignored it

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Sandwolf posted:

she waited two days to bring up an unconvincing counterclaim? There’s *no* reason to doubt it?

Correct.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


##vote ia

anyways i'm good with ia rn with all the content we have

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


go scammer go :choco:

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo





there is definitely some reason to doubt that, not sure why you're so convinced

don't like Plastic pretty much content lurking the day, RF is full lurking (it's monday now Opop!!)

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Sandwolf posted:

she waited two days to bring up an unconvincing counterclaim? There’s *no* reason to doubt it?

Maerlyn posted:

I don't think wanting town to out a power role after losing the doc is pro town behavior, if you think IA is scum despite his claim then vote him right? If there is a town watcher that had a conflicting result from IA I would expect it would come up eventually.

I didn't have any conflicting results, the only reason why I claimed is merk's post earlier that he thought the watcher should claim but I thought about it for a bit.

Toalpaz posted:

It doesn't make any sense for IAs role to exist the way it does in this set up. But it's frustrating me that no one is able to claim tracker or watcher and makes it difficult for me to vote him.

So now that I've claimed you're still having difficulty voting him huh?

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Didn't see Toal's vote, so point rescinded.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Toalpaz posted:

mae's first post after plastic's gambit. interested in why she ignored it

Somber said he was vanilla and Plastic dropped it? I've taken Toal Gambit 101, I thought Plastic tried to take a page out of your book. Also my watching Plastic wouldn't have helped in that scenario.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Maerlyn posted:

So now that I've claimed you're still having difficulty voting him huh?

Mae, if you're town, you have to accept that other town are making opinions not knowing your hidden role. I'm acting in exactly the same way I said I would, without perfect information.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

Oh no, not me
We never lost control




Sandwolf posted:

there is definitely some reason to doubt that, not sure why you're so convinced

don't like Plastic pretty much content lurking the day, RF is full lurking (it's monday now Opop!!)

I'm posting! Besides I already found you all a scum yesterday ain't my fault everyone wants to hem and haw and setup spec stuff

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Retro Futurist posted:

I'm posting! Besides I already found you all a scum yesterday ain't my fault everyone wants to hem and haw and setup spec stuff

Who are you thinking?

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

Oh no, not me
We never lost control




Maerlyn posted:

Who are you thinking?

Pardon me a moment

AAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH

Idle Amalgam
Mar 7, 2008

THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021


I'm negative 1. Kill me or dunk actual scum.

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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




Retro Futurist posted:

Pardon me a moment

AAAAUUUUUUGGGGGHHHHHHH

I will never understand folks in this game being indignant when asked for basic information that should be of no effort to provide

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