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Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Why not when scum flips confirm players?

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Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

You think merk as scum would serve voodoo up on a platter?

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Hell yes. And when voodoo went down he probably said 'you shoulda played better' but I'd wait for the flavour claim to make definitive statements.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Iím the nerve cells.

Toal is flailing here. How is that not obvious?

Ok, back to the pacers game Iím at here.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Iíd vote Sandwolf. Thatís better than a no elimination. However, if Iím around at sun up, Iím 99.999999% slamming a Toal vote.

Toal you better come for me now if you want to win.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




merk posted:

Iím the nerve cells.

Toal is flailing here. How is that not obvious?

Ok, back to the pacers game Iím at here.

Honestly I think Iím coming around. Trying to push an elimination on flavor purposes? It is feeling kind of desperate.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

If Iím scum, I hammer RF literally any time today.

Come on, people. Donít fall into this trap. Toal is scum.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Just reads like toal is trying to solve the game v0v maybe I'm fully pocketed, dunno!

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Okay, well it should be fine to vote out Sandwolf then! ##vote Sandwolf

Saves us the trouble of losing randomly next morning.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




Somberbrero posted:

Just reads like toal is trying to solve the game v0v maybe I'm fully pocketed, dunno!

I donít think OA is dumb enough to make the game solvable with flavor. Thatís like modding 101.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Sandwolf posted:

I donít think OA is dumb enough to make the game solvable with flavor. Thatís like modding 101.

But you see!!! merk bussed his scum buddy! And then his next scum buddy!!! And then didnít hammer RF in lylo!

The flavor is clear!

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


Sandwolf posted:

I don’t think OA is dumb enough to make the game solvable with flavor. That’s like modding 101.

I don't think it's solvable like that but what's wrong with Toal trying?

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




Somberbrero posted:

I don't think it's solvable like that but what's wrong with Toal trying?

Leading a lunch on someone based on flavor in the last day or two of the game?

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Toalpaz posted:

yo scum already have their boon

##unvote

the other scum flipped with 'HUNT EPITHELIAL CELLS' and plastic flipped a non gut/non other scum target.

So the last living scum killed their target.

they killed this guy, and not town watcher, because they gained a boon out of it. THey knew plastic was epithelial cells

they knew because they had a ROLE COP

if they had a ROLE COP it cant be me because SCUM BLOCKED ME

How do you know what scum needs unless:

You are scum
You are the rolecop
Again, scum roleblocker does not come out on D2 and say "I blocked this person therefore they are town".

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


I'd be mad if I was scum in this game too somber.


Maerlyn posted:

How do you know what scum needs unless:

You are scum
You are the rolecop
Again, scum roleblocker does not come out on D2 and say "I blocked this person therefore they are town".

Mae, you can see the dead scum? There's a pattern there, in their flips. Also IA lied and tried to use his roleblock to validate his role, catching himself. It was to support his own fake claim.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Toalpaz posted:

IA had a ninja on his team, and even though he had a ninja he claimed voyeur.

That means his only threats are the all but confirmed town watcher or tracker.

Because he's up for elimination d1, he knows his greatest threat is a tracker or cop. In order to maintain his cover of a pro-town visitor role he has to use his Role block. He picks someone unlikely to be protected or watched - enter toalpaz. Now he may be tracked to toalpaz, giving him the benefit of doubt. Because scum team won't wanna role block each other I'm town.

I strongly think that last scum is a flavour cop given that scum are hunting townies. But I don't know for sure.

merk posted:

I guessed role cop in my confessional

merk posted:

##unvote

I need to read in earnest.

Merk believes there is a role cop, but now that it is inconvenient, has stopped thinking like that. I wonder why?


merk posted:

Tough scum game for you.

##vote sandwolf

Game is over. Post the ending please.

Merk, 'kill third paries' Merk, is going to let a big scum read of his, Sandwolf walk today after. Cause he wants to keep him in the game and vote Toal/RF inexplicably.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


And also, sandwolf's cell is hardly a cell in the flavour. It's like an organ made up of my cells.

That's a counter claim.

Mae, you know survivors are bad. So why don't you vote out claimed survivor, so that it's impossible for scum to win tomorrow before the execution.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


merk posted:

Town:
Doctor
Watcher
Vigilante
Empowerer
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla
Vanilla

Scum:
Ninja
Voyeur
Roleblocker

Third Party:
Survivor?

That's my current working game setup theory. Seems pretty reasonable, no?
Merk even comes up with sandwolf's fake claim yesterday

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


RF? Wanna vote out survivor and blow the lid on this thing with me? Pleaaaase?

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




##vote Toalpaz

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


And Merk should be absolutely on board because:

From his perspective he's town
3 confirmed town
1 toaly
1 Sandwolf

He should still win as town voting out Sandwolf tonight and executing me if Sandwolf flips town.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Toalpaz posted:

And Merk should be absolutely on board because:

From his perspective he's town
3 confirmed town
1 toaly
1 Sandwolf

He should still win as town voting out Sandwolf tonight and executing me if Sandwolf flips town.

Survivor.

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

Oh no, not me
We never lost control




Counter claiming me is a slam dunk win so I can't see Somber or merk as scum here. I'd buy scum toal trying a last minute crazy plan but I'd still kind of rather just kill sandwolf

Opopanax
Aug 8, 2007

Oh no, not me
We never lost control




OTOH there's no chance whatsoever that maer isn't the kill tonight and then it's just me, the scum, and one of the other town tomorrow. Not necessarily worth dragging it out

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Retro Futurist posted:

Counter claiming me is a slam dunk win so I can't see Somber or merk as scum here. I'd buy scum toal trying a last minute crazy plan but I'd still kind of rather just kill sandwolf

Merk claimed nerve cells earlier in the thread. :)

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


So he couldn't counter claim you.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


:hmm: I can't find it now? did he ninja it?

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

merk posted:

Iím the nerve cells.

Toal is flailing here. How is that not obvious?

Ok, back to the pacers game Iím at here.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


RF I'm not going to convince any of these posters so if you want sandwolf to go down you're going to have to tie it up and force one to move and avoid no-execute imo.

Somberbrero
Feb 14, 2009

The Pit Awaits


I'm not voting toal, it's on RF to stick the knife in if that's what you want. Sandwolf is the correct vote. Eliminate the survivor, NL tomorrow, let it go to 3 people and hope we can get on the same page then.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

RF, the obvious scum here according to Toal at the start of the day, leaves town Toal at -1. What a time to be alive with this 4d chess scum strat.

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

I sat as RF was at -1, but Iím still scum due to flavor.

RF now watches Toal at -1. Why is he scum now?

Did we fall back to it must be Sandwolf?

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

Didnít Sandwolf leave RF at -1 before too?

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


Mae, please entertain voting the survivor. I'm not flailing here with this, these are things we know:

Roles and Players:

  • b-minus1 - Squamous Epithelial Cells Vanilla Town
  • Bifauxnen (surprise me) - T-Cells Empowerer
  • Idle Amalgam - Salmonella Roleblocker (Kill Gut)
  • Maerlyn (she/her) Something Watcher
  • merk (he/him) Nerve Cell VT claim
  • PlasticAutomaton (He/Him/Whatever) - Alveoli Epithelial Cells Vanilla Town
  • Retro Futurist (He/him/opop) - Urogenital Epithelial VT
  • Sandwolf (He/Him) - Mengine Cells (it's a fibrous brain cushion made up of fibroblasts)
  • SolusLunes - B-Cells Doctor
  • Somberbrero (He/him) - Gut Epithelial VT
  • Squiggly - Macrophages Vigilante
  • Toalpaz (THEY THEM) - Fibroblasts Vanilla Town
  • Voodoofly (He/Him/Whatever) - Scum Chlamydia Ninja (Kill Eurogenital)

So we have all the claims and flips here. What are the key important patterns we notice:





We can see here that scum have these town called Epithelial Cells they have to kill. We can safely assume they're town because Plastic and B- both flipped as Epithelial cells, and these scum are out to kill other ones!

Because we have 4 claimed Epithelial cells, 2 flipped town and 2 flipped as scum targets. It's safe to say that there are four scum to target them.

Wouldn't you say that's the case? I don't need to be scum to make these guesses. In fact, these guesses reveal confirmed town!

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


If you're town mae, and you see that there are 2 scum in the game.

There are 2 confirmed town on one side of the vote, and 2 players that had scum reads on each other (merk had a scum read start of day of sandwolf). Where are the remaining scum then?

They are on your side of the vote.

Toalpaz
Mar 20, 2012

Peace through overwhelming determination


This isn't flavour, this is a mechanic that scum flipped with and the mod is telling us for a reason.

Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




This is a tremendous amount of effort to get a survivor killed. This is why 3P donít work with town FYI!

merk
May 20, 2003

##interact

I would have murdered you but for the Toal flailing.

Maerlyn
Jun 29, 2003

Peering deep into a mirror untrue

Ok so my watch actions:

N1 IA (no visitors) Squiggles dies
N2 Plastic (no visitors) Bif dies
N3 Merk (no visitors) Plastic dies

If scum rolecopped Plastic it would have been on N1... You know, the night IA claimed that he RBed Toal and Toal was town.

So looking back at D2 these posts about Plastic make more sense coming from Voodoo (known scum) and Toal if Toal is the scum rolecop. Toal found their target and killed him N3. If it's not Toal it's merk by process of elimination isn't it? RF and Somber were targeted cells, Sandwolf is 3P if he's being honest. I don't believe merk is scum. I'm not scum.

Toalpaz posted:

Other than plastic do you have reads? I'm kinda null on plastic but mostly because scum or town he's pretty aggro on me every game so it's confusing.

Sometimes when he's scum he isn't aggro, so I lean town here.

Voodoofly posted:

Id rather not vote plastic. If nothing else plastic at least was able to read my posts and see I voted solus after toalp started getting votes. I think their vote on toalp day 1 and me today was wrong but not necessarily scummy.

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Sandwolf
Jan 23, 2007

i'll be harpo




merk posted:

I would have murdered you but for the Toal flailing.

You sure know how to make a lad blush

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