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AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



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Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007




bsd is for people who stopped using linux because it got too popular

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012



macOS is closer to BSD than it is to Linux

carry on then
Jul 10, 2010


why do i get the feeling this is a containment thread

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

The Game is Never Over


I like NetBSD

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

The Game is Never Over


I dunno why I just think it's a cute lil OS

DoomTrainPhD
Feb 12, 2009


carry on then posted:

why do i get the feeling this is a containment thread

BSD Does like jails.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019



carry on then posted:

why do i get the feeling this is a containment thread

it is, because nobody uses BSD at home anymore so thereís not gonna be much traffic.


all my computers are laptops and Linux is just kind of okay on them, stuff like Wi-Fi and Bluetooth and battery life and graphics are too much for me to worry about. Iíll probably use Linux until the day I die and I will forever be resentful of a world that chose wrong.


Maximo Roboto posted:

macOS is closer to BSD than it is to Linux

with each new release it gets harder to say that. I felt like knowing freebsd made it easier to understand OS X in the mid 2000s, now I bet not really.

mawarannahr fucked around with this message at 22:05 on Dec 4, 2021

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018



who cares :justpost: about bsd

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003



someone tell me why I should be using bsd instead of a mainstream os

Silver Alicorn
Mar 30, 2008

The Game is Never Over


I'm not obligated to educate you

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003



mawarannahr posted:

it is, because nobody uses BSD at home anymore

well actually the ps4 and 5...

cowboy beepboop
Feb 24, 2001




akadajet posted:

someone tell me why I should be using bsd instead of a mainstream os

because you want to sell it and not reveal the source

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011




the GPL is a cancer

long live permissive licenses

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life


I think BSD is pretty neat!!

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life


Kazinsal posted:

the GPL is a cancer

long live permissive licenses

Gpl2 is very good actually

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016






I haven't touched netbsd in awhile. Time to put it on a raspberry pi 3 and see how it fares as a local clock server.

gabensraum
Sep 16, 2003


LOAD "NICE!",8,1

posting in the opnsense thread

Salt Fish
Sep 11, 2003



Cybernetic Crumb

I work at a place that only uses RHEL except we have one VM image used to convert one type of RHEL image into a 2nd type of RHEL image. For some reason this one image is BSD and I constantly have to troubleshoot it, and it's very annoying to me!!!!

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016


absolutely lmbo @ the thought of using bsd as a personal operation system

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011


i have a couple of BSD servers and it's nice using something that's not a total clown OS. the docs are good, things are generally easy to make sense of and configure, jails are easy, backups are easy, snapshots and rollbacks are easy...

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003



Kazinsal posted:

the GPL is a cancer

long live permissive licenses

I, too, love licenses that allow multi-billion dollar companies to come in, take a huge piece of software for their own purposes, make piles of money off of the work of others and contribute nothing in the way of code or money back.

the freebsd foundation was in the red last year and this year are about $1 million short of their funding goal of $1250000. note that Sony and Netflix, two of their biggest users, haven't given them a dime. at some point not long ago, one of the lesser bsds (I forget if it was net or open) was so broke that they couldn't even afford to keep the lights on in their office

Raluek
Nov 3, 2006

WUT.


lol, bsd has an office? i thought it was just a collection of weirdos on the internet

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011




The_Franz posted:

I, too, love licenses that allow multi-billion dollar companies to come in, take a huge piece of software for their own purposes, make piles of money off of the work of others and contribute nothing in the way of code or money back.

BSD people don't care about being the god emperor of their software that all derivatives bow down to. the purpose of releasing software under permissive licenses is so people can use it for its benefits to improve their own software. who gives a poo poo if it's Free (tm) or not. write correct software, release it so people can use it, and everyone else's software benefits

if you had to GPL anything that included openssh or libressl or libcrypto or the freebsd kernel we'd be twenty years behind the present on literally every router, switch, and server on the planet

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?


everybody who uses a modern Apple product is using BSD

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

How does that sound?



Illegal Hen

all bs, no d

cum jabbar
Feb 19, 2008


Grimey Drawer

i put freebsd on my laptop, its better than linux

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003



Kazinsal posted:

BSD people don't care about being the god emperor of their software that all derivatives bow down to. the purpose of releasing software under permissive licenses is so people can use it for its benefits to improve their own software. who gives a poo poo if it's Free (tm) or not. write correct software, release it so people can use it, and everyone else's software benefits

if you had to GPL anything that included openssh or libressl or libcrypto or the freebsd kernel we'd be twenty years behind the present on literally every router, switch, and server on the planet

i'm fully in favor of permissive licenses on libraries. it's how you get standards adopted and even people integrating those libraries into closed projects are likely to kick bugfixes back upstream to avoid the hassle of living out of tree. i specifically don't like permissive licenses on large, complete software projects, because it lets others run off with a complete body of work that others put millions of man hours into while giving nothing back (again, sony ships tens of millions of devices running freebsd and their total contribution back to the project amounts to a couple of trivial patches 10 years ago. they could at least kick a few grand a year to the foundation if nothing else. that's petty cash for a company like that)

The_Franz fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Dec 5, 2021

Bored Online
May 25, 2009

We don't need Rome telling us what to do.


big sexy dong

Best Bi Geek Squid
Mar 25, 2016


cum jabbar posted:

i put freebsd on my laptop, its better than linux

best open sores os, fastest snail, etc

strtj
Feb 1, 2010


Sweevo posted:

bsd is for people who stopped using linux because it got too popular

That was literally why I started using NetBSD. That was 15+ years ago at this point, on x86. I kept it up as a desktop system until ~2016.

I really liked that you could compile all your own packages with whatever compiler flags you wanted, and fairly easily do the same with your userland/kernel. I still think pkgsrc is kinda slick (and you can use it on other OSes if you're a glutton for punishment, I still have it running on an OS X 10.5 machine), but NetBSD's desktop video support was absolutely miserable. It was like trying to use Linux from 2004 in 2016, on a 2016 video card. I switched to Gentoo and never looked back.

I also used NetBSD for a little while on some esoteric hardware - SPARCstations and DECstations and old PPC Macs and even a VAX or two, and I guess it was kinda cool that you could do that, but I decided that wasn't hardcore enough for me and switched to running basically all OSes from the original timeframe on my machines. For example I have machines running SunOS 4, Solaris 2.5, Solaris 8, Solaris 9... you get the picture. And I roll all of my own software by hand because I really don't like myself or other people.

Broken Machine
Oct 22, 2010



i like using bsd if it's a realistic choice for the project. i mostly enjoy it because i find it subjectively more fun to work with

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016






strtj posted:

....
I switched to Gentoo and never looked back.
....

I got a sensible chuckle out of this.

Zaxxon
Feb 14, 2004

Wir Tanzen Mekanik

yall can BSDeeznuts

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012



What's the Mint or elementary OS of BSD? GhostBSD?

Cybernetic Vermin
Apr 18, 2005



Maximo Roboto posted:

What's the Mint or elementary OS of BSD? GhostBSD?

i presume what you mean to ask "what is an absolute garbage way of using these systems?", and on the bsd side it turns out the official distributions have this pretty well covered!

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011




GhostBSD is FreeBSD with mate and a nicer installer and all the focus being put on x86-64 and I think aarch64 so itís probably going to be the friendliest of the BSDs

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007




making bsd easier to use is the surest way to drive away all the people who like bsd

sb hermit
Dec 13, 2016






sb hermit posted:

I haven't touched netbsd in awhile. Time to put it on a raspberry pi 3 and see how it fares as a local clock server.

Installed NetBSD on a spare rpi3. It seems nice, except there's a lot of command line stuff that isn't quite the same as Raspbian. I haven't yet attempted compilation of any programs, which I expect to be real annoying.

Now I just have to solder a real-time clock onto this baby and print a new case and see if the kernel will recognize the rtc chip on the i2c bus.

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Zlodo
Nov 24, 2006



I used freebsd as my daily driver for a couple years after giving up on the amiga. eventually i came to my senses and I switched to gentoo

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