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AlbertFlasher
Feb 14, 2006

Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band
I installed sway and wayland today. I have to say it's a lot better than x11. I was getting a bunch of screen tearing when scrolling firefox with x11 and i3 but that seems all fixed with wayland. So that's pretty cool.

Sway is nice. I was able to copy most of the i3 settings over (not that I had a bunch anyway).

The only probably I really had with wayland was setting up the XDG_RUNTIME_DIR. I had to search around the internet to find some answers on why it wasn't working. The freebsd handbook was a bit misleading with the steps that were needed.

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Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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XDG path variables are annoying as poo poo and i have no idea why they don't stay set, even if you put them in your rc or whatever

nudgenudgetilt
Mar 18, 2003

anyone else lowercase all their xdg dirs? thats probably the second thing i do on a box

$ cat .config/user-dirs.dirs
XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/desktop"
XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/downloads"
XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/templates"
XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="$HOME/public"
XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/documents"
XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/music"
XDG_PICTURES_DIR="$HOME/pictures"
XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/videos"

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life

nudgenudgetilt posted:

anyone else lowercase all their xdg dirs? thats probably the second thing i do on a box

$ cat .config/user-dirs.dirs
XDG_DESKTOP_DIR="$HOME/desktop"
XDG_DOWNLOAD_DIR="$HOME/downloads"
XDG_TEMPLATES_DIR="$HOME/templates"
XDG_PUBLICSHARE_DIR="$HOME/public"
XDG_DOCUMENTS_DIR="$HOME/documents"
XDG_MUSIC_DIR="$HOME/music"
XDG_PICTURES_DIR="$HOME/pictures"
XDG_VIDEOS_DIR="$HOME/videos"

no but i should, i hate that windows poo poo

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Mr. Crow posted:

no but i should, i hate that windows poo poo
:same:

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?
what we really need is an open source reimplementation of NeWS but with a compositor

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Mr. Crow posted:

no but i should, i hate that windows poo poo

LOL if you think using title case in the filesystem is somehow Windows poo poo

its contemporaneous with Microsoft buying QDOS to license to IBM for use with the PC

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Hed
Mar 31, 2004

Fun Shoe
13.2 RELEASE is out.

I think openBSD also released something in the past few days. Berkeley Spring has sprung!

Sweevo
Nov 8, 2007

i sometimes throw cables away

i mean straight into the bin without spending 10+ years in the box of might-come-in-handy-someday first

im a fucking monster

13.2 is also the average number of freebsd users per year

AlbertFlasher
Feb 14, 2006

Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

Hed posted:

13.2 RELEASE is out.

I think openBSD also released something in the past few days. Berkeley Spring has sprung!

nice they improved intel wireless drivers but still only up to 802.11g :(

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



AlbertFlasher posted:

nice they improved intel wireless drivers but still only up to 802.11g :(
iwl(4) is just the device driver for a new generation of hardware
802.11ac/az is done via iflib/drvapi (or something equivalent to it), which means that it applies to all wireless nics capable of associating the appropriate media

this avoids a bunch of boiler plate code and makes it easier to make changes in the future without needing a bunch of mechanical commits.

AlbertFlasher
Feb 14, 2006

Hulk Hogan and the Wrestling Boot Band

BlankSystemDaemon posted:

iwl(4) is just the device driver for a new generation of hardware
802.11ac/az is done via iflib/drvapi (or something equivalent to it), which means that it applies to all wireless nics capable of associating the appropriate media

this avoids a bunch of boiler plate code and makes it easier to make changes in the future without needing a bunch of mechanical commits.

Ya but they are still saying that iwlwifi:

quote:

While iwlwifi supports all 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax the compatibility code
currently only supports 802.11 a/b/g modes. Support for 802.11 n/ac is
to come. 802.11ax and 6Ghz support are planned.

I am interpreting that to mean that you still can't get n or ac with intel wifi. Am I wrong?

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



AlbertFlasher posted:

Ya but they are still saying that iwlwifi:

I am interpreting that to mean that you still can't get n or ac with intel wifi. Am I wrong?
If that's what the manual page says, it's probably correct - although I'm a bit confused why 802.11n isn't supported while 802.11a is, since both are available for a bunch of other wireless cards, and use the same ISM bands and regdomain rules, iirc.

My T480s came with the iwm(4) driver which is supposed to be 802.11n+ac, though my access points only dos 802.11n - so I can try giving it a whirl next time I got it disconnected from its dock (as it's configured to disable the radio whenever it's docked) - it has a similar note about only being able to use 802.11b/g.

Shaggar
Apr 26, 2006
i can get all kinds of wifi on my intel wifi cards, but i also use windows instead of a linux so thats probably why

nudgenudgetilt
Mar 18, 2003

Shaggar posted:

i can get all kinds of wifi on my intel wifi cards, but i also use windows instead of a linux so thats probably why

so you're posting here because windows uses parts of the bsd networking stack?

Beeftweeter
Jun 28, 2005

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if you use intel's drivers on linux they support everything you'd expect. i assume the problem on bsd is actually the firmware

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

lol u said firm

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Nov 2, 2013

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nudgenudgetilt posted:

so you're posting here because windows uses parts of the bsd networking stack?

eschaton
Mar 7, 2007

Don't you just hate when you wind up in a store with people who are in a socioeconomic class that is pretty obviously about two levels lower than your own?

Hed posted:

13.2 RELEASE is out.

I think openBSD also released something in the past few days. Berkeley Spring has sprung!

the arm64 build works great virtualized on macOS Ventura via UTM, 100% plug and play from the ISO

echinopsis
Apr 13, 2004

I always preferred the bsd philosophy

freebsd served me well

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



echinopsis posted:

lol u said firm

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Has anyone else tried BSD on a Lenovo IdeaPad Edge series laptop? I have an Edge 15 with a cracked screen that I use as a guinea pig and install random poo poo on, I tried FreeBSD and it seems to work fine except for the fact that it constantly shits ACPI errors all over the loving screen I can hardly even use vi because the screen just fills up with garbage :psyduck:

googling the problem led to a mailing list discussion where people recommended adding debug.acpi.disabled="1" to either /boot/loader.conf or boot/defaults/loader.conf, I added it to both and there was no effect

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

lol

Kazinsal
Dec 13, 2011


in traditional bsd spirit i'm gonna ask you to post what the acpi errors are and if you refuse request that you go find yourself a copy of windows me because it's more your speed

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Who needs logs anyway? What've they ever done for us!

Also, regarding wifi - until the LKPI gets implemented (which allows FreeBSD to load Linux wireless drivers, not unlike how ndis(4) used to work), there's the option of using net/wifibox.

Tankakern
Jul 25, 2007

or just install linux and get a working system right out of the box

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


Kazinsal posted:

in traditional bsd spirit i'm gonna ask you to post what the acpi errors are and if you refuse request that you go find yourself a copy of windows me because it's more your speed



as for windows me goes p sure that would just have a billion errors and not show any of them to you

E: of course if I were using my thinkpad for this and not this consumer grade junk I probably wouldn't have this problem

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 14:36 on Apr 13, 2023

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Since it's complaining about something not being found, there's a possibility you're simply testing on an old version (and you didn't mention which one you tested on).
14-CURRENT has the next-newest ACPICA from what I can spot, and the newest one was from the end of March.

If you switch to another vty, the console spam shouldn't affect you since ttyv0 is the system console like it is on every other Unix-like.

It might also be a good idea to use sysutils/acpica-tools to extract the ACPI tables, so you can attach them in a good report - because SA/IRC/Forums/et cetera ad nauseum isn't bug tracker.

BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 14:45 on Apr 13, 2023

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life
Who submits bug reports in 2023 lol

BlankSystemDaemon
Mar 13, 2009



Mr. Crow posted:

Who submits bug reports in 2023 lol
What's the alternative?

Bloody
Mar 3, 2013

submit a pull request

nudgenudgetilt
Mar 18, 2003

i usually just do nothing and wait until someone else fixes it. if that doesn't happen i make an angry post about how the os is unfit for anything

Mr. Crow
May 22, 2008

Snap City mayor for life
Found a critical bug in gitlab lemme just hop over to the issue tracker and



:stare:

Wild EEPROM
Jul 29, 2011


oh, my, god. Becky, look at her bitrate.
i dont because i expect nothing good to ever happen again

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


BlankSystemDaemon posted:

Since it's complaining about something not being found, there's a possibility you're simply testing on an old version (and you didn't mention which one you tested on).
14-CURRENT has the next-newest ACPICA from what I can spot, and the newest one was from the end of March.

If you switch to another vty, the console spam shouldn't affect you since ttyv0 is the system console like it is on every other Unix-like.

It might also be a good idea to use sysutils/acpica-tools to extract the ACPI tables, so you can attach them in a good report - because SA/IRC/Forums/et cetera ad nauseum isn't bug tracker.

I installed 13.2 since it was advertised as the latest release build, I'll try a live USB of 14.0 and see if it gives the errors before trying sysutils.

E: got it connected to the internet, the port for sysutils/acpica-tools didn't compile so I read the manual and it suggested updating the ports tree with git, but first installing git, and it gave the option of installing through the ports tree or the package manager so I decided to install it as a port and

WHAT DO YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TO COMPILE A COMPLETE SET OF GNU DEV TOOLS AND X11/GTK2/3 TOO THIS WILL TAKE ALL loving NIGHT :crackping:

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Apr 14, 2023

Woolie Wool
Jun 2, 2006


update: pretty sure the 3 billion dependencies the ports version of git installed gave me broken versions of a bunch of libraries needed by DEs (none of them would load, they would all report problems with symbols in various libraries). I reinstalled with the 14.0-CURRENT beta. I have not yet fixed the ACPI errors but I have managed to get Xfce and SDDM working so I don't have to look at them anymore. Is acpidump the right binary from sysutils/acpica-tools? I used it to create a .gz file that I might use in my bug report?

also: xfce4-panel barfs whenever I close a window but that's apparently a known 14.0-CURRENT issue and you have to disable window grouping

Woolie Wool fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Apr 14, 2023

Rooney McNibnug
Sep 2, 2008

"Life always hopes. When a definite object cannot be outlined, the indomitable spirit of hope still impels the living mass to move toward something--something that shall somehow be better."
OpenBSD 7.3 installed on an old T420 to use as a "focus" device for writing and coding - forgot how smooth the install process is. Nice that they have FDE setup built into that flow now as well.

psiox
Oct 15, 2001

Babylon 5 Street Team

nudgenudgetilt posted:

i usually just do nothing and wait until someone else fixes it. if that doesn't happen i make an angry post about how the os is unfit for anything

:emptyquote:

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Mar 25, 2016

Rooney McNibnug posted:

OpenBSD 7.3 installed on an old T420 to use as a "focus" device for writing and coding - forgot how smooth the install process is. Nice that they have FDE setup built into that flow now as well.

its a good choice for that you wont have any distractions because you cant do anything with bsd :laugh:

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