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i like freebsd its good and has good documentation and searching for an answer doesnt just bring up 10 years of posts on forums of people telling you that its been answered before search it up, and when you finally find the answer its “nvm found it” or a broken geocities link
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the BSDs have wonderfully non-poo poo manpages. especially netbsd and openbsd. not sure if there's a driver for something? just check the manpage for the bus it uses, eg. iic(4) or pci(4) and you get a list of all the drivers available for devices on that type of bus.
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I wish NetBSD had Motorola 88000 support OpenBSD dropped mvme88k as of 5.6 and because OpenBSD has immature modularity it’s a pain to port forward each port seems to have its own set of drivers so when I ported mvme88k support from 5.5 to 5.6, I had to look at the other drivers for what mods to make—not in the sense of “this is the change to the driver model that needs to be propagate” but in the sense of “the AMD LANCE driver on mvme68k had this change, so apply the diff to the mvme88k version” NetBSD is doing the right thing here, I just wish they’d take the next step and produce machine-neutral kernels and leverage a booter+ramdisk model where only the booter and loadable driver modules are different (though that’s not fully achievable for systems with custom MMUs, like a lot of 68000/010/020 workstations—but even there, only the pmap code has to differ, so all the rest of the code only needs to be built once)
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can mods change the title to 5 goons who still use bsd, tia
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having it installed on a spare computer you use once every 8 months doesn't count
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actually bsd is actually a whole family of operating systems
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big slobbery dog
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Maximo Roboto posted:macOS is closer to BSD than it is to Linux can people stop posting this, it’s been a nerd ACTUALLY for like 20 years now
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eschaton posted:I wish NetBSD had Motorola 88000 support What on earth do you want to realistically do on a modern NetBSD that you couldn't do on Motorola SVR4? Or even on an older OpenBSD?
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Gentle Autist posted:can people stop posting this, it’s been a nerd ACTUALLY for like 20 years now The real nerd actually is to say it's not BSD it's Mach
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~ pufferfish gang ~ https://twitter.com/RooneyMcNibNug/status/1330552382472785922
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unix nerds literally want only one thing and its loving disgustingeschaton posted:I wish NetBSD had Motorola 88000 support
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my phone automatically corrects bsd to bad. makes you think
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Zlodo posted:I used freebsd as my daily driver for a couple years after giving up on the amiga. eventually i came to my senses and I switched to gentoo when did you give up on amiga this is important, it will go on your posting license
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bsd got zfs use the bsd for the zfs
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AnimeIsTrash posted:can mods change the title to 5 goons who still use bsd, tia Make that 6. I've been using FreeBSD on my home file server for about 12 years now. I guess I daily drive it in the sense that I use it all the time for backups and sharing files between various computers and phones. It's easy to set up and update. The documentation is great. ZFS works right out of the box. It is pretty boring over all, but I don't really want excitement with my file server, so it is perfect in that regard.
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does your fileserver have zstd compression enabled? you can change compression format in-place on a running system, it's great
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cum jabbar posted:does your fileserver have zstd compression enabled? you can change compression format in-place on a running system, it's great Some of my file sets have compression, but it is on the default lz4 iirc. For ones that hold already compressed files like movies and music, I turn compression off.
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Beowulfs_Ghost posted:Some of my file sets have compression, but it is on the default lz4 iirc. edit: the same is true for zstd BlankSystemDaemon fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:lz4 features an early-abort that stops trying to compress something if it can't achieve a certain ratio You guys are tempting me to actually log in the my file server and do more than just freebsd-update and zpool scrub. I did log in a bit ago to set up a vm to run a plan9 server for fun. Used bhyve and had it pass through a port on a 4 port intel nic. Even set up an rc script so it will start at boot, or I can just 'service plan9vm start/stop' if I need to. Took me maybe an hour, with half that being plan 9 specific stuff. FreeBSD having a one-stop location for all the manuals and guides really makes computer janitoring such a breeze compared to everything I have to look up for my Linux machines.
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Silver Alicorn posted:this thread is making me want to install netbsd on something join the club
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get an old SPARCstation and install SunOS and Solaris and OPENSTEP and NetBSD the canonical Best SPARCstations for this are the 10 and 20 since they supports multiple CPUs and up to 512 MB of RAM unfortunately prices on 20s are insane right now, there are a couple of relatively inexpensive 10s right now (just be sure to also get an SS10 sound box)
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or you know just install NetBSD in a VM
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what makes people choose netbsd or openbsd instead of freebsd?
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hello fellow bsd users
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cum jabbar posted:what makes people choose netbsd or openbsd instead of freebsd? netbsd has the whole os under one source tree
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idk what the practical significance of that is
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cum jabbar posted:idk what the practical significance of that is having the source of your operating system arranged in an auspicious manner can maximize your qi
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i run freebsd for my irc machine because i worked for a bsd-based company at the time it doesnt need to update much so vov
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a canonical list of berkeleys software distribution freebsd: biggest set of features, most likely to be usable as a desktop daily driver assuming you don't do video games, but largest openbsd: most secure and unlike lunix sound works out of the box, but older ports go away quickly and the devs have no social skills netbsd: probably the least "modern" of a standard OS distribution when it comes to the BSDs, if you can think of an architecture, it'll run on it minor players: dragonfly bsd: forked off of freebsd 20 years ago because people disagreed on how to implement symmetric multiprocessing and while the dragonfly people ended up being vaguely right it didn't matter and freebsd is still the biggest bsd ghostbsd: freebsd with mate and a gtk-based UX that doesn't suck out of the box, making it the mint of the bsd world, but it only supports x86-64 so you can't run it on your '030 midnightbsd: forked off of freebsd 15 years ago because someone wanted to see the year of BSD on the desktop before the year of linux on the desktop, but unfortunately also had a hard-on for gnustep
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eschaton posted:get an old SPARCstation and install SunOS and Solaris and OPENSTEP and NetBSD Prices are insane probably for exactly the reason you mention - these are the only machines that will run all four OSes. And if you have money to burn, you can get some reasonably fast dual MBUS modules for the 10 and 20. See http://mbus.sunhelp.org/modules/index.htm Oh, and watch out for the feet on the SS10 sound boxes, they tend to turn to goop. If you just want a SPARC to run NetBSD, spend $100 to get an Ultra 10 and then pat yourself on the back for running something so slow. Seriously, why people think running NetBSD on hardware other than x86/x64 is somehow going to be a magical experience is beyond me. The whole reason that I switched to running original OSes is that it isn't. If you just want to find out what NetBSD/OpenBSD/FreeBSD are about, go find a giveaway PC and have fun.
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eschaton posted:get an old SPARCstation and install SunOS and Solaris and OPENSTEP and NetBSD  CMYK BLYAT! posted:i run freebsd for my irc machine because i worked for a bsd-based company at the time
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strtj posted:Prices are insane probably for exactly the reason you mention - these are the only machines that will run all four OSes. And if you have money to burn, you can get some reasonably fast dual MBUS modules for the 10 and 20. See http://mbus.sunhelp.org/modules/index.htm Oh, and watch out for the feet on the SS10 sound boxes, they tend to turn to goop. netbsd on arm is nice, and it's not like you can run much anything else except raspbian or pidora
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there are only two contemporary architectures right now. x86-64 and aarch64. everything else is either legacy, not yet mass production, gimmicky, or vintage risc-v is slowly moving its way up out of "not yet mass production" but no one's making anything modern in anything other than those three. MIPS only still really exists because of legacy cheap network hardware and slightly less legacy cheap network hardware that uses octeon cores (including a bunch of mikrotik, ubiquiti, and lower end juniper gear). everything else is legacy or obsolete. as previously mentioned sparc is basically dead apart from intentionally playing with vintage gear, powerpc is dead apart from obsolete gear, and everything else is listed by netbsd (the "it runs on anything" unix) as an "organic" tier port at best half the links on the mac68k port pages don't even work and that's arguably one of the most easily-accessible non-x86 vintage computing platforms. it's just not worth putting major volunteer effort into. I'd be amazed if all of the 68k-based platforms get more than five man-hours a month of effort put into them
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BobHoward posted:when did you give up on amiga 2001 it was after i managed to lose all my data because I made a memory pointer bug that managed to gently caress up the filesystem since Amiga os had zero process or even kernel isolation and everything was sharing the same address space I did recover some of it with a recovery tool i built myself (I had to since I was using some nonstandard freeware filesystem like PFS or whatever and no good recovery tools existed) I then decided that this was too much of a clown computer even for me
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BlankSystemDaemon posted:how you can have preemptive multitasking without privilege separation is a mystery to me there was no MMU on the first few amiga models and even though they could probably have done something in hardware to isolate some memory for exclusive usage of the kernel in supervisor mode it probably would have been too expensive the amiga was a lot cheaper than the unix workstations of the times
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