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bobmarleysghost posted:he's right though, your taste isn't refined, yet. maybe in the future you will dig yourself out of this male gaze hole you find yourself in. this is bullshit lol, almost half the pictures I posted don’t even have people in them but regardless, I am happy with what I like, and the people whose opinion matter to me seem to feel the same way. a bunch of weird nerds from the internet don’t like my photos and think my taste is poo poo, oh well. this is a lovely analogy but it’ll have to do : it’s like I like/make pop music, and i’m getting dragged by a bunch of prog rock nerds
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Megabound posted:Being elitist about sensor size is the dumbest poo poo known to man don't even talk to me unless you're carrying around at least a 4x5 as your point and shoot 
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echinopsis posted:here’s the thing though, the other picture of the dog is the one the owner enjoys the most and is the one that is more memorable. idk that's kind of different like here, for example  is it technically a great photo? lmao no is it adorable as all hell that eggy loves being stuffed into a tote bag? yes. imo that makes it a good one also that other photo is decent too but you can't really tell the dog's personality from it. that's not your fault, dogs are surprisingly difficult subjects
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echinopsis posted:this is bullshit lol, almost half the pictures I posted don’t even have people in them Personally, I think that interrogating what you like, why you like it, and the influences that create the things you like can lead you to a deeper understanding, and ultimately a deeper enjoyment. Pop music and prog rock certainly each have their place. I think the analogy doesn't quite work, because the issue with the horny photos you linked is an issue of content, rather than genre. I'd say that the hornyness would more come out in lyrics, rather than in genre. To stretch the analogy I suppose we could say that the genre of the photos is portraiture, and the content is horny. Does that mean that all portraiture is bad? Of course not.
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Beeftweeter posted:lol This is a very good photo in many ways
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Beeftweeter posted:lol i would like to take photos like this
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lol using eggy is kind of cheating really
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echinopsis posted:but regardless, I am happy with what I like, and the people whose opinion matter to me seem to feel the same way. Strange that the Venn diagram of people whose opinion you care about and people who like your photos is a perfect circle.
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Awkward Davies posted:Personally, I think that interrogating what you like, why you like it, and the influences that create the things you like can lead you to a deeper understanding, and ultimately a deeper enjoyment. i don’t disagree, i’ve certainly grown and evolved a lot in the last year. a part of that is also growing a wide range of influences and being open minded to what kinds of things I enjoy although apparently it’s all poo poo quote:Pop music and prog rock certainly each have their place. I think the analogy doesn't quite work, because the issue with the horny photos you linked is an issue of content, rather than genre. I'd say that the hornyness would more come out in lyrics, rather than in genre. To stretch the analogy I suppose we could say that the genre of the photos is portraiture, and the content is horny. Does that mean that all portraiture is bad? Of course not. as we’ve gone over earlier though, it seems we all have a different idea of horny, or erotic, or glamour or whatever. there’s definitely an undercurrent of opinion that not only do I have horny tastes with my instagram inspo (I still disagree) but also that it’s a bad thing
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the criticism of your curation felt more like "of course you like this" rather than saying horny itself was bad fwiw
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echinopsis posted:i don’t disagree, i’ve certainly grown and evolved a lot in the last year. a part of that is also growing a wide range of influences and being open minded to what kinds of things I enjoy I don't think horny is bad. Take Ren Hang (RIP). I love his work. Is it horny? Absolutely. But it's also interesting and unique.
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Megabound posted:Strange that the Venn diagram of people whose opinion you care about and people who like your photos is a perfect circle. it’s more that the people whose opinion I care about are people in the local scene and people who I am actually taking photos of and conversely, if I’ve got people telling me my taste sucks and my photos are poo poo, but they themselves do photography work that I find disinteresting, well, I just don’t know what to do with that information i’ve got pretty thin skin, and don’t need extra reasons to doubt myself and avoid taking photos, so I am careful to share my work I mean, I shared like 40 photos of work I aspire to be able to achieve, and I don’t think anyone said anything positive about any of them at all. which is fine, of course no one has to or anything, but it certainly highlights the disparity between what I think is good and what others do, and so then it leaves me wondering about how much weight do I give to the opinion of people who don’t like any thing that I do
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i think the thing that colors this conversation is that nearly all heterosexual males have shared your taste at some point in their lives. part of having such viewpoints in our pasts is that we definitionally view them as immature. you can say all you want about tastes' changing as we age not really getting _better_ but merely _different_, but at the end of the day if i didn't think my taste in my late 30s is better than it was in my late teens, i would still like the same things. indeed, with a lot of music, i still _do_ like what i listened to twenty years ago. i even like some of the same photos. but there's a certain type of portraiture that i generally roll my eyes at these days even if it's, shall we say, pleasant to look at. realistically, if i or beef or whoever posted any one of those photos, nobody would throw shade. it's only because of your inability to stop being horny - and your requirement to post horny a hundred times and not just take your lumps and move on - that people react. we've seen from past behavior that if we don't call you out for hornyposting, you just keep going and going and that's what people are really trying to avoid. anyways, if it really bothers you all you have to do is not post pictures of birds (british slang) but posting birds (standard usage) owns
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bellows lugosi posted:the criticism of your curation felt more like "of course you like this" rather than saying horny itself was bad fwiw well yeah seems like people were blinded by horniness initially, ignored every photo that wasn’t horny, and then told me they were all poo poo which is wrong because most of them are sweet photos I would be proud of doing and lmao i’m glad I didn’t share the ones I think are horny
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Achmed Jones posted:i think the thing that colors this conversation is that nearly all heterosexual males have shared your taste at some point in their lives. part of having such viewpoints in our pasts is that we definitionally view them as immature. i think it's not even that heterosexual males have shared the taste, but that it's fundamentally rooted in a nostalgia for a perceived past. swinging on rope swings, tradwife dress, hazy sunsets, etc., it's all calling back to the past in one way or another, and for me, personally, i've started to think that idealizing that rosy version of the past (especially in a white heteronormative sense) is a privilege itself. it's the taste of people who yearn for the past where other people were oppressed, even if that's not what they're thinking of. i've always struggled to put it into effective words but the images feel very conservative, they're rooted in the past, and they're not challenging me or anyone to move into the future. of course there's always joy in being nostalgic so it's fine to like them and want to take them. but it's also not unreasonable for people to look at them and not like what they represent
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echinopsis posted:it’s more that the people whose opinion I care about are people in the local scene and people who I am actually taking photos of I went back and looked at the inspo photos and man, I'm sorry, I find them so boring. They're so generic. That's not to say that they're not technically well executed, and that they're not successful on some level. They certainly are. They're just so empty. I definitely understand the desire to create them though, and I appreciate the desire to be able to capture a well crafted image that is able to evoke a certain mood. There is definitely a pleasure in the level of skill and execution there. But they're still boring. I dunno! This is tricky stuff. I struggle with it all the time also. It's tricky to figure out what you want from a creative hobby, what you want to say, what your real interest is. Or at least, it is for me.
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horny oops, I meant "hairy"
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i feel what you're saying, but the twee hipster aesthetic youre talking about was Very Much In 15 years ago. hell, that exact analysis you gave also hasn't really changed in 15 years either. idk if Kids These Days are still doing the same thing, but i kinda suspect that they are, because borrowed nostalgia - or more accurately, aping nuance without really understanding it, that whole music/scene thing that is now referred to as an endless parade of "aesthetics" and "-cores" - is itself a big part of growing up and developing one's own taste and sense of style maybe i just dont like the idea of dismissing it as necessarily retrograde, idk
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it's the same ideological event happening now but with slightly different people, i felt the same way about dash snow and ryan mcginley photos 15 years ago. and yeah the analysis is definitely nothing fresh
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Thank you, now I can dismiss this photo as bad not bad and poorly processed.
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bellows lugosi posted:i think it's not even that heterosexual males have shared the taste, but that it's fundamentally rooted in a nostalgia for a perceived past. swinging on rope swings, tradwife dress, hazy sunsets, etc., it's all calling back to the past in one way or another, and for me, personally, i've started to think that idealizing that rosy version of the past (especially in a white heteronormative sense) is a privilege itself. it's the taste of people who yearn for the past where other people were oppressed, even if that's not what they're thinking of. this is interesting Megabound posted:Thank you, now I can dismiss this photo as bad not bad and poorly processed. thanks for the fuckin support man I can really tell that we have fundamentally different ideas of what good photography is that's one of my favorite photos that I have taken before I raised the blacks, there was detail on the person. the photo was not better when it had detail, and raising the blacks not only fixed that issue, but also then met my ideals and the style I promote and hope to continue promoting
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echinopsis posted:thanks for the fuckin support man What do you like about it? What does it say to you?
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echi im way worse at taking photos than you are and i hope you keep posting (non-horny) photos
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Awkward Davies posted:I went back and looked at the inspo photos and man, I'm sorry, I find them so boring. They're so generic. That's not to say that they're not technically well executed, and that they're not successful on some level. They certainly are. They're just so empty. well I do appreciate the post, but sorry my taste is underwhelming lol obviously there is a lot of subjectivity in photography, but for example, I can't stand stuff that is like "old man still working at wood factory, dirty face, wrinkly hands" stuff, it feels really contrived, and for me, creating something that just emits an aesthetic, is actually good. plus, and I've said this a lot of time, stuff that appeals to and impresses just regular old non-photography people, that's kind of the space I am in. clearly though my taste is not aligned with anyone worthwhile challenge to everyone I would be interested for people to share some "inspo" that they think is good and not boring or horny or whatever
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echinopsis posted:thanks for the fuckin support man It was dismissive of me to leave it at that so I'll explain why I don't like the photo, leaving out editorial choices. The photo tells me nothing about the subject there's no sense of place and no narrative. The subject is nothing but an object for desire, I find it reductive of the model.
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echinopsis posted:I would be interested for people to share some "inspo" that they think is good and not boring or horny or whatever here's some projects i've been thinking of lately https://garrettgrove.com/errorsofpossession - i think this is a good "straight" contemporary photography series http://www.everythingiscollective.com/projects/imaginedgeographies.html - i really like this as a way of looking at how the way we perceive the outdoors in the united states is almost entirely intentionally designed, and how that sort of visual engineering translates to how we view photographs and visual art http://www.stevefitch.com/diesels-and-dinosaurs/ - this older series of someone examining their childhood nostalgia has me thinking about how we manufacture nostalgia generationally and how that decays
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Megabound posted:What do you like about it? What does it say to you? hopefully it captures the feeling of being with a person in a bedroom with dim lighting and the hair is nice and curly, not everyone has that overall, I personally enjoy things like bold makeup, nice hair, nice outfits, anything glamourous, jewleerly, anything glittery, sequins etc. I like things traditionally considered feminine, and I enough of a simpleton to enjoy photos that have those things even if it isn't a good photo for other reasons and I really like the hair in that photo, it's desirably curly, and also in a state that isn't tidy and put up, but kind of messy, and it's a dimly lit bedroom, and messy hair in a dimly lit bedroom? what does that imply to me, it captures a feeling quite well. I was there, so I know what the feeling was, so I am not sure if it's translates through to others when they see it, but I hope it does. (and that might rely on a persons life experience etc) the silhouette effect combined with the story it's hopefully telling is why I like it. I am gutted it was slightly overexposed because it means I can't bring the brightness down how I'd like but.. I can live with it Megabound posted:It was dismissive of me to leave it at that so I'll explain why I don't like the photo, leaving out editorial choices. thankyou for giving a bit more explanation. to me however, those things aren't negative, basically.
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bellows lugosi posted:here's some projects i've been thinking of lately thankyou, I am curious and might have a bit of a dive soon
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 I cannot tell if this photo is worthwhile sharing or not on one hand, I think it's kinda boring but on the other hand, I wonder if it's a different landscape to what others are used to seeing, so perhaps from an interest point of view, it's worth sharing anyway, that's some central new zealand
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it's so gloriously smooth too here is another  is this a good photo? it's literally sparkly texture I love it although it's more of a screen saver/ dekstop kind of image. I did get it printed and put it on my wall however 
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I think about Beijing Silvermine a lot as I really enjoy the understanding of people taken from their own collected but disparate photos: https://www.beijingsilvermine.com/gallery
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echinopsis posted:
I like this the most out of everything you've posted but the edit let's it down.  The curve in the original is wild with no true whites or blacks 
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