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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Important enough to be one of the first two or three assets sent to trouble spots, not important enough to fund or replace.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

CommieGIR posted:

Gotta love it. The Gulf Stream proof of concept got cancelled iirc?

Yeah, it went nowhere. ABMS will fix everything.

What ABMS will consist of remains TBD.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
We'll just put every sensor on satellites and datalink it everywhere. That'll be fine, right?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That poor bastard. He was a commander years ago, right? He's gotta be in staff hell.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Not as a non-pilot, sadly.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
There are definitely non-rated GOs. Exceedingly few of them. Someone mentioned OALC...yeah, there are a whopping three ALCs. I suspect those three commanders make up at least 1/3 of the total maintenance officer GOs. ABMs are rated, and there has been precisely ONE to get four stars. She was an O-6 for something like 6 or 8 years. O-6 is often a parking spot for several years of experience-broadening (staffs), even for people destined for stars. It's not like a 2-year pause in the upward climb.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

AFStealth posted:

My old CC was on track for a star. Well either that or burn out magnificently. Last I saw him was as an AOC/CC. But yeah he told me he lost control of his career long ago, basically at the whim of GOs above him to pave his career. Wonder where he landed now 🤔

My boss at the CAOC is now the AFCENT commander. He and two other former bosses ended up climbing through wing commander after I left, and are all still on the move. It's crazy to see...mostly good, though.

Edit: My experience with prior-Es is the same. Some of the best and some of the worst.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I knew a couple of "here, let me just pull that ladder up out of your way" priors.

The best academy grad is the one who never lets on that he's an academy grad.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Everything between Denver and the Mississippi is hot garbage.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

antimatt posted:

Omaha is legit okay.

I'll agree with that. They had a cool bar and a candy store that sells candy cigarettes.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

antimatt posted:

It's still between Denver and the Mississippi, but I get it. Your other points are wholly valid.

As long as that cool bar wasn't The Hive then I think we're okay. Harney Street Tavern was my spot. And I'm sure that anyone who has spent time in downtown Omaha knows exactly which candy store you're talking about.

Those names don't ring a bell. I bought a growler, but I'm a couple time zones away from being able to look.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Dominoes posted:

Did anyone else's civilian jobs just get gutted? They fired most of them community-wise for us with 30-days notice.

:stare:

What community are we talking about here? I haven't heard anything like this until now, but I think my org is mostly contractor.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Let the games begin.



Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The 2011 version was about 3 weeks before Christmas.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

AFStealth posted:

Well this seems like 15 years too late

There's still Syria, Yemen, potentially others like Iraq or places in Africa...Ukraine...

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Yep. Contract was signed a while ago.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Hell yes, congrats on making it to the finish line.

I think you're probably loving insane for doing it, but it's sure as hell an accomplishment.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Until I bounced for higher pay/lower cost of living/to get out of the southwestern US earlier this year, I was a contractor in the WS. I worked with the C2ISR and every fighter squadron daily, and participated in Integration. By "participated" I mean planning, executing, and being the C2 lead for a couple of the early INT missions. We didn't see cyber or space (or MAF, most of the time) until INT, when they were roped in.

I know how the patch will alter a flyer's career trajectory. For cyber, I have no idea.

Tier 1 time is typically in the squadron. This is what everyone thinks of. Tier 2, you're usually either at a group or wing, back to the WS to get your black border patch, an AOC or similar, etc. Tier 3, think Joint Staff, an AOC staff (vs T2, where you're the ops guy), MAJCOM or NAF. AFMAN 11-415 breaks down how manning works for WOs, and gives the assignment priorities. ANG is a spin on this that I'm not too familiar with...I can only think of one guy I know who went to WS as a guardsman, and that was less than two years ago so he's been in one seat since graduation.

At every level, you're in the middle of whatever's going on. Whether officially or not, patches get the chance to weigh in on major decisions. They're usually represented on the staffs that write long-term programmatic plans (ie AWACS being replaced by Wedgetail), they're the bulk of operational planners, and they're well-represented at the decision-maker level. And they very much have their own little club, giving extra weight to opinions that come from someone wearing that patch. They write the papers (WS papers, white papers, operational assessments, etc) that drive future requirements and tactics development.

To me, there are two things that make up a good weapons officer: the ability to plan and apply their craft well, and the ability to teach. The best patches are the ones who bring knowledge back and share it with the unit; the rest of them come back and do paperwork and send emails and go TDY all the time. Teach, teach, TEACH until the flag goes up, then plan the gently caress out of our response.

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You interested in how your career field makes tangible impacts and effects on enemies? You big on AirPower? If yes, go WIC, if not, donít.

This is big, and a good way to put it. When poo poo kicks off, the patches are the ones who sit around the table and develop the courses of action to be presented uphill. I got to meet a bunch of the people who, as captains and majors, planned out what became the US military response to several big news items that were discussed in here at the time. Tier 1s and Tier 2s, called in from multiple bases, given the intel update, and told to get to work. And up until that point, teaching. If you go through the course, you will see poo poo at WIC that brings everything together in a way you never will in any other exercise. It's one of the very few truly eye-opening things I experienced in the AF. Red Flag is amateur hour.

"Humble, Approachable, and Credible"...from what I've seen they've gotten much better at this. My first few weapons officers were complete assholes. The first one remains the biggest rear end in a top hat I've known in the AF, and I've been in or on the periphery for almost 20 years. But about 10 years ago I started seeing names getting selected for WIC that made me think, "Oh poo poo, are they fixing it?" It's not perfect, but I'd say the successes outweigh the assholes, at least in the CGO/FGO flyer world.

It's not easy, but they're not there to wash you out. Figure out what the game is, and attack it. In my squadron, the big keys were to be able to brief effectively, recognize execution failures and peel the onion back to the REAL learning point (it's almost never "just a mistake/error"), brief THAT effectively, and a big one that probably got as many WUGs hooked out as anything else: the ability to take criticism and feedback, recognizing that it's an attempt to make you better, not to attack you. Don't take it personally, don't get mad.

My opinion on Weapons Officers has changed drastically from when I was a lieutenant. I've seen what they ACTUALLY do (vs the first few, who were more interested in pinning you down in offices or hallways to demonstrate their superiority), and I've seen what they can bring to a unit when they actually take their motto seriously.

Godholio fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Dec 17, 2022

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The good thing is that before you even apply, you get vetted and will to some degree shadow a weapons officer if there's one remotely local. They SHOULD prep you. In the aviation world that means you practice briefing, you practice writing, you study your rear end off. Then when you get to Nellis you can at least function, even if it's awful being a WUG.

I wanted to say they WILL prep you, but the ANG dude we had a couple years ago didn't have access to anyone. He was the first one in years. So he TDY'd to Nellis repeatedly to shadow WUGs and practice controlling and all the other things that his home station doesn't normally do.

Worth mentioning that not everyone who wants to go gets to apply.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Sacrist65 posted:

For the people who ETS'd. Do you ever regret not sticking it out, even though you would likely have been be retired by now?

My friends and peers who stuck it out are in the window for retiring. The prior-enlisted are all retired, the rest are at 18+ years.

I wonder how it would've gone (ie would I ever have gotten a good assignment) if I stayed, but I don't regret leaving for a second. Absolutely gently caress the Air Force and it's blatantly transparent lies.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Spearhead the Squadron Holiday Party and emcee a promotion/retirement/awards ceremony. You'll make SrA BTZ for sure!

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Citizenship is required for all three routes to becoming a commissioned officer: for application to the AF Academy, to sign an ROTC contract, or to apply to Officer Training School.

It should go without saying, but citizenship is also a requirement to actually commission.

Edit: Enlisting in order to commission is a bad idea, period. Yes, there are probably a half dozen officers out there who intentionally went that route and succeeded. There are far more who failed because any of a thousand things outside their control didn't work out. Got a squadron commander who doesn't like you? You're hosed. A direct supervisor who doesn't like you? You're hosed. Bad timing of a deployment, a PT-impacting injury, a change in family status...any little speed bump can send the train off the tracks, and you're still on the hook for your full enlistment term.

Godholio fucked around with this message at 23:27 on Feb 13, 2023

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
The citizenship thing is going to be the same across the services. I'm curious where his AFA packet will be rejected...he can't attend, and if he isn't already well along on the path to citizenship he won't get it between acceptance and his report date. I'm genuinely surprised he was even able to apply.

If he ends up pursuing enlistment, at least talk him into doing 4. If he digs it, he can stick with it and maybe get a signing bonus if recruiting woes continue. Those recruiting woes don't extend to officer ranks, by the way, and especially not to pilots. There IS a major pilot shortfall, but it's in the experienced ranks, people with 10+ years. The "new pilot" pipeline is full every year.

Engineering and IT stuff...he's not going to be designing systems or anything. That poo poo is all done by contractors or other businesses. But it might give him some direction on something to pursue in those fields, either in a career or education, then he can get there. As an enlisted computer guy in the AF he's probably going to be answering the phone and emails at a help desk. My building has an E-5 who will make a "house call" to your office once there's a ticket filed, if the remote people decide it's not a network problem.

It sounds like he's got stars in his eyes. Four years will probably take care of that, but hopefully it'll set him up for something better afterwards. He'll at least get the GI Bill. Or maybe it'll work out for him.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Dominoes posted:

1) Yes.

2) Pilot. The pilot will also have a flying callsign, which everyone in the formation uses. For example, Maverick might fly with the *flying* callsign "Polaroid". Then his formation with all members in it would use that. So, Rooster might say "Polaroid 69, weapon away". This callsign would be for every formation Mav leads. The plane might also have a nickname, usually assigned by maintenance. It may or may not be painted somewhere on the jet. The least important of the 3 names here.

I got called out by a guy I worked with for 4 years at my last job, whom I ran into at a work function this week. Haven't seen him in over a year, but someone at this job called me by my actual name. "Wait, did he call you (name)? You don't do callsigns out here? Also I didn't even know that was your name."

I deal with a lot of engineer types so I end up using either based on the group I'm with at a given time.

Edit: There is/was a Global Hawk named Patches. Because that fucker was COVERED in little pieces of tape covering holes or something.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I knew an AF major whose callsign was PFD, as in Personal Flotation Device(s), until she went to work for a 3-star. "I'm not saying that" and now she goes by a version of her name.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Anybody at Minot? Or privy to RUMINT about what the gently caress is going on with a bunch of firings?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
I'm assuming it's nukes until I hear otherwise.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Those two group commanders and "four subordinate leaders" so the description fits.

We lost an MXG at Nellis, after a string of Class-A mishaps, most of which were negligent at best. Like putting a wrench through an F-35's engine.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
While I think beards are a good thing, I've also noticed a distinct lack of discussion about suicides and assaults while this has been floating around.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Sacrist65 posted:

Have the rates gone up recently? I genuinely don't know.

I haven't seen anything from 2022 yet, but this report from 2021 has some "good" information.

2021 saw 519 servicemember suicides, as well as 202 dependents. The AF, Marines, and Navy were all down over previous years, the Army ticked upward.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
OCPs were authorized as an alternative to ABUs 1 Oct 2018.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
That's a low-density, very insular career field, I don't think we have any in here. I've probably only ever even met a couple of them, and only in passing during exercise mission planning.

You can try and ask here, you might be able to get something from someone.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
When I was a Lt I met a guy that made chief in 14. He looked my age.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Holy poo poo an A1C makes more than I did as a 2Lt.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Shalhavet posted:

How long ago was that? The dollar's buying power has fallen off a cliff when compared against itself just 10 years ago.

Almost 20 years :corsair:

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
If I were a combatant commander I'd be fighting that with every fiber of my being.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Rumor was 20%, so yikes.

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
Is the list out tomorrow for everyone, or for commanders?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?
There was a place called Blue Burrito that was good, but it might be because we'd been eating chow hall for 3 months. That was also 19 years ago, almost to the day.

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Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

hannibal posted:

You were a few classes after me as I recall. (I commissioned in August. Maxwell in the summer is.. not fun.). 19 years ago right now I was back in Germany for a few weeks after attending ASBC (in Nov/Dec) and then turning right around to go to comm officer training at Keesler in Jan/Feb.

We used to go to this place called El Rey Burrito Lounge, it was sort of a dive but was very chill.

I got there in September, so that checks. It was still about 85* when they shut down the air conditioning based on the calendar rather than the forecast. It was brutal, and they eventually realized they'd hosed up. But before they did, one of the other squadrons' class commanders was walking past our dorm building and spotted a pair of trainees without their PT shirts in their room doing normal poo poo like laundry or studying or whatever. It was a saturday, so no classes. He storms inside and down the hall, and we all just heard him bitch them out loudy for not being properly dressed. :rolleyes:

Fast forward a couple months and most of us were back in town for ASBC and went out to dinner with our class commander, Capt Jack, who gave us his perspective. Whenever he got to his desk next, he saw the 341s the other guy pulled. The only information on the infraction was "naked OTs." He said he just facepalmed and said "What the gently caress," before going and finding out the whole story. :lol:

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