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Koopa Kid posted:My coldest take on Klingberg is that he’s likely better than what he’s showing on the Stars right now and could be a real good pickup for a certain kind of team, but he’s a puck mover first, last and maybe only and if someone signs him to be Alex Pietrangelo they’ll regret it. I'm actually excited for someone to sign him thinking they're getting Dougie Hamilton  that'll be magical. This actually reminded me to go look up how Torey Krug has been doing since last year he was getting 50/50 zone splits and played too much as an all situations top pairing player. Oh wow his numbers rebounded when he was giving 60/40 zone splits and minutes reduced. Eric the Mauve posted:If "sign Klingberg" is the strategy for 20 different teams this summer as this thread suggests then he's going to cost like 11x8 Henrik Zetterberg posted:Come onnnnn Oilers or Flyers! Fletcher does have experience in these kinds of contracts and landing a very highly sought after UFA.......
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Koopa Kid posted:My coldest take on Klingberg is that he’s likely better than what he’s showing on the Stars right now and could be a real good pickup for a certain kind of team, but he’s a puck mover first, last and maybe only and if someone signs him to be Alex Pietrangelo they’ll regret it. The market for 40-50pt offensive defencemen is completely unpredictable. Sometimes a guy gets lucky like Cam Fowler and makes $6.5m, other times they're arbitrarily decreed dead weight and teams pay to get them off their roster like Shayne Gostisbehere. There is no middle ground. In 2019 Justin Faulk got $6.5mx7 after a 35pt season. Last summer Tyson Barrie got $4.5mx2 for a 70pt pace. It helps not to think about it too much.
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Cocaine Bear posted:He's absolutely going to bounce back to elite when he isn't tied to Lindell or being told to play smart, responsible defence by Bowness. He will probably get too much money and term but thats what players with his skillset and age get in FA. If someone can get him for a few picks at the deadline and get him to sign a not horrible contract he'll look real good for at least a few years. He's real good when given the chance. Heh I just checked his combo numbers on Evolving and I'm actually significantly less sure of this than I was before. His time with Lindell has been a disaster. In terms of expected outcomes it's not as bad and neither really help/hurt the other. Suter has been the main partner though. 60% of ice time together vs 30% between Lindell and Klingberg. What's more interesting is when looking at the forwards numbers with/without Klingberg is that pretty much everyone seems to have better numbers away from him than with him. Whether a different system/change of scenery + partner could get him closer to his '17-18 (peak) year or he's off the plateau of age and now onto the cliff descent towards Keith Yandle'dom is hard to say.
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On a side note, are Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn just cooked now? What's going on with them this year? Benn 40gp 9g 8a 17pts $9.5m through 2024/25 Seguin 40gp 12g 7a 19pts $9.85m through 2026/27 Woof.
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They might bounce back a little when Bowness is fired but mostly they're just toast. So which horrendously run team is going to make a miracle run to get crushed in the Finals this year? Does it count as a miracle run if it's the Oilers coming from an 8 seed? Maybe the Predators? Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 22:30 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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ThinkTank posted:On a side note, are Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn just cooked now? What's going on with them this year? Benn been cooked for a while and Tyler got seriously hosed up during the run a couple years ago. I could see Seguin transitioning his game and being an effective middle sixer but Benn is real bad. E: and though he's been pretty meh for the last two season, Klingberg was real loving good in the finals run. Close to a ppg IIRC. He was over shadowed by Miro who was just loving lights out but he played some real good hockey in the bubble. Cocaine Bear fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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Eric the Mauve posted:They might bounce back a little when Bowness is fired but mostly they're just toast. Whoever gets the 2nd Wild Card will play the Avs, so whichever of those gets to play in the Pacific bracket will make it through the first round and maybe the second. I’m really wanting to see a divisional final of Col v Min and whatever happens after that will be less interesting until the Finals. The East will be a blast to watch, except for the 4pm game starts for me. E: Col v Edm would be an awesome first round series too.
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ThinkTank posted:On a side note, are Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn just cooked now? You got an extra O here.
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Eric the Mauve posted:So which horrendously run team is going to make a miracle run to get crushed in the Finals this year? Does it count as a miracle run if it's the Oilers coming from an 8 seed? Maybe the Predators? Whichever team that comes out of the Pacific bracket. I'd put 'that isn't Las Vegas' but they'll choke to the miracle run team.
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On the subject of bizarre ways to spend your salary cap: https://twitter.com/PierreVLeBrun/status/1486455840618041350
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FBS posted:On the subject of bizarre ways to spend your salary cap: Carter's been great but boy howdy is this a mistake. You made a good trade fellas, just run down the contract and if someone else wants to give him 2 years then let him walk. You've bought his age 38 and 39 seasons with a not insignificant piece of your extremely slim cap space with no chance of moving him. Definitely confirms the Penguins are in permanent go-for-it mode until they totally collapse though. After they extend Malkin and Letang megapaying Jarry is next on the agenda, and then they're just about out of cap space. Gods they need to unload Matheson in the worst way. Eric the Mauve fucked around with this message at 23:19 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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FBS posted:On the subject of bizarre ways to spend your salary cap: God dammit no. Edit: ^^ You're leaving out mega-paying Rust. We both know it won't be Matheson that's moved either. It'll be Pettersson  HUGE IF - But IF Carter can maintain a decent scoring pace playing 16ish minutes a night in a do everything role from the 3rd line this is mostly fine. That is a gargantuan IF though considering his age and he definitely wouldn't have been on my list of pending UFAs to consider extending first. Have to wonder what they're thinking with ZAR. I also think Zucker's days as a Penguin are numbered. rex rabidorum vires fucked around with this message at 23:32 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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ThinkTank posted:On a side note, are Tyler Seguin and Jamie Benn just cooked now? What's going on with them this year? Yeah their brains and their feet slowed down about 50% from their prime days.. like the number of times I see the play just die on their sticks is truly remarkable. Seguin used to be one of the best skaters in the league and a guy who could stickhandle and make a pass at top speed as well.. now he struggles to create distance from backcheckers and half the time he has the puck he skates it into traffic and turns it over.. Seguin is pretty comparable to Klingberg I think.. Players that have really REALLY struggled with the pace of play at 5v5 this year, but are still very good on the powerplay... in the right circumstances they can provide some value as a specialist... and It has to be said that Klingberg can still pass the eye test of occasionally looking like a top tier point producing defenseman - he's still got the passing vision and the skating. Benn is not bringing anything to the table this year except for the rare game he gets pissy and throws his weight around. He's also said by hockey men to be an excellent leader in the locker room, for whatever that is worth. This year is noticeable in that historically even when Benn is not scoring he's always been a player that can basically carry a line... inasmuch as his lines typically have +50% of the scoring chances and shot attempts, even when he's paired with less talented players. Like my thought coming into the season was always that Benn's line would be at least reasonably competent which would go a long way with a dynamite top line.. Well the top line has been the best in the league arguably, but Benn has not held up at all - the team is getting shelled when he is on the ice, to the tune of the highest xGA/60 ratio of any regular player on the roster... It's worse than Radek Faksa's supposed checking line.. just a really bad year for him so far. I mean I predicted both of these to be awful contracts when they were signed, there was almost no way the Stars weren't going to get scammed signing these guys who were legitimate all-stars and had carried the franchise on their back for years, but were staring down their age 30+ seasons over a majority of the contract term. Again, very similar situation to Klingberg.. but the Stars seem to be (understandably) shy about getting bit again. Starsfan fucked around with this message at 23:37 on Jan 26, 2022 |
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rex rabidorum vires posted:God dammit no. I'm honestly starting to wonder if both sides are keeping it quiet for now but Malkin already told the team he intends to gently caress off to Russia this summer. They sure are acting like they have a lot more cap space than they actually do. Letang probably wants a much longer contract than his age and health call for but I cannot imagine they'd let him walk.
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Not entirely sure about signing a guy who is this old to a two year extension but he's been a good fit since coming here and he still has his legs so maybe he can give the Pens a few more good years. Finding an equivalent (but younger) player in free agency or trade would cost a lot more
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MoaM posted:Lol. Ok, but, like, 29 GMs are clearly NOT in on him, soooooo E: I follow the Oilers and all but I spend most of my work days dealing with COVID and also survivors of abuse so gently caress Evander Kane hard.
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Eric the Mauve posted:I'm honestly starting to wonder if both sides are keeping it quiet for now but Malkin already told the team he intends to gently caress off to Russia this summer. They sure are acting like they have a lot more cap space than they actually do. Possibly. I think Zucker is expendable either way and with how Kapanen has been utilized with Sullivan demoting him a few times over the last week I kind of wonder if they're weighing their options there. Despite his age and injuries and everything else there are very few players that can replace Letang in the league. What that player costs on the open market even more eye watering. Ginette Reno posted:Not entirely sure about signing a guy who is this old to a two year extension but he's been a good fit since coming here and he still has his legs so maybe he can give the Pens a few more good years. I'm hoping for a Matt Cullen special here. If they can reduce Carter's role and provide him competent enough wingers (at an efficient price) he could continue to a decent enough job. That said this is only a 500k raise (on his half LA retained) salary which slightly eats into next years rise. With this also said Riikola is basically eating up 1.15 million in cap space to not play at all. Boyle or Simon are probably gone to be replaced with Zahorna or Drew O'Conner (probably). Yes the buyout cap hit increases by 800k so that also will eat into these expirations. Have to wonder if Aston-Reese is retained/extended as well.
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DJExile posted:DELL GOT 3 GAMES LMAO That is absolutely amazing(ly inconsistent). I love it.
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rex rabidorum vires posted:Possibly. I think Zucker is expendable either way and with how Kapanen has been utilized with Sullivan demoting him a few times over the last week I kind of wonder if they're weighing their options there. Despite his age and injuries and everything else there are very few players that can replace Letang in the league. What that player costs on the open market even more eye watering. They actually seem to be in okay shape capwise. Even if Malkin and Letang re-sign at the same prices they'll have $13 million to sign Rust, Rodrigues, and the plugs. Keep who you can of the bottom-6 journeymen and dump Zucker/McGinn/Petersson if you really need the space for something POJ needs to sink or swim in the NHL anyhow so it's not the end of the world to lose an expensive LD and see what he's got
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DJExile posted:DELL GOT 3 GAMES LMAO Is this the first suspension for a goalie by the Safety Department?
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trilljester posted:Is this the first suspension for a goalie by the Safety Department? My hot take is that it's too light. I don't know that it's enough for teams to decide it's not worth running the next goalie (...probably Dell again) in that situation. Ottawa's coach: quote:Smith acknowledged that if Dell played another position, he likely would have been in line for some payback. “Any other player in the game that does that, you have to go out there and face the music,” Smith said.
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I'm not sure anyone wants Zucker short of the Pens retaining half and accepting a bag of pucks back.
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DJExile posted:DELL GOT 3 GAMES LMAO I feel like I generally dislike goalies so good. Other than MAF, Price and Luongo are there good goalies? Even though my own teams goalie is a vezina winner he's also kind of anti vax, so can't really like him. And then there's Binninington. So yeah gently caress goalies. Suspend them all
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Duck Rodgers posted:I feel like I generally dislike goalies so good. Other than MAF, Price and Luongo are there good goalies? I like James Reimer on the Sharks, but I don't know if he's a good guy. Seems like he is.
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Duck Rodgers posted:I feel like I generally dislike goalies so good. Other than MAF, Price and Luongo are there good goalies? Carter Hart.
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The goalies I liked weren’t particularly great people (Emery, Roy). But Lehner is, so maybe him. And Emery had a redemption arc at the end, far as I understand it.
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Jordan7hm posted:The goalies I liked weren’t particularly great people (Emery, Roy). hamilton harbour is not a place of honour for anyone to die in
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Holtby is a cool guy who has done some work for the LGBTQ+ crowd. He's not great right now, mind you, but he's a cool guy.
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Duck Rodgers posted:I feel like I generally dislike goalies so good. Other than MAF, Price and Luongo are there good goalies? Holtby seems like a good dude. And he has two tortoises. Jury seems out whether he's actually good again though.
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trilljester posted:I like James Reimer on the Sharks, but I don't know if he's a good guy. Seems like he is. Reimer is definitely a good guy. He's a very devout Christian but the Jesus' teachings kind, not the dogmatic kind.
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Call Your Grandma posted:Reimer is definitely a good guy. He's a very devout Christian but the Jesus' teachings kind, not the dogmatic kind. And he's having himself a decent season too. He's been pretty humble in post-game interviews and what not. Just gives off that good guy vibe.
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Duck Rodgers posted:I feel like I generally dislike goalies so good. Other than MAF, Price and Luongo are there good goalies? Say what you will about Osgood the player but he seems to be a good dude oh god someone is going to reveal hes a huge trump chud or something arent they
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Duck Rodgers posted:I feel like I generally dislike goalies so good. Other than MAF, Price and Luongo are there good goalies? Elvis seems to have a fun personality and to be a good guy and I'm also not aware of any bad opinions he has publicly shared, so I'm going to roll with it. e- Speaking of: https://twitter.com/markscheig/status/1486527145954402306 Not only has Brad Larsen completely lost control of his team, but his 12-6-0 start a) led to a blue-balling for the fans and b) significantly hurt his team's chances at a top 5 pick. 
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The final total was 62 Flames shots
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Watching the Capitals is painful lately. It does remind me of that slump before they won a cup though…
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Jehde posted:Eddie Lack always seemed cool. thanks
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