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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Heartache is powerful, but democracy is *subtle*.
Have we talked about this terrifyingly self-aware and unironic recruitment ad that the US Army's PsyOp branch put out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw&t=214s

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Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
I'd certainly hope that, if any branch, PsyOp would actually be capable of putting out a halfway-decent ad.

The real question, though, is did they come up with that in-house?

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

psydude posted:

Have we talked about this terrifyingly self-aware and unironic recruitment ad that the US Army's PsyOp branch put out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VA4e0NqyYMw&t=214s

That... That is not like a normal recruitment video.

I would be VERY curious to learn about how this was made. It feels like that they are targeting some very specific people, yet actively driving other types away. I wonder how much targeting/profile data was used to make this add. Also interested in how much/what was in house and what came from a really good ad agency.

Retrowave Joe
Jul 20, 2001

A guy over on Reddit put together a slick proposal to update the Army logo. I’m a sucker for clean graphic design and this thing is really thought out. It’s got the SMA PAO’s attention so we’ll see what happens.





Retrowave Joe fucked around with this message at 17:06 on May 17, 2022

PeterCat
Apr 8, 2020

Believe women.

Is the Louisiana National Guard the worst in the country?

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...fMh_CrHQhZnFQgM

Army Times posted:

The junior soldier told Crosby the day before the assault that she did not want a promotion ceremony.

But during work the following day, according to a prosecution motion, Crosby “approached [the junior soldier], told her to stand up, placed the rank in front of her chest, leaned in the grab the rank with his teeth...then placed his face between [the junior soldier]’s breasts...[and] vigorously moved his head from side to side between [her] breasts while still holding the rank with his teeth.”

...

A Louisiana Guard cavalry troop operating in south Texas was temporarily disbanded after widespread issues with sexual harassment, discipline and command climate. The state returned its troops from the border mission a month ahead of schedule after two soldiers died in alcohol-related incidents, though a state spokesperson said the move was unrelated to the problems the units had faced.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
what the gently caress

Internet Wizard
Aug 9, 2009

BANDAIDS DON'T FIX BULLET HOLES

The article also mentions that he said he was going to do that the day before, in front of witnesses.

And even with his declared intent and execution, he was allowed to retire with benefits and a plea deal that scrubbed the sexual assault from his charges

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

We're wearing masks again.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:

spacetoaster posted:

We're wearing masks again.

The whole army, or just your post?

I live near an Air Force base and use their Commissary and Hospital. We still have to wear masks at the hospital.

Scuffy_1989
Jul 3, 2022

MightyJoe36 posted:

The whole army, or just your post?

I live near an Air Force base and use their Commissary and Hospital. We still have to wear masks at the hospital.

The Marine base I live next to is no mask outside of the hospital.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

MightyJoe36 posted:

The whole army, or just your post?

I live near an Air Force base and use their Commissary and Hospital. We still have to wear masks at the hospital.

Not sure yet. It's two installations that I'm aware of right now.

I called a friend and she says their post is about to start wearing them again too.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
When the last post unmasked, there was the option to keep masking. I stayed masked, and a handful of people seemed genuinely confused that I said I'd rather mask now than wait until the next outbreak and to not put on a mask until it was ordered.

And notably, in places like hospitals or even the mental health clinic and any other office where even admin medical professionals worked, the requirement never went away anyway...

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

mlmp08 posted:

When the last post unmasked, there was the option to keep masking. I stayed masked, and a handful of people seemed genuinely confused that I said I'd rather mask now than wait until the next outbreak and to not put on a mask until it was ordered.

And notably, in places like hospitals or even the mental health clinic and any other office where even admin medical professionals worked, the requirement never went away anyway...

I'm traveling to a few places next week, so I'll probably see what everyone else is doing.

I was in South America a little while ago and all the GO's were making everyone continue to mask up.

Wrong Theory
Aug 27, 2005

Satellite from days of old, lead me to your access code
Was on TDY all week to Benning and came back to Picatinny today and haven't heard anything about a new mask mandate. :shrug:

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Wrong Theory posted:

Was on TDY all week to Benning and came back to Picatinny today and haven't heard anything about a new mask mandate. :shrug:

You're stationed at Picatinny? It seems like it'd be a pretty good duty station, if you can get it.

Jimmy Smuts
Aug 8, 2000

PeterCat posted:

Is the Louisiana National Guard the worst in the country?

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...fMh_CrHQhZnFQgM
Jesus, wtf

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
So, Air Force Base I live near just went to masks all the time.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

MightyJoe36 posted:

So, Air Force Base I live near just went to masks all the time.

My non-DOD governmental facility just went mask on, too. I want to wish every anti-vaxer a very Watch Your Grandmother Drown on the Fluid in Her Lungs.

MightyJoe36
Dec 29, 2013

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
I work for a defense contractor and we have not gone back to masks yet. I work remote so it doesn't matter.

CabooseRvB
Aug 12, 2022

I miss Sheila :c

PeterCat posted:

Is the Louisiana National Guard the worst in the country?

https://www.armytimes.com/news/your...fMh_CrHQhZnFQgM

I feel like the National Guard is developing a history of high profile corruption among its ranks.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/11/25/national-guard-scandals-by-state/6093566001/

Active Duty forces don't have it any better by far, but when the US Navy started to reel back its original process of publicly announcing the relief of any commander in their branch, that's saying something.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Hello army thread. Quick book research. Would anyone ever refer to someone by their pay grade? Maybe as a put-down? Like if you wanted to remind a petty officer that you (a master sergeant) outrank him, would you possibly call him 'E6'? Or is this nonsense and you would just call him by his rank or name.

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

General Battuta posted:

Hello army thread. Quick book research. Would anyone ever refer to someone by their pay grade? Maybe as a put-down? Like if you wanted to remind a petty officer that you (a master sergeant) outrank him, would you possibly call him 'E6'? Or is this nonsense and you would just call him by his rank or name.

It's a really specific put down. You could use it to refer to a higher ranking person but not where they could hear it. Face to face it's a pretty direct insult that can carry the implication that they're merely filling a slot rather than performing a leadership role if you're talking about or to an NCO or a commissioned officer.

If you're referring to lower enlisted, then it'll almost always be about the clique-ish E4s, which is the point where you know enough about how the Army works to game the system, but also know what the limits are, and don't have any real leadership responsibilities that you have to be responsible for.

Icon Of Sin
Dec 26, 2008



“e4 mafia” is the only time you’ll ever hear it where it’s not specifically derisive, I think. Although some people like to use that as a cudgel against e4s they think are lazy, they also do this at their own peril :v:

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
I'll just give the context from my stupid book (on store shelves next autumn wow!!!!) and you can tell me if it lands the way it's supposed to, which is to say 'don't forget I outrank you, DEVGRU dude.'

Bolded the exact line so you don't have to read all my loving :words: if you don't want to

quote:

He grabs the first military guy he sees outside—because he figures Erik would’ve left someone loyal to watch him—and says “I need to brief the unit. President’s authority.”

The guy’s name flash reads GARCIA. He’s a fellow chicano and, correctly in Clayton’s estimation, doesn’t give a gently caress about their racial solidarity. “You’re not the President, Mister Hunt. You’re a White House staff member. If you want to give orders here, you better issue a policy directive to Admiral McRaven at the Pentagon. Please follow me to your billet. Major Wygaunt wants you under observation.”

“No.” He’s not going to get loving arrested. He is going to fix this. “You’ve been seconded to Task Force MAJESTIC by USSOCOM, Admiral McRaven commanding. I am a representative of the President, who is supreme commander of the United States military, including McRaven, including you. Constitution of the United States of America, Article II, Section 2, Clause 1. The President dropped the bomb on Japan by direct order. The President dropped the bomb here too. It was my order, but it was on his authority.”

“That’s fine, sir. But I have orders to escort you to a CHU for observation.”

A CHU is a containerized housing unit and Clayton really does not want to be containerized, housed, or, for that matter, united. He wants to get into Blackbird. “Do you need me to walk you through the legalities? Fine. In 1863 Chief Justice Grier established that if war is initiated by a foreign nation, which I presume includes motherfucking aliens, the President is bound to to accept the challenge without waiting for legislative authority. In wartime the President has the power to take any measure which will avert a disaster that could lead to the defeat of the nation, and there I paraphrase FDR as quoted to me by the President.” That’s a lie, but what the hell. “That includes making me his god drat proxy in the field. That includes making me a god drat five star general if he wants to. He didn’t, but only because he didn’t think it’d be necessary. He can do anything he wants, and because of that I can do anything I want, right up to ordering you arrested for failure to obey a lawful general order or regulation, namely listening to me. Do you understand?”

“Sure,” Garcia says. “You can take it up with the Major. Please follow me to your billet.”

“I will call the loving president on the phone.”

“SATCOM is out, sir.”

“Not my SATCOM,” Clayton bluffs. “I’m wired into the aliens. Do you want me to raise President Obama to speak to you directly? While he’s managing the greatest crisis in the history of our planet, bar none?”

Garcia looks back at him, narrow-eyed: are you bullshitting me? “You have comms?”

“Hey,” someone behind Garcia says. “What disaster leading to the defeat of the nation?”

CIASAD operator Skyler Nashbrook unpeels himself from whatever zone of denied knowledge he was lurking in (behind the container dorm, Clayton supposes). “gently caress,” Garcia mutters. Clayton knows for a fact that Garcia has worked with SAD dudes before, during Delta Force’s opeations arround Baghdad. “Nashbrook? We’re taking Mr. Hunt into protection. Major’s orders.”

“Why?” says another guy. Mike Jan, the DEVGRU hotshot, who must’ve been loitering around waiting to see what happened. “It sounds like Mister Hunt’s in charge, Master Sergeant.”

“Major Wygaunt’s in command, E6 Jan.”

“Major Wygaunt grabbed twenty dudes at random and hosed off east with the Kurds,” Nashbrook says. “He’s no longer in the picture. And if the Deputy National Security Advisor has orders from the President to avert something big, I think we better listen. What disaster leading to the defeat of the nation, Mr. Hunt?”

The three MAJESTIC operators ring up around Clayton like gunfighters looking to draw. Four-horned night vision goggles and plated body armor and weapons that imply, in all their Piccatiny-railed modularity, a post-industrial approach to warfare. These are not the helmeted GIs of old war movies, citizen-soldiers who’ll go home to marry their girls in South Dakota once the Nazis are whipped. These are artisanal, professional killers, as customized and specific as the legal briefs Clayton wrote to justify Obama’s assassinations.

The reason this quote is so loving long is that I'm curious about what you, army NCO guy, would do if the Deputy National Security Advisor started giving you direct orders. He works for the President, but he's not a member of the Cabinet and has no military rank, so the consensus among people I've asked is "I would obey my CO's orders and tell the Deputy National Security Advisor to take it up with my CO".

I left the last paragraph in cause I think it's cool

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
No one would ever use it like "E6 lastname". Personally, if you have to remind someone that you outrank them, you aren't really in charge and come across as weak and ineffective.

It's generally not used to directly insult an individual, more like a "E9 is the most useless rank in the Army" or "nothing more dangerous than an O4 with a good idea" kind of thing.

The military has a chain of command and most troops are unlikely to disregard their commanders orders unless it's coming from somewhere even higher up their direct chain of command. Even then there's an expectation that things work their way through the chain of command first.

Google something like "US Army command board". Every company level unit and above has one of these that goes straight up from their unit up to the President. Everyone knows exactly who's in their chain command all the way to the top.

bulletsponge13
Apr 28, 2010

In that situation, it would be an inflection on the rank or title- the I sult would be the delivery, not the words. Someone in that type of situation would know exactly the left and right limits, and know that how the listener perceives the respect in the tone is arbitrary and individual.

I was super fond of rolling my eyes and being super sarcastic when dealing with NCOs who irritated me. I can't get punished for involuntary eye spasms or the fact he was having a bad day- I followed all the rules and etiquette required. But homedude still knows he's a jerk off. Or be overly cheerful, but utterly useless. That's fun. So is ignoring rank.
"Do you see my rank?"
"Yup!"
"Is that how you address an officer!?"
"It is today"

Not telling you how to gently caress your goat- I'm hear to hold the ears- but I would maybe italics the rank, and add a short bit about the way it was delivered.

zharmad
Feb 9, 2010

As far as a realistic exchange, you'd just exclude the rank/grade entirely.

“Major Wygaunt’s in command, E6 Jan.”
"Major Wygaunt's in command, Jan."

or if you want to really be more realistic:

"The Major is in command, dumb gently caress."

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.
Now that's what I've been looking for!

bird food bathtub
Aug 9, 2003

College Slice

General Battuta posted:

I'll just give the context from my stupid book (on store shelves next autumn wow!!!!) and you can tell me if it lands the way it's supposed to, which is to say 'don't forget I outrank you, DEVGRU dude.'

Bolded the exact line so you don't have to read all my loving :words: if you don't want to

The reason this quote is so loving long is that I'm curious about what you, army NCO guy, would do if the Deputy National Security Advisor started giving you direct orders. He works for the President, but he's not a member of the Cabinet and has no military rank, so the consensus among people I've asked is "I would obey my CO's orders and tell the Deputy National Security Advisor to take it up with my CO".

I left the last paragraph in cause I think it's cool
"I am a representative of the President, who is supreme commander of the United States military,"
I would change "supreme commander" to "commander-in-chief". The latter is the one that is used, the former kinda sounds like someone from Best Korea is in the ranks.

containerized, housed, or, for that matter, united
This one actually made me chuckle, though I had to get past my initial reading of the word "united", as in pieces coming together as one. I'd change that to unit-ed or something if that's what you were going for.

And for the exchange in question the phrase "E6" has connotations more of pay scale and organizational charts than an individual. To subtly-yet-bluntly point out ranks in individuals I've generally heard the person's rank title used, in this case saying "Major Wygaunt’s in command, Staff Sergeant Jan.", when delivered in the correct tone, has the implications you're looking for as the two different ranks are just words apart. Maybe italicize it like "Major Wygaunt’s in command, Staff Sergeant Jan." Anyone with time in the services will hear the exact tone being used and know the social implications.

Carteret
Nov 10, 2012


Dropping the rank altogether when speaking to a subordinate above Specialist in the Army is a solid way to wave your dick around. It feels like "I don't even respect that you earned your rank"

A.o.D.
Jan 15, 2006

The Suffering of the Succotash.

Carteret posted:

Dropping the rank altogether when speaking to a subordinate above Specialist in the Army is a solid way to wave your dick around. It feels like "I don't even respect that you earned your rank"

That depends very heavily on context. It's not uncommon for people of different ranks to be a bit more casual when working together privately in an office environment, especially if they have an off duty social relationship. I've found that officers can quite often be very collegiate and are sometimes even on first name basis in the workplace.

General Battuta
Feb 7, 2011

This is how you communicate with a fellow intelligence: you hurt it, you keep on hurting it, until you can distinguish the posts from the screams.

Mustang posted:

Google something like "US Army command board". Every company level unit and above has one of these that goes straight up from their unit up to the President. Everyone knows exactly who's in their chain command all the way to the top.

How does this read to you? Frankly more detail than the reader probably needs, but...

quote:

“No.” He’s not going to get loving arrested. He is going to fix this. “Maybe you’re unclear on your unit’s chain of command. I get that, with how fast things have been moving. Let me clear it up.”

“I know my command board, sir.”

“Do you?

“Yes, sir. I’ve been seconded to Task Force MAJESTIC by USSOCOM, Admiral McRaven commanding. I report directly to my team commander, Major Wygaunt, who reports to LTG Votel at JSOC, who reports to Admiral McRaven USSOCOM, who reports to Secretary of Defense Hagel.”

Did I miss any necessary steps in there? Is that implausibly few links in the chain?

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”

General Battuta posted:

How does this read to you? Frankly more detail than the reader probably needs, but...

Did I miss any necessary steps in there? Is that implausibly few links in the chain?

Only thing I would change is "command board" for "chain of command" instead. The command board is a literal physical object everyone knows about but is rarely ever directly referred to itself.

You don't necessarily need to spell out exactly what that chain of command is, maybe just refer to things needing to be worked through the chain of command first. Like "I report directly to MAJ Wygaunt, you're going to need to work things out with him first."

FAT BATMAN
Dec 12, 2009

Hey y’all, long time lurker here, I asked this in the active resources thread but didn’t get a response, so wanted to try here:

I’m a civilian but I have a good friend who was in the army and, in their words, “fell for the trap while ETSing about joining the military reserve” and has been in the reserves for a while now.
They wanted me to ask y’all, “since I fulfilled my initial contract, what all does an IRR packet entail?”

To clarify their question: how does one go about putting together and submitting an IRR packet to get out of the army reserves?

Feel free to PM me for details, or if there’s a discord where I could ask around, that’d be cool too.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

FAT BATMAN posted:

Hey y’all, long time lurker here, I asked this in the active resources thread but didn’t get a response, so wanted to try here:

I’m a civilian but I have a good friend who was in the army and, in their words, “fell for the trap while ETSing about joining the military reserve” and has been in the reserves for a while now.
They wanted me to ask y’all, “since I fulfilled my initial contract, what all does an IRR packet entail?”

To clarify their question: how does one go about putting together and submitting an IRR packet to get out of the army reserves?

Feel free to PM me for details, or if there’s a discord where I could ask around, that’d be cool too.

I had to use your search history to find out when you asked, November for those wondering.

You were answered, just not in the way you expected.

bird food bathtub posted:

I just totally deuce'd the gently caress out when I was done with active duty so I still had IRR time, meaning this is not first hand experience but foggy memories of paperwork from years ago. I'm preeeettttyy sure if you do reserve time after active duty that satisfies your IRR requirement. If they've done active duty, then reserve, and I'm not stupider than usual, they should be totally done.

Godholio posted:

You're on the hook to attend musters, IF any occur. In my three years of IRR, I sat through one. They were trying to entice aircraft maintainers (which I'm not) to come back as reservists. Just keep the address updated for that purpose, show up if necessary, roll eyes throughout the presentation, and leave.

In exchange for that, you get full base privileges...Class Six, commissary, PX, etc. Get that ID card.

Edit: In theory, the IRR could be mobilized, but since we've finally wrapped up Iraq/Afghanistan, I don't think that's particularly likely barring a major loving twist.

To elaborate on this, your friends unit will take care of this while they outprocess at the end of his contract. If your friend joined and then signed a contract with the reserves/guard, they are stuck for the entirety of that contract (barring getting kicked out for whatever reason, don't do this). If your friend did NOT sign a contract, the above quotes apply. Your friend can't drop some paperwork that amounts to a two week notice if that is what the idea is.

Without more, specific, information none of us can help you. Right now, you are essentially playing the "telephone" game trying to relay an equation to us without any of the mathematical symbols, just numbers.

FAT BATMAN
Dec 12, 2009

Ah, thanks for the context. I was confused why the responses seemed to be more about what IRR is vs what the process is; I get the issue now. I’ll cut it out with the telephone stuff, or get more info.

ASAPI
Apr 20, 2007
I invented the line.

FAT BATMAN posted:

Ah, thanks for the context. I was confused why the responses seemed to be more about what IRR is vs what the process is; I get the issue now. I’ll cut it out with the telephone stuff, or get more info.

It all boils down to what is in his contract. It isn't hard to read/understand. He is either in the reserves (gets out when contact ends) or he is "out" and in the IRR (sham away unless WW3 happens).

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

I'll never forget on one of my deployments we got an IRR captain for a very specialized office job.

You have never met a more angry person in your life. For an entire year he did the bare minimum and just deuced out of everything else. Never even made friends. Just went from his chu to the office, then back to the chu.

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Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it
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